Helpful?

The reason for the drop if helpfulness is because the base mentality of the player base has shifted from "have fun" to "get the shiniest, most 1337 gears, the fastest". Now, there are plenty of helpful ppl out there, its just that they are in the minority these days. As for the BH thing, most ppl either dont bother with BH29, or like you said, they get a high lvl friend/alt to run it for them.

There's a great deal of greed in the community these days and it's been brought about by the following reasons:

- Many of the older players (who are generally from a more helpful generation and had to exist back in the days of you simply wouldn't get it done if you didn't both get help, and help in return) have quit because of the state of the game and it's community

- The few helpful players who do remain don't really enjoy helping. There are far too many new players who beg and cry and sometimes even just ask politely for help but then never give a word of thanks afterwards. I know some new players who will in fact not only ask or demand for help but will then give you grief while you help them. This makes the helpful people rather reluctant to help.

- New players who reckon they're in the age of "do it all." Far too many players these days, particularly the new ones who have hyper'd or oracle'd, believe they can just about solo everything themselves. They tend to waste a lot of pots and/or event food, tick charms into oblivion twice over and have a horribly snobbish attitude that makes you want to punt a puppy.

I guess, between these three things, the helpful side of our community has fast gone downhill. I'd say fret not, there are people out there that will help you and they do still exist, but where these people are I'm not quite sure and waiting around at the boss and asking groups that pass by to help is no longer a safe way to assure you'll get the help you need.

Sorry to hear of the assery you've been putting up with.

Considering how I always help people that ask me even if I have to kill the boss all over again, it's sad to hear things like this. I know how you feel because I have other lower lvl chars and I can NEVER find help so I end up trying to solo bosses ( mostly with my cleric ). And when I do that I usually get KS-ed by some *******s. Oh well, I'd be glad to help you if you ever need help with a boss, just message me ingame.

I blame BHs for that...

Before BHs, players mostly needed help with bosses and instances, maybe some elite mobs. And that's it. So ignoring those who begged for items, money, help with simple quests, those requests were rather rare. So helping others was a nice change for boring grinding, questing. I still remember how happy I was that some guildie needed a boss to kill or fb to do.
But then BH came... Many people started to ask for a help daily! So helpful people could end doing other people BHs for whole day, without spending time for their own things. I think that killed people will to help a lot...

+ Airyll's reasons

I offer my help as well. My computer's in the shop so I don't have access to the game atm, but I'm always up to help someone out.

Sanctuary is the oldest server, there are a lot of people who have been here from the beginning and don't give a flying **** about noobs (no offense). But there are a lot of friendly people as well. I be one of them and I'd be happy to hook you up with others as well.b:pleased

One reason I can think of, involving my 2nd barb alt I'm leveling up as a buffer for my BM and TT assister.

I decided against running the Goshiki chain with my main, and went instead just off of barb only with only barb buffs to ensure I was able to do it. Veno offered to help on the lvl 100 worms, but it wasn't too difficult and killed them solo. Using items gained from earlier quests: the 100 health pots from crate, the charm given by Goshiki chain, and rejuvs from the Treasure quests; I then went to do the solo traitor quest. My armor was only rank, and some pieces had lagged behind. Could have used Life Powder, but felt lazy.

I start attacking it, and a BM and archer who were doing nothing there started sending constant PMs and invites so they could get in on the boss too. If I was on my main, I'd usually squad em. But the thing is, my barb was fisting the traitor. So the BM actually had more defense than I did, as well as more damage potential. So immediately it popped into mind there was one of two things: they are lazy and don't feel like doing anything remotely difficult, or they are really bad at playing and having people do everything for them is obviously not working in teaching them anything.

So I used up free heals that were going to be obsolete soon anyways to make a generally easy boss a little more challenging for fun. The fact it was listed as a solo quest helped add to not inviting them initially, but just the sheer laziness those two displayed made me not feel like letting them get something for free, and contribute to continued incompetence. Because they should have had a much easier time doing it than my alt. There's just something very wrong with that, and so I ignored them.

EDIT: To summarize, the two leechers had many different ways they could have easily beaten it, but went with the "let someone else pay repairs" instead, even with them having a better tank. I don't reward that kind of thing.

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Nope. HT/LC are.

Mai badb:embarrass

I'd help too but I can't solo all three (can do Luminoc though) and this comp doesn't have PW. That kind of behavior you described isn't that uncommon on Sanct but usually you get at least someone to help you.

Those people who always call their "high lvl friends" for help with BHs will at some point find their "friends" unable to help them. Now, people calling those helpers "friends" yet only remembering their existance when they need help or feel like bragging about their friend list (Met a lot of "Hey i gotz lvl90+ friends!"-people around); I just wouldn't call that friendship...

For me its a lot more fun to run a BH with people on the lvl range for that BH. Teaches you to play your class, its strenght and weakness, your squad mates strenght and weakness, and how you or them can compensate for what each other is missing.

People should think again if they're playing to watch someone else do all for them while they just pick up the drops, or if they are playing to have some fun and get some things done on their own effort, or shared effort with people who have a goal (quest) in common with them.

Edit: I still find perfectly normal to ask higher lvl people for help when you can't find anyone your lvl to help (or who can actually help you get it done), or when you're short of time.

ZAPATON - Sanctuary wrote: »

Those people who always call their "high lvl friends" for help with BHs will at some point find their "friends" unable to help them. Now, people calling those helpers "friends" yet only remembering their existance when they need help or feel like bragging about their friend list (Met a lot of "Hey i gotz lvl90+ friends!"-people around); I just wouldn't call that friendship...

For me its a lot more fun to run a BH with people on the lvl range for that BH. Teaches you to play your class, its strenght and weakness, your squad mates strenght and weakness, and how you or them can compensate for what each other is missing.

People should think again if they're playing to watch someone else do all for them while they just pick up the drops, or if they are playing to have some fun and get some things done on their own effort, or shared effort with people who have a goal (quest) in common with them.

Edit: I still find perfectly normal to ask higher lvl people for help when you can't find anyone your lvl to help (or who can actually help you get it done), or when you're short of time.

+1
Makes me feel useless when 90+ toons are running an instance for me.

_Roflcopterz - Sanctuary wrote: »

Thanks for all the generous offers and feel free to poke once I'm higher if anyone ever needs a tank :P

I wanna poke teh fuzzie...

I haven't hypered yet. Going to do so soon, but only to get to 80.

Will gladly help. PM AbbyDabby or Abby/Normal I've tried whispering you in game but you never seem to be on when I am