Anyone else noticed dropping items as white became more often?

Okeano - Harshlands
Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
edited September 2010 in General Discussion
It happened to me at least 3 times in the past week and it's like never happened before in the last year and half. I've also been seeing a lot of white names dropping when dying in my FC squads. I know the chance is suppose to be 1% but it's just that it never happened to me before and I've never seen it happening to anyone else either until recently, and it's happening at a pretty high rate...
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  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    You're just unlucky. I haven't seen anyone white-named drop anything lately.
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  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I've dropped my lunar spear before like 4 months ago as a white name inside HH3-3, but it's only ever happened to me once in the 2 years I've been white name lol. Then again... most people on my server are blue name so I can't really give you an accurate answer. b:chuckle The white names I kill never drop.
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  • Shevanel - Sanctuary
    Shevanel - Sanctuary Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Dan, you're on sanct. It's tt D:<

    And yeah, I have recently dropped in nirvana as a white name. Just some def charms. I had never seen it upto that point.
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  • Dsholder - Dreamweaver
    Dsholder - Dreamweaver Posts: 626 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    A assassin in my nirvana squad dropped a skill book upon death
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  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Dan, you're on sanct. It's tt D:<

    And yeah, I have recently dropped in nirvana as a white name. Just some def charms. I had never seen it upto that point.

    Well it may very well happen more in instances in PvE because you don't waste GAs in PVE when you have a cleric to rez you. I for one never leave Safe Zone without GAs so I've never dropped other than inside instances when I don't bring them. In PvP a lot of people will use GAs so drops may only appear to be much less common. That's probably the correlation you have encountered between PvE and PvP.
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  • GreenBeans - Dreamweaver
    GreenBeans - Dreamweaver Posts: 133 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    this week alone i've dropped about 60 apoc pots QQQQQQQQQQ
  • Mraochan - Lost City
    Mraochan - Lost City Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Weird to see the variety of responses. I've only ever dropped once as a white name. That's in over a year and a half. Never carry GA's, I bind my gear if I care about it...

    But one thing: I thought you could only drop items from your inventory when you were white, not gear and stuff ><
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Weird to see the variety of responses. I've only ever dropped once as a white name. That's in over a year and a half. Never carry GA's, I bind my gear if I care about it...

    But one thing: I thought you could only drop items from your inventory when you were white, not gear and stuff ><

    My Lunar spear was in my inventory. I have like 6 different weapons and 2 sets of gear, but I can only wield one of each at a time. So more than likely I could lose un-equipped gear when I don't carry GAs.
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  • Mraochan - Lost City
    Mraochan - Lost City Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    My Lunar spear was in my inventory. I have like 6 different weapons and 2 sets of gear, but I can only wield one of each at a time. So more than likely I could lose un-equipped gear when I don't carry GAs.

    Ah ^^ that explains it then.

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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I've dropped items numerous times being pure-white named...

    Dropped my inventory item OHT axes to Dark Colluseast in 3-1 once. Have dropped bracers, pots, herbs.. you name it.

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  • frossiah
    frossiah Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Well i haven't dropped anything yet as white on my barb. He just hit 30 on HL, i've gotten PKed maybe a 100 times since and no drops.
  • _Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary
    _Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary Posts: 993 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    why do people still use GA's? b:chuckle
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  • Shevanel - Sanctuary
    Shevanel - Sanctuary Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    why do people still use GA's? b:chuckle

    Safety lock is a pain in the ****, as I happen to dc frequently at times. I haven't even pk'd in a while, due to the ridiculous price of GAs. GIVE US 10 GA FOR 1 GOLD YOU GREEDY **** HOLES. Really now. It doesn't cost them to create the damn things. Why must they cost so much.
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  • MistaBwanden - Sanctuary
    MistaBwanden - Sanctuary Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I've seen some white names drop, but not often.
    It's supposed to be a REALLY slim chance.
  • DrDrakken - Lost City
    DrDrakken - Lost City Posts: 227 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    My experience of dropping items while white named is similar to Michael's. My first drop was close to an year ago, and I've seen countless drops since then, both mine and other people's. Just dropped my sword in FC btwb:chuckle
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  • Mirko - Raging Tide
    Mirko - Raging Tide Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    a bit OT, but regarding droping..

    last weekend in tw, my friend got killed after our crystal was destroyed and he dropped half of his armor.. he was red named.. but i tought you cant drop in tw even if you are blood red..

    i guess when tw is over it turns to regular instance.. i dont think that was the case before last tw patch..
  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    You drop stuff from inventory as white name all the time. Mostly you drop like 1 hp pot/arrow in pve when you get killed by FB/TT bosses, occasionally you drop to other players.

    I remember ages ago, this guy got killed by Polearm in fb69, he dropped a lvl 69 ring molder from his inventory. This other guy in my party picked it up and stole it, left party and logged of lol.

    I think its pretty lame that you cant, even as white name, have anything valuable in your inventory unless you have SL or doll. I mean ive seen several white names getting pked than dropping pretty valuable molders, oracles and TT-gear/weapons from inventory. If you're white name and wont defend, or cant since you got 1 shoot before you even have a chance to flag pink, you shouldn't drop anything at all.

    I guess it doesn't matter as much if you're on a pve-server, however you can still drop stuff in pve and someone steals your item while you're lying there dead b:surrender.
  • Crescendia - Harshlands
    Crescendia - Harshlands Posts: 805 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    interesting. I haven't been logged in lately but if its happening more often to people, that sucks and perhaps something might have been changed
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Dropping as white was something I've read about but haven't experienced or seen in person until recently. It was just a bit confusing that it's happening all the sudden all around me.

    And that dropping in TW? That must have sucked. They broke it as they took the coins out?
  • sangodoc
    sangodoc Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Random drop rates are random. Expecting to never see any temporary random increases in the drop rate is a failure to understand what "random" means. If the drop rates were consistent, then they wouldn't be based on a random number generator, and could possibly be predicted.

    If you think drop rates have changed, it takes far more than two or three examples to determine that. Humans are really bad at mentally noting statistics, because we tend to notice things that stand out, and thus fail to notice the vast majority of the "normal" counterexamples. With a 1% drop rate, you'd have to keep accurate track of about 2,000 kills if you wanted to be reasonably certain that the drop rate had stayed the same.

    TL;DR version: Don't jump to large conclusions due to a small coincidence. Someone, somewhere, will see random spikes in large data sets; that's just the nature of randomness, not a pattern.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Sangodoc wrote: »
    Random drop rates are random. Expecting to never see any temporary random increases in the drop rate you see is a failure to understand what "random" means. If the drop rates were consistent, then they wouldn't be based on a random number generator, and could possibly be predicted.

    If you think drop rates have changed, it takes far more than two or three examples to determine that. Humans are really bad at mentally noting statistics, because we tend to notice things that stand out, and thus fail to notice the vast majority of the "normal" counterexamples. With a 1% drop rate, you'd have to keep accurate track of about 2,000 kills if you wanted to be reasonably certain that the drop rate had changed.

    TL;DR version: Don't jump to large conclusions due to a small coincidence. Someone, somewhere, will see random spikes in large sets data; that's just the nature of randomness, not a pattern.

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  • sangodoc
    sangodoc Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Zmog Sangodoc has some insight to his own brains.
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    Heh... I took cognitive science, philosophy of mind, philosophy of science, and statistics classes in college, and I'm a skeptic too, so I'm all too familiar with logical fallacies and the failures of the human mind.

    Humans are pattern seeking animals, unfortunately we often see "patterns" that are really just random noise or partial data sets, and that leads to all sorts of weird ideas and erroneous beliefs.

    Hamsters, on the other hand, I hear are more sunflower seed seeking animals. b:chuckle
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Sangodoc wrote: »
    Heh... I took cognitive science, philosophy of mind, philosophy of science, and statistics classes in college, and I'm a skeptic too, so I'm all too familiar with logical fallacies and the failures of the human mind.

    Humans are pattern seeking animals, unfortunately we often see "patterns" that are really just random noise or partial data sets, and that leads to all sorts of weird ideas and erroneous beliefs.

    Hamsters, on the other hand, I hear are more sunflower seed seeking animals. b:chuckle

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  • Mirko - Raging Tide
    Mirko - Raging Tide Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Sangodoc wrote: »
    TL;DR version: Don't jump to large conclusions due to a small coincidence. Someone, somewhere, will see random spikes in large sets data; that's just the nature of randomness, not a pattern.

    sup with that TW drops.. is it glitch, "update" or...?
    coz i have been in 50+ tws and never seen anything like that until last tw patch..
  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    two or more weeks ago died in TT and dropped pots and i was white. probably first time when i drop white but i hope its in that 1%
  • Lenore - Harshlands
    Lenore - Harshlands Posts: 1,201 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I dropped some herbs when I was white in a TT like 1.5 years ago. Haven't dropped anything since.
  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I PK all day and I drop stuff all the time. Keep in mind I don't go red; I strictly PK pinks and reds.


    Infact, I fill my inventory with random **** just for this very reason. I've got pig irons, Big gold sculptures, level 20 swords, capes etc. You never know what you're gonna get when I die. Hell, sometimes I myself don't even know. I've dropped valuable stuff before too that I didn't even know was in my inventory, simply because I picked it up off some other dude and then it got lost in all the **** in my inventory so I didn't distinctly remember it and that I should put it away.


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  • sangodoc
    sangodoc Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    sup with that TW drops.. is it glitch, "update" or...?
    coz i have been in 50+ tws and never seen anything like that until last tw patch..
    I don't know what specifically you're referring to, but just guessing, it's probably just another coincidence.

    More details on exactly what you saw would be helpful.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Our Cleric just dropped as white... Maybe it's a FC thing? It's been happening in FC like every other day. This is a lot of "spike in the data".
  • Xarathox - Dreamweaver
    Xarathox - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,657 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Sangodoc wrote: »
    I don't know what specifically you're referring to, but just guessing, it's probably just another coincidence.

    More details on exactly what you saw would be helpful.

    He's refering to someone dropping an item from their inventory in the TW instance once TW was over. (check previous page)
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