quick solo TT question

You won't heal aggro if you stay back to heal the Venomancer because as long as the boss has its hate on the pet, the only person you can steal aggro that moment is the Venomancer herself or yourself if you attack. Healing the Venomancer that moment is same as healing a player who is standing still.
At least as far as I know this is the truth. I've never had problems with clerics healing me while my pet was tanking or the opposite when I was the cleric.

Not... quite.
Healing a veno whose pet is hitting a monster does draw hate from that monster.

I don't know how much - but it's more than none; you can test this by unsummoning the pet and watch the monster go for the cleric rather than the veno.

But. you are incredibly unlikely to out-aggro the pet just by healing. So I really wouldn't worry about it.

This is the reason Clerics need to be warned not to heal you on difficult lures, or at least until the mob has been aggroed by either your pet or someone else. A hard hitting mob can take a Cleric out fast if the Barb delays the catch, which is the reason i would much rather don't get a heal, as if it comes to worse the Cleric will still be there to res. In most cases you'll be caught resummoning your pet and thus unable to get aggro back fast enough to help so this is a real danger.

A situation i've often encountered in PUGs is overeager venos forgetting to set their pet to manual when pulling bosses surrounded by mobs that aggro fast and have ranged attacks (such as Qianji) in which scenario an extra mob may be pulled if it gets the pet's atention before it reaches target. This is easy to overlook, and as most Clerics will have the small kindness of throwing you a just in case IH regardless of wether you get hit or not, he may get mobbed while the squad is occupied with the boss, a situation that can easily escalate into a wipe.

Heal aggro is also a very real danger when dealing with multiples, especially if the Veno is spam healing as our AoEs are slow to cast, and the pet going down or being unsummoned to reposition mobs will almost always doom the Cleric. I know some may not like my saying this but healing Venos is rarely a priority and Clerics should take special precautions when focusing on us. A Veno should never expect a Cleric heal other than group except when tanking herself, wether intentionally or as a necessity of the moment, and you should be ready to use Soul Transfussion whenever circumstances would leave the Cleric open to becoming a mob's target. Ideally, a Cleric should only heal you after you have attacked a mob or it has been aggrooed by someone else, and never while a pet is unsummoned or dead, as most venos will almost instinctively call their pet on this scenario, effectively putting themselves out of action through the process.

I've found this can actually be pretty situational, though it seems to only be an issue when pulling.

Usually a quick IH or two while the pet is running to attack the target is fine and as soon as the pet lands it's hit, aggro stays on the pet and then the veno after stow. Any healing after that will trasnfer aggro towards the cleric. You may want to think of it the same way as a barb's roar. Roar (or in a veno's case stow) will reset aggro giving a short bias towards the veno, but since it was reset, aggro can easily be pulled.

Many venos also use tame to pull some mobs/bosses, and this is effectively the same as using earthflame. There is just enough aggro built to pull the mob, but as soon as anything else is done, the aggro will be transferred.

A couple of things that may also be worth mentioning is that both BB and RB can steal aggro, so you may want to watch where you're standing when you pull and where you run after. BB seems to take aggro on the healing ticks, not just the other effects, so if you time things right, you can be under BB and catch without letting your cleric friend get hit. I'm unsure as to exactly when and why RB will pull aggro, but I've seen it happen a few times. I'll have to buy my cleric a few more scrolls and test this out a little more later.

As for venos getting healed, I'd agree that in many cases it isn't necessary (although appreciated on my part at least) and many venos expect more out of clerics than they should. Most classes do for that matter. The combination of ST, boost, grace, genie skills and pots should keep you alive most places. However in TT heals can make a huge difference. Sure it's possible for someone to solo all of it, but it's much easier (and imo, much more fun) with others. Some bosses will debuff you and aoe you and you can't always wait for cool downs. Yes, there's always ST, but if you happen to be spamming skills and have a fair amount of channel, you can rip through your mp in no time. Plus purify is a godsend when you hit bosses with casting debuffs and dots. Again there are genie skills, pots, and triple spark, but these all have cooldowns.

Point being, there are some cases where keeping the veno alive is the priority (assuming they're the tank). But as far as healing goes, it's rarely an issue after the mob has been caught and aggro has been re-established. It isn't much different then an other class tanking, imho.

kenlee wrote: »

yep they get agro, seen it at astral, agroed the mobs by just healing me and because he was closer to them died. i dont even need heal but w/e

Astral's aggro resets whenever he spawns mobs. If you're unlucky, the cleric's heal can land just after the reset getting Astral to aggro on the cleric, and your pet/the tank's attacks don't hit him (to take aggro) until after he's one-shot the cleric.

If you don't wanna risk your life or your friend's I would advise you to wait for her to get hit by the aoe before healing her. Maybe being healing while the boss casts its aoe would draw aggro, Idon't think so, as long as the herc has aggro (it's basically like you were healing a cleric who's healing a tank, like the chain heal at Jewelscalen... it shoudn't draw aggro). But yeah, if you don't wanna take any risk, just DD, and when the aoe hits the veno, quickly heal her before next aoe.