HP Help.

Narore - Lost City
Narore - Lost City Posts: 101 Arc User
edited September 2010 in Wizard
Ok so, people keep telling me i have wayyyy too low HP for my level. I have 2086 HP, and 8435 MP, and I'm socketed with Pdef gems.
Is it fine how it is? Or what would you suggest to better it without compromising my attack power and Pdef?
I have 5 Vit, 49 Str 381 Mag, and 5 Dex without equips.
Thanks inadvance ^_^
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  • /Groovy/ - Harshlands
    /Groovy/ - Harshlands Posts: 688 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    You should shard half of gear with pdef shards and half with citrine shards. g7 ones are cheap and good. At 8x your armor should be refined to +2/+3 MINIMUM
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Im not a big fan of investing in lowbie gear, mainly bc I dont use it very long. My cleric only used its 8x gear for 8 days, basically till I got into my 9x gear, so u may want to just tough it out. On the other hand, investing in slightly better gear may mean u dont die as much and get into parties easier. I personally think you should have at least 3k hp at your lvl, but it comes down to personal preference. Should u decide to go for some extra hp, you could find gear with better stats, refine your gear, add some vit (like 50), or switch out some shards (keep in mind that pdef is useless if you have no hp).

    edit: also keep in mind that any investment you make into your gear now can be somewhat returned when you sell your gear later (assuming it is unbound)
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  • Roin - Harshlands
    Roin - Harshlands Posts: 155 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Thats very low in b:surrender the 80's i had around 3500hp/pdef (was pure a pure back then) with my pro 7x robes only +2 xD they had alot of phys and hp adds on them i dont think you will get lucky and find gear like that anymore thow and lvling is so easy now that they wont last as long but unless you can afford to buy your hh 90 it might take you some time to farm it so i would spend a few mirages on it and get some hp shards or atleast look for 3* robes that will last till 90b:surrender
  • Abysm - Heavens Tear
    Abysm - Heavens Tear Posts: 231 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    As a wizard you're not gonna get hit that often in squad mode and since you're socketed for pdef you shouldn't get hit that hard if you do actually get hit so low HP isn't always bad. You could have something like 10k pdef (not probable but possible) so your high defense makes up for it. You should know your own survivability limits so if you think you die easily then try refining your gear a bit more or investing in new gear altogether. I myself had about 4k hp @ 80 but that was a year ago when I was still LA with nice refines on tt80 gold gear.
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Narore, 2k HP @ 85 be fine.
    Me finished RB gamma routinely with about 2k HP.
    b:chuckle
    ......
    wait me had 2286 hp....your HP be too low, you be screwed. D:
    Just kidding.
    xD
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Abysm - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    As a wizard you're not gonna get hit that often in squad mode and since you're socketed for pdef you shouldn't get hit that hard if you do actually get hit so low HP isn't always bad. You could have something like 10k pdef (not probable but possible) so your high defense makes up for it. You should know your own survivability limits so if you think you die easily then try refining your gear a bit more or investing in new gear altogether. I myself had about 4k hp @ 80 but that was a year ago when I was still LA with nice refines on tt80 gold gear.

    You cant really make up for low hp with craptons of pdef. At a certain point (b4 u might expect) you will have better physical (and magic for that matter) survivability by adding hp than pdef. Even if you haven't reached that point, the extra survivability vs magic should be at least considered. 2k hp is a one shot to ANYTHING, I'd be focusing on hp b4 resists in this case.. but thats just me.
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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    Narore, 2k HP @ 85 be fine.
    Me finished RB gamma routinely with about 2k HP.
    b:chuckle
    ......
    wait me had 2286 hp....your HP be too low, you be screwed. D:
    Just kidding.
    xD

    I know I had about 2k hp to in my gamma days.
    So yea, long as your not ganna leeerooy stuf it should be fine, or atleast more than fine PvE wise.
    I'm not sure about pvp though.
    Also like everyone else, i'd suggest you shard atleast some citrines (flawless is more than enough, cheap, and good).
    Also look for some nice +hp capes and rings
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I know I had about 2k hp to in my gamma days.
    So yea, long as your not ganna leeerooy stuf it should be fine, or atleast more than fine PvE wise.
    I'm not sure about pvp though. You be screwed.
    Also like everyone else, i'd suggest you shard atleast some citrines (flawless is more than enough, cheap, and good).
    Also look for some nice +hp capes and rings

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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    b:bye

    b:chuckle
    The master has spoken. Though, would that 1k hp extra really save 8x wizzys?
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    b:chuckle
    The master has spoken. Though, would that 1k hp extra really save 8x wizzys?

    an extra 50% hp? sure wouldnt hurt lol
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    an extra 50% hp? sure wouldnt hurt lol

    ^(o.o)' Yeaa....50% be a pretty nice increase.
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  • Narore - Lost City
    Narore - Lost City Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Wow thanks for all the replies. I might wait til my 9x gear then shard it half and half with garnets and citrines then. Right now i have full HH80 gear +2 with 3 flawness garnets in each. I can get 4.8k pdef fully buffed, and about 2.8 hp with barb buffs ><.
    I am interested in PVP but I'm not good enough yet against most classes to do it alot, clerics and other mages are easy enough, occasionally archers.
    Only barbs my level seem to be able to one shot me so far.><

    And is putting statting 50 Vit worth it? won't it gimp my magic too much?
  • Loltank - Harshlands
    Loltank - Harshlands Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    50 vit is golden if your armor isn't uber. It doesn't hurt your magic that bad.
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  • Tainaker - Harshlands
    Tainaker - Harshlands Posts: 302 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Loltank - Harshlands wrote: »
    50 vit is golden if your armor isn't uber. It doesn't hurt your magic that bad.

    it doesnt, i was checking my dmg vs an arcane wizzie w/o the jone's blessing, same weapon (mine is +2 but thats like nothing really and i always have my blessing on) and it was about the same...so going 50vit would be the same thing..
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    back when I was deciding what to do with my stats, i calculated that 50 vit would lower my matk by about 600, which translates to an extra 600 base dmg extra b4 reductions. In pvp, there is an automatic 75% nerf to damage, and when adding in resists.. that 50 vit translates to an extra 500+ hp (if you have sky demons pearl or are buffed etc) vs 50-100 pvp damage per hit. Magic points are essentially a multiplier to base magic atk, and really doesnt become a big factor in damage until end game with an awesome wep. Earlier, you get a majority of your damage from the static value of the skill and the weapon multiplier, so 50vit wont nerf ur dmg much unless you've got like a +10 wep
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  • Narore - Lost City
    Narore - Lost City Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Hmm, is it 50 base Vit ofr 50 Vit with equips? I just bought a +2 Sensoid, that gives me a bit extra hp and pdef, and a Tale of Red Lotus tome. Which has given me an extra 400 hp all together lol. ><
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Narore - Lost City wrote: »
    Hmm, is it 50 base Vit ofr 50 Vit with equips? I just bought a +2 Sensoid, that gives me a bit extra hp and pdef, and a Tale of Red Lotus tome. Which has given me an extra 400 hp all together lol. ><

    50 base, and last time I checked sensoid only gives hp
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  • DDEShare - Raging Tide
    DDEShare - Raging Tide Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    50 base, and last time I checked sensoid only gives hp

    Sensoid Emptiness gives 205 HP and 14-15 vit. Green Sensoid gives 105 HP and 10-11 vit.

    @OP, I used a combination of Citrines and Garnets, at Lv73 I have 2215 HP, with 11 base vit (don't ask...), so you may be a bit on the low side. Too many Garnets IMHO.
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  • Narore - Lost City
    Narore - Lost City Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    50 base, and last time I checked sensoid only gives hp


    Well it gives extra Vit, so in turn that would give you more Pdef. Right? lol
  • Aquagirl - Raging Tide
    Aquagirl - Raging Tide Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    vit points give both pdef and mdef. Not sure about the second though...but I'm damn sure about pdef.
    50 vit is fine up until endgame when you get the HP from high refines and your weapon is at +10 - to benefit that to max you better use that 5x magic multiplier.
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Aquagirl - Raging Tide wrote: »
    vit points give both pdef and mdef. Not sure about the second though...but I'm damn sure about pdef.
    50 vit is fine up until endgame when you get the HP from high refines and your weapon is at +10 - to benefit that to max you better use that 5x magic multiplier.

    Even at end game b4 the ridiculous refines vit is still an option. I still have my 50 vit, and will until I can reach 6k unbuffed hp as pure. I cant tell you how many times guanaco has perditioned me in TW and left me with under 50 hp (ofc charm ticks, but if I was pure I'd be dead). Anyway, depending on your regular opponents should decide the minimum hp you need, if you are consistantly a one shot you are close to useless, so taking a tiny gimp to dmg to survive a hit makes alot of sense.
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