Blademaster vs. Venomancer (no nix or herc) same lvl

AiRei - Lost City
AiRei - Lost City Posts: 2 Arc User
edited August 2010 in Arigora Colosseum
Hey guys i was wondering im a veno and well i usually get killedby bms my level and was wondering which is better for pvp, thanks for the help ari signing out xD
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  • LifeHunting - Heavens Tear
    LifeHunting - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Nix = Hell to BM's in PK.


    Your herc won't last a second against the end-game BM's. But your nix will own their asses.

    Now that is mainly if your a AA build or LA build.
    If your veno is a HA build....well why tha hell you getting owned by BMs your lvl o.O??
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    LifeHunting - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Nix = Hell to BM's in PK.


    ... What the hell are you talking about? BMs and Barbs are the two classes that, even before genies and amped up gears, could pretty much laugh at a Nix.

    If a Nix is giving you hell as a BM in PvP, you need to step back a second and re-evaluate yourself because you're doing something horribly wrong.



    @Topic: Depends on a few various things. A BM does have an advantage against the typical LA or AA veno, but purge, amp, and hood are all handy ways to put things in your favor.
  • LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    LifeHunting - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    Your herc won't last a second against the end-game BM's. But your nix will own their asses.

    Lol what? Herc dies before a nix against bm? The only way this is possible is if the nix stuns and adds that 3 seconds to the timer. If you can kill a herc in a second, you can kill a nix in half a second. And... even with rigged flesh ream, no high level BM should have problems against a nix.
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I can't beleive I missed that point



    A buffed herc can actually take a hit in PK. Nix, on the other hand? Unless it has herc buffs it goes down in 1-3 hits from almost every class.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    You don't want to hit a herc with Bramble on btw. It reflects even in world PvP and it f-ing hurts even for a BM.
  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Thread starter say no nix or herc, but why everyone talk about them . .
    Well the venomancer need to become a heavy fox form i guess. b:surrender
    Though with all end game uber gear, i think BM would win.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    LifeHunting - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Nix = Hell to BM's in PK.


    Your herc won't last a second against the end-game BM's. But your nix will own their asses.

    Now that is mainly if your a AA build or LA build.
    If your veno is a HA build....well why tha hell you getting owned by BMs your lvl o.O??

    nixes take like no time at all to drop and on a HA with decent gear (+5 or so) they dont really hurt terribly bad but the venos can be annoying with them survival skillsbb:surrender
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • LifeHunting - Heavens Tear
    LifeHunting - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    truekossy wrote: »
    ... What the hell are you talking about? BMs and Barbs are the two classes that, even before genies and amped up gears, could pretty much laugh at a Nix.

    If a Nix is giving you hell as a BM in PvP, you need to step back a second and re-evaluate yourself because you're doing something horribly wrong.



    @Topic: Depends on a few various things. A BM does have an advantage against the typical LA or AA veno, but purge, amp, and hood are all handy ways to put things in your favor.
    Nix itself (HP wise) ain't my problem. My problem is I fight lvl 90+ venos who use their damn Bleed skill to kill my **** before I can kill the veno.
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Lol what? Herc dies before a nix against bm? The only way this is possible is if the nix stuns and adds that 3 seconds to the timer. If you can kill a herc in a second, you can kill a nix in half a second. And... even with rigged flesh ream, no high level BM should have problems against a nix.

    How about a lvl 78 BM vs a lvl 90+ Veno + Nix comb =.=?
  • Qqarrowqq - Lost City
    Qqarrowqq - Lost City Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Venoes are horrendously overpowered... Phoenix might kill my archer in 1 shot! and I'm always getting killed by the venomancer class even with the pets I see in new towns b:cry . Even when I used my winged shell... her frost scarab I think breaks it in one shot... While I die frost dot... How can a veno have trouble fighting a BM when I see them beat BMs too T_T. And yes, I am QQing and hiding on an alt because if I post on my main... people might laugh at me and call me fail archer b:cry
  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    @LifeHunting level 78 vs 90 nix veno seems like a problem. u just need anti stun, and a low damaging weapon. When she/he bramble hood, antistun, physical marrow and drake bash with low level weapon, then put on yer fists punch until bash stun is off and roar, then kill the nix. then magic marrow and punch the veno.
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »
    @LifeHunting level 78 vs 90 nix veno seems like a problem. u just need anti stun, and a low damaging weapon. When she/he bramble hood, antistun, physical marrow and drake bash with low level weapon, then put on yer fists punch until bash stun is off and roar, then kill the nix. then magic marrow and punch the veno.

    You phys marrow = veno 1-shots you. Life's entire problem lies, not in the veno, not in he pet, but in the fact that he's comparing a 7X to a 9X. Of course he's gonna be screwed either way.

    If, on the other hand, he was paying attention to the actual topic and discussing an on-level battle as the title suggested, he' have found himself having a much easier time even against ream from a nix.
  • LifeHunting - Heavens Tear
    LifeHunting - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    truekossy: Um. Actually, I posted my response because of the difference in lvls.


    Veno's at my lvl can never kill me unless I don't see their pet or their skill graphic. But veno's above my lvl, only way I win is if they haven't brambled yet and I can stun them with Roar for the 6 seconds, using my fists (1.67 aps) and then pop WoB, and then pop mag marrow (evens out my phys def and mag def somewhat to be mag = 5k, phys = 4k). That is before stun is done (if they are still alive, at which point I just go "ah....**** =.=") so I have a chance to survive....even though I still get hit for like 600-1k per their mag, and their nix/herc just add more DD to that problem =.=
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    With 5k mag def you're only getting hit for ~1k per against a 9X veno?

    You must be fighting some really horrible venos if that's the case. o_O
  • LifeHunting - Heavens Tear
    LifeHunting - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Yeah...HT venos love to suddenly go AA end game or go HA endgame (I hate the one's who go HA and then stay PK mode to kill everything >.<). The AA's hurt like a ***** and the HA's are just an annoyance =.= (killing wise)


    And the 600-1k was what I hit on them. Their dmg was something like 3-7k :/
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    You don't want to hit a herc with Bramble on btw. It reflects even in world PvP and it f-ing hurts even for a BM.

    No it doesn't. It only works in Cube, Tournament and erm... duels.

    LifeHunting - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yeah...HT venos love to suddenly go AA end game or go HA endgame (I hate the one's who go HA and then stay PK mode to kill everything >.<). The AA's hurt like a ***** and the HA's are just an annoyance =.= (killing wise)

    You have that backwards. AA venos die quick. HA venos are scary. Nix = 3 second stun that is only annoying.

    At 10x a nix only hurts if Myriad or Demon Ironwood get 100% armor break. Otherwise they're a lot like barbs in PK, you basically ignore them and go after targets that are relatively easy to kill.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    No it doesn't. It only works in Cube, Tournament and erm... duels.

    Bramble on Veno doesn't work but I'm 90% sure that it works on Herc. I remember having a Veno stun locked outside of Orchid Temple and taking massive damage from my AoE on her Herc. Test it really quick if you can. I'm at work b:surrender.
  • XXAnnikaXx - Archosaur
    XXAnnikaXx - Archosaur Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    do HA venos still fight with magic attacks?
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    K I just tried the herc thing and I didn't get reflected... I wonder what was doing all that dmg to me back then.
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    XXAnnikaXx - Archosaur wrote: »
    do HA venos still fight with magic attacks?

    Yes and no. Depends on the target and situation.
  • Lyritha - Heavens Tear
    Lyritha - Heavens Tear Posts: 447 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    what I tend to do in the scenario they start attacking the nix is to just stun them with it then bleed and unsummon then resummon then stun again since a freshly summoned nix has a stun ready to go again.

    btw light armor and sticking with it. Heavy has it's advantages but I'd rather stay in the middle ground with even defenses rather than one or the other or mix of AA and HA.

    I also play with very little -channel and interval instead.... fox form eats the robes unless they're over geared... lol
  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    truekossy wrote: »
    You phys marrow = veno 1-shots you. Life's entire problem lies, not in the veno, not in he pet, but in the fact that he's comparing a 7X to a 9X. Of course he's gonna be screwed either way.

    If, on the other hand, he was paying attention to the actual topic and discussing an on-level battle as the title suggested, he' have found himself having a much easier time even against ream from a nix.

    the veno would be in a stunlock. read better
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • GrimReaperHC - Dreamweaver
    GrimReaperHC - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,695 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    As a BM I usually rush to the veno instead to his mob and I AoE
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    K I just tried the herc thing and I didn't get reflected... I wonder what was doing all that dmg to me back then.

    Not sure, but sometimes I kill herc for the lulz and don't ever get reflected.
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  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Not sure, but sometimes I kill herc for the lulz and don't ever get reflected.

    Always kill the herc/nix because it increases your Kill count and hours of Infamy ijs.
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  • Maiira - Sanctuary
    Maiira - Sanctuary Posts: 190 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    the bramble on a herc does work, but only if the herc is actively attacking, if herc gets stunned, it no longer reflects in pk
    lvl101 LA/AA demon veno ftw, 15251 hp buffed, 13508 buffed pdef in human. able to use tt100 fists at 5 aps w/ genie. all from 2 years of work... WASTED
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  • Devaa - Dreamweaver
    Devaa - Dreamweaver Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    here is a good fight between the two i just found ^^

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvkPJ5pKlPw&fmt=22
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Maiira - Sanctuary wrote: »
    the bramble on a herc does work, but only if the herc is actively attacking, if herc gets stunned, it no longer reflects in pk

    I knew I wasn't crazy >.<. I need to go check this when I get home O_o.
  • godric
    godric Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Would have to say if veno can stun with first hit and get a lucky crit then same lvl veno can kill a BM without nix or herc. But if BM gets first hit and keeps veno stun-locked it is game over for the veno. With alot more fist BM's around with fast dps and high refine on weapon even HA venos are gonna find it tough to survive and they don't hit particularily hard so that is why alot more are switching to AA. With NV weapon or lunar wand with high refine and jones blessing an AA veno can hit extrememly hard and really doesn't need a pet to kill a BM.
  • Desiree - Harshlands
    Desiree - Harshlands Posts: 635 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    See http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=836672 for my view of Veno vs BM PvP. Fist BMs are easy kills but fast killers if you aren't experienced at handling them. Axe BMs are hard to kill but generally easier to handle - if you remember to bring some vacuity powders b:surrender

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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Maiira - Sanctuary wrote: »
    the bramble on a herc does work, but only if the herc is actively attacking, if herc gets stunned, it no longer reflects in pk

    Not in open map PvP. Reflect only works in duels and in certain instances.
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