Longknife's Guide to Objectively Filing a Complaint without sounding like a Jerk
Longknife - Harshlands
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There's plenty of QQing about how the GM's have this mad conspiracy plot to kill our mothers and make us cry in our sleep, and holy ****, personally I'm tired of seeing it.
So, because I believe that criticism is a neccesary cornerstone that helps lead to improvement and yet I think this community is largely-filled with disrespectful buttmunches who couldn't criticize constructively if their life depended on it, I've composed a nice little list of what not to do in a criticism thread that I recommend all members follow before posting complaint threads in the future.
1) Make a damn argument. Great example: "OMG GMs Y U MAKE TT SOOOOOO HARD OMG DIS IS BALLS U JUST HATE US AND WANT TO CASTRATE US UNLESS WE BUY 40 BILLION PERFECT WORLD MONIES, NO FAAAAAIRRRRR~~~~." Yeah man, I'm sure that after the GMs read this, they wrote down "Note: Players don't like being castrated" in their handy-dandy notebook.
Perhaps a better alternative would be: "There are good sides and bad sides to the new TT difficulty. The good side is that TT90 and TT99 equipment will now remain special; it will be harder to aquire and won't turn into some generic equip that everyone and their mother has. TT mat prices will also increase for those who actually manage to do the runs. Some players may like this, some may not. The bad side is that this is very disappointing to everyone expecting the old level of difficulty, of course.
Personally though, I think we should note that it's the players who ALREADY have their TT equips that will cash out on this. They're able to take these bosses on easier, so they'll be the ones farming. This means that ONE group of people (ie, the players with pimped gear) will likely dominate the TT mats market and develop a monopoly. This will contribute to seperating the rich from the poor, which is never a good thing. It discourages new players and makes them give up and quit. Perhaps for this reason alone, TT difficulty should be tweaked back down. Nirvana difficulty though could probably stay as it is without such a side effect."
See that? Those are the kinds of arguments GMs will probably read through. Why?
Here's the difference summed up:
First argument style, AKA the most common style on the forums currently:
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA~~~~~ b:cry"
Second alternative argument style:
"This change is bad for the game because A, B and C."
See, the second argument uses this amazing tool called "LOGIC." LOGIC is used to persuade your audience to agree with you by using flippin' common sense.
Seriously, you all should try it.
2) If someone is already complaining about what you wanna complain about, post in his thread instead of making your own. Look at our poor, helpless forum. It's filled with people saying "Waaaaaaaaa~, but it's not faaaaaaaair~" Listen, I dunno if you all were attention deprived as toddlers, but as things are now, making your own thread WON'T get you extra attention. Let's say there was ONE complaint thread. Would it's creator get more attention than the others? Yeah, probably. People would say "wow Terry, I agree with you completely and you just gained 14 additional relationship points with me for making this thread." Problem is, there's dozens of these damn threads. See, when there's dozens of them, that means people stop reading who made it, because that opinion is no longer special and unique. You're considered "just another brotha" instead of "the hero and truth-speaker of our cause." Also, you're thread will tick the mods and GMs off cause they're probably even more sick of reading all this **** than I am. That means your thread will be closed and your righteous fight immediately shut down. If you just post your opinion in another thread that's already pages long, then your post will surely stay there for all to see, and you won't be losing any potential attention. See?
3) No boycotts. You are not Mahatma Gandhi; your boycott will fail miserably for two reasons:
Let's say you established a successful boycott. 90% of the forum promised not to cash shop to prove a point. Guess what the other 10% is thinking? "If I cash shop my butt off like an anti-social jerk, I can make millions and become all-powerful in-game!!" Yep, so there's your first hole.
The second hole is this: MMO's typically come from Asia. The developers generally pay close attention to the asian version while flipping the International version the bird. It's much, MUCH easier to examine one MMO carefully and bet that all the other versions will likely (eventually) run into the same issues the initial version runs into. Is this a lazy way of thinking? Yep. Is PWI a horrible demon for doing this? Nope, actually every MMO I've ever known has been like this, and aside from that PWI has provided better service than the others. Is there anything we can do about this? Nope. All we can do is trust that the Chinese are just as cheesed off about the changes as we are so that the unwanted changes will be reversed.
Also worth mentioning is that those of us who constantly accuse the GMs of not doing their job are probably just stressing them out. The devs are the dudes in China who make the changes to the game. They themselves have the final say in what gets changed and what doesn't. The GMs here are in charge of managing our game, but UNDER the management of the devs in China. GMs DON'T have their own say; they just follow the orders given to them and can only tell the devs how cheesed off we are; they can't actually reverse changes themselves.
4) This is not a conspiracy to make us all join PWE's new game. Seriously, what the HELL?? Tell me how this makes any sense at all. Why would a company PURPOSEFULLY provide horrible service with one product in hopes that people will buy the other? This is basically the equivalent of if McDonald's were to offer a steaming pile of **** to it's customers, and then after they were finished barfing all over the walls, McDonald's proceeded to offer them an ACTUAL cheeseburger. Do you think people would buy the second burger after the first "burger" was a steaming pile of ****? Of course not. Does it makes sense to purposefully run off loyal, paying customers IN THE HOPES that they'll visit your new store you just built downtown? Of course not. It makes much more sense to simply hold on to those customers and keep your steady, reliable business while trying to build up the second business as well.
5) Stop with the cliche jokes.
For example:
"HURRRDUURRRRRR I bet next week is like:
INTRODUCING...
The TT difficulty reduction pack. Reduces the difficulty of TT FOR ONLY 40 GOLD PER RUN, HURRRDURRR."
Wow man, did your mom help you with that one? It's pretty good. Haven't heard a joke like that in....4 seconds.
Seriously, if you must use this community's disapproval for recent patches as your shot to become the next George Carlin, then AT LEAST come up with some original jokes. For the Love of God.
Sample alternatives to complaining on the forums:
-Petting Kittens
-Watching a Movie
-YahooAnswersFail.com
-Playing the Game
-Flying a Kite
-Bungee Jumping
Well, I hope this has been both educational and interesting for you all.
Happy complaining b:bye
So, because I believe that criticism is a neccesary cornerstone that helps lead to improvement and yet I think this community is largely-filled with disrespectful buttmunches who couldn't criticize constructively if their life depended on it, I've composed a nice little list of what not to do in a criticism thread that I recommend all members follow before posting complaint threads in the future.
1) Make a damn argument. Great example: "OMG GMs Y U MAKE TT SOOOOOO HARD OMG DIS IS BALLS U JUST HATE US AND WANT TO CASTRATE US UNLESS WE BUY 40 BILLION PERFECT WORLD MONIES, NO FAAAAAIRRRRR~~~~." Yeah man, I'm sure that after the GMs read this, they wrote down "Note: Players don't like being castrated" in their handy-dandy notebook.
Perhaps a better alternative would be: "There are good sides and bad sides to the new TT difficulty. The good side is that TT90 and TT99 equipment will now remain special; it will be harder to aquire and won't turn into some generic equip that everyone and their mother has. TT mat prices will also increase for those who actually manage to do the runs. Some players may like this, some may not. The bad side is that this is very disappointing to everyone expecting the old level of difficulty, of course.
Personally though, I think we should note that it's the players who ALREADY have their TT equips that will cash out on this. They're able to take these bosses on easier, so they'll be the ones farming. This means that ONE group of people (ie, the players with pimped gear) will likely dominate the TT mats market and develop a monopoly. This will contribute to seperating the rich from the poor, which is never a good thing. It discourages new players and makes them give up and quit. Perhaps for this reason alone, TT difficulty should be tweaked back down. Nirvana difficulty though could probably stay as it is without such a side effect."
See that? Those are the kinds of arguments GMs will probably read through. Why?
Here's the difference summed up:
First argument style, AKA the most common style on the forums currently:
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA~~~~~ b:cry"
Second alternative argument style:
"This change is bad for the game because A, B and C."
See, the second argument uses this amazing tool called "LOGIC." LOGIC is used to persuade your audience to agree with you by using flippin' common sense.
Seriously, you all should try it.
2) If someone is already complaining about what you wanna complain about, post in his thread instead of making your own. Look at our poor, helpless forum. It's filled with people saying "Waaaaaaaaa~, but it's not faaaaaaaair~" Listen, I dunno if you all were attention deprived as toddlers, but as things are now, making your own thread WON'T get you extra attention. Let's say there was ONE complaint thread. Would it's creator get more attention than the others? Yeah, probably. People would say "wow Terry, I agree with you completely and you just gained 14 additional relationship points with me for making this thread." Problem is, there's dozens of these damn threads. See, when there's dozens of them, that means people stop reading who made it, because that opinion is no longer special and unique. You're considered "just another brotha" instead of "the hero and truth-speaker of our cause." Also, you're thread will tick the mods and GMs off cause they're probably even more sick of reading all this **** than I am. That means your thread will be closed and your righteous fight immediately shut down. If you just post your opinion in another thread that's already pages long, then your post will surely stay there for all to see, and you won't be losing any potential attention. See?
3) No boycotts. You are not Mahatma Gandhi; your boycott will fail miserably for two reasons:
Let's say you established a successful boycott. 90% of the forum promised not to cash shop to prove a point. Guess what the other 10% is thinking? "If I cash shop my butt off like an anti-social jerk, I can make millions and become all-powerful in-game!!" Yep, so there's your first hole.
The second hole is this: MMO's typically come from Asia. The developers generally pay close attention to the asian version while flipping the International version the bird. It's much, MUCH easier to examine one MMO carefully and bet that all the other versions will likely (eventually) run into the same issues the initial version runs into. Is this a lazy way of thinking? Yep. Is PWI a horrible demon for doing this? Nope, actually every MMO I've ever known has been like this, and aside from that PWI has provided better service than the others. Is there anything we can do about this? Nope. All we can do is trust that the Chinese are just as cheesed off about the changes as we are so that the unwanted changes will be reversed.
Also worth mentioning is that those of us who constantly accuse the GMs of not doing their job are probably just stressing them out. The devs are the dudes in China who make the changes to the game. They themselves have the final say in what gets changed and what doesn't. The GMs here are in charge of managing our game, but UNDER the management of the devs in China. GMs DON'T have their own say; they just follow the orders given to them and can only tell the devs how cheesed off we are; they can't actually reverse changes themselves.
4) This is not a conspiracy to make us all join PWE's new game. Seriously, what the HELL?? Tell me how this makes any sense at all. Why would a company PURPOSEFULLY provide horrible service with one product in hopes that people will buy the other? This is basically the equivalent of if McDonald's were to offer a steaming pile of **** to it's customers, and then after they were finished barfing all over the walls, McDonald's proceeded to offer them an ACTUAL cheeseburger. Do you think people would buy the second burger after the first "burger" was a steaming pile of ****? Of course not. Does it makes sense to purposefully run off loyal, paying customers IN THE HOPES that they'll visit your new store you just built downtown? Of course not. It makes much more sense to simply hold on to those customers and keep your steady, reliable business while trying to build up the second business as well.
5) Stop with the cliche jokes.
For example:
"HURRRDUURRRRRR I bet next week is like:
INTRODUCING...
The TT difficulty reduction pack. Reduces the difficulty of TT FOR ONLY 40 GOLD PER RUN, HURRRDURRR."
Wow man, did your mom help you with that one? It's pretty good. Haven't heard a joke like that in....4 seconds.
Seriously, if you must use this community's disapproval for recent patches as your shot to become the next George Carlin, then AT LEAST come up with some original jokes. For the Love of God.
Sample alternatives to complaining on the forums:
-Petting Kittens
-Watching a Movie
-YahooAnswersFail.com
-Playing the Game
-Flying a Kite
-Bungee Jumping
Well, I hope this has been both educational and interesting for you all.
Happy complaining b:bye
I AGOREY
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Congratulations on writing what i hope may be an enlightening post to many. I agree with your argument at large although i do feel compelled to point out the irony of your post being subtly unbalanced towards certain positions, hardly what you would consider an example of objectivity. This is perhaps another point it may well be worth it to note; do not rant. For example, point number 4 in your list is unrelated to your thread's subject, and i do believe you have to admit it may be abusing what credence your main argument may provide you to advertise an opinion. It's not that i disagree with you, in fact i do quite agree with you on point 4, but you should have started a new thread to discuss this or posted on those already dealing with the issue. Let's not mistake the forum's general mood with positions on the issues.
Other than that i do agree with you, except perhaps on some of the minutiae you have peppered your post with. However it also bears saying that the "qqing about qqing" variety of threads have also become quite abundant, and what you number as 3, that is the idea people should not atempt to effect change through legitimate means, is certainly not something you may ask of others. Most of these would be protests or boycots, as you have yourself pointed out, are self defeating in nature and often base on unsound ideas. Neverthless people are well within their right to ask of the comunity for what actions they may deem necessary, so long as they do not incite others to breach EULA.0 -
Longknife + opinion = Wall of Text ?!? That's unheard of.
But you make good points, Longie. Shame they will mostly fall on deaf ears.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Thanks for the sig Ophida0 -
Ooohh I got in before all the Trolls this time. Good points. Sadly it's not really the GM's that are failing us, they are just the middleman. It's the PWE marketing department that's failing us and the management that sets the Dev's goals.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »Longknife + opinion = Wall of Text ?!? That's unheard of.
But you make good points, Longie. Shame they will mostly fall on deaf ears.
Huh? b:puzzled >.> <.<0 -
Nicely written. I agree that it'll mostly fall on deaf ears, though. Which sucks, but what can you do.Katzyn, level 101 Demon Veno
Kylenea, level 99 Demon Cleric
ForestSonata, level 6x Mystic
Proud wifeh of Yudai
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^Sticky please b:bye
Heck, it might even get some people to read it[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »Longknife + opinion = Wall of Text ?!? That's unheard of.
But you make good points, Longie. Shame they will mostly fall on deaf ears.
The correct term would be for it to fall on blind eyes, rather than deaf ears, amirite?0 -
Lol, what a creative way to complain while teaching many people at the same time.List of my territory war videos:
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FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »Longknife + opinion = Wall of Text ?!? That's unheard of.
But you make good points, Longie. Shame they will mostly fall on deaf ears.
You're gonna laugh at me, but when I try to edit my original post, I get this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v174/mr.people/toolarge.pngI AGOREY0 -
Longknife, you just gained 74 additional relationship points with me for making this thread.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Very well written and though of post. I agree with the others, people will see a wall of text and not bother.
Just a random question, how long did it take for you to think of and write it?BarbHammer - 95 - Retired
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Ty!
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That is a nice thread, nicely articulated, with examples that made me twitch instantly (showing how senseless and idiotic some do sound; if I were them I would fear for my own reputation, but it seems they don't care, or absolutely want to be seen under this aspect. Oh well).
Too bad that the concerned ones will probably be the last (if ever) to read this. And they would probably not care and continue their ways.
Sad isn't it? At least you said out loud what some thought about for a while.
P.S.: You forgot to mention that some people do not use search function and thus think that their idea is novel, while there has been countless repeats on the subject (You do not need me to tell which topics are concerned, do you? b:laugh)Maintenance time. Please choose a line:
- When is it over? OMG I need my fix!! *super spazzing*
- Fix the damn bugs, dammit! I'm so angry! I'll quit!!
- New codes out there? I like free stuff~ *wink*
- When will we get new content? QQ
- Will we get sales? I got a ton of gold to spend.
- I'm bored, I'll create a useless thread to annoy Opkorock.
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This is an extremely good post by Longknife. I would say he's right on all counts. Zero sarcasm. QQers take note, this is how it's done.
Edit: I forgot one point. I would add that people are generally taken more seriously if they post on their mains instead of a level [?] alt. /2cents0 -
Yes very well written ^^ I agree on all points. I have a few thoughts and ideas b:chuckle
I'd like to see numbers... how many people play the game vs. how many people are on the forums. I'd guess that the forum-goers are the minority. Personally, I read posts here from time to time, but never posted until patch 390. That's not good of me either, I should have been posting back in the day saying how much I love this game, etc.
So I was thinking about the old days, and I started looking for really old threads, just for comparison. To see what people were doing and writing about back in the day, and to see what the general tone of the forums was firsthand. I have heard what others have said but I wanted to see for myself.
From what I found, the tone was much more peaceful and logical. For the most part, they all follow the guidelines you have noted here Longknife. Of course, logical, reasonable people will.
I've decided to post links to a few threads I found highly interesting pertaining to the recent changes in the game. Please note the start dates of threads:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=50281&highlight=dungeon
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=22781&highlight=territory
To me these threads are gold.0 -
The old days were really not that good Marochan. Try searching for Nix QQ threads... I will say, some flamewars in the old forums were quite epic and i do remember some intelligent, great caliber trolls making some very interesting and fun threads. It did get out of hand at some point however, and attracted a host of wannabe flamers that turned the forums into a very hostile place. Things kind of mellowed out during what i would call the Hamsta/Spoons era...0
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MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »The old days were really not that good Marochan. Try searching for Nix QQ threads... I will say, some flamewars in the old forums were quite epic and i do remember some intelligent, great caliber trolls making some very interesting and fun threads. It did get out of hand at some point however, and attracted a host of wannabe flamers that turned the forums into a very hostile place. Things kind of mellowed out during what i would call the Hamsta/Spoons era...
(o.O)
We can has era named after us?
b:puzzleddarthpanda16: Firefox crashed on me. Aryannamage: I don't think I am a GM that would be new.
Hawk:Do this. closing thread
frankieraye: I'll see if we can replace the woman with a stick figure and the tiger fangs with marshmallows.//Issues like these need to get escalated quickly to minimize the damage.
Kantorek: Yeah.. you should try it. It's awesome.
Sihndra: Nope- not currently possible under any circumstances. Sorry.
LokisDottir: I mean...not haunting the forums, nope nope..
Konariraiden: You don't know what you are up against. You will lose.
Waiting for...Hamster Packs!
58% chance to get tokens
41% chance to get an all class pet hamster....but they has already been freed by the magic hamster.
1% chance to get ban hamstered with the message "Hamsters United!"
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Longknife, I love you.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »The old days were really not that good Marochan. Try searching for Nix QQ threads... I will say, some flamewars in the old forums were quite epic and i do remember some intelligent, great caliber trolls making some very interesting and fun threads. It did get out of hand at some point however, and attracted a host of wannabe flamers that turned the forums into a very hostile place. Things kind of mellowed out during what i would call the Hamsta/Spoons era...
Honestly curious about your opinion MANray, do you think the present days in the game are better or worse than say... the first 6 months of open beta? The first 12 months?
I'm sure those threads exist as you say. I recall being pk'd by nixes many times back in the day. Don't people always complain about PK? Personally, I'm not one to complain about PK, as I did chose a PvP server. Actually, I've never complained about anything in this game until patch 390. Only skimmed or did research in the forums up till then, never posted.
I posted those links as (what I thought to be) an interesting perspective in light of two topics being discussed recently: TW pay, and the expectation of a high level to help you with an instance/help you level up. I really enjoy reading those old threads from the first players. To me, that historical context is key to understanding where you are now, and where you're going.
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Mraochan - Lost City wrote: »Collector of pet eggs, armor, weapons, fashion, and mountsb:chuckle0
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Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »This is an extremely good post by Longknife. I would say he's right on all counts. Zero sarcasm. QQers take note, this is how it's done.
Edit: I forgot one point. I would add that people are generally taken more seriously if they post on their mains instead of a level [?] alt. /2cents
Then I guess people who cannot post from their main are just screwed, even though they would prefer to post on their main. Mmhm.
Nice post though Longknife. I lol'd about the web address LOL. Maybe you should change your name to Longposts o.o0 -
Just LOL b:chuckle0
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@Mraochan I did enjoy the game far more in those days and do miss the wit and humor of some contributors like Sai. Then again, i do understand there is a human tendency towards idealizing "golden ages". In gamer forums it is often said everyone likes the first MMO they played best, and the musings of old U O and E Q fans do drive the point home. This game is much better in many aspects than when we first started playing, venos no longer have to get a pet book every week to keep their pet's loyalty, there's PQ, two new classes, genies, etc. The population has aged however, it's not like the troubles we had back then were any less important, gold around 200k was scandalous to many at first and then there was good old Harpy Wraith, Duke Rose, the untamed 19 culti, the Ether dead trap, Oracle queues, Secret Passage... It's very hard now for the larger part of the comunity (and i do include myself) to see things objectively. The game has changed and so have the rules.
What i miss the most is how much easier it was to form a squad for anything. I first went to a TT run as a 4x and back then such oportunities were far from rare. There was no such a thing as the elitism i now see on many servers, there was little chance you would be rejected from a squad for what gear you had. You could make a PUG in a grinding spot and end up doing someone's fb. There used to be so many people waiting to kill bosses like Krixis on weekends a higher level that came to help would often have to do the job 3-4 times. I remember the first 2x event we got people were even keeping tally of who had done the most fbs. Even rivalries were more friendly back then... I got into so many disastrous parties and wipes it was some of the best fun i've had on an MMO. And back then loosing xp was actually a setback. Nowadays you can count on one or two people dropping squad if the party wipes, especially if it was their fault...
It's not just the game that has changed but us. We have stopped enjoying and challenging ourselves by setting all of these high standards and using guilds to isolate us from each other rather than using them as a tool for joining us. Were the old days any better? Probably not, we were only more willing to have fun. I'm not saying PWI hasn't done it's share in undermining the comunity, but most of the job we've done ourselves. I've seen far worse in the way of flaming and venting on these forums that we have now however, and ragequitting on a scale many people who are now high levels and regular contributors could probably not imagine. Not all things have grown worse in the game and this comunity may yet see better times. It's not all in our hands i'll admit.
@MagicHamsta; I say everyone can have an era, here ya'all go, eras for everyone! b:chuckle0 -
sticky?b:victorymain: psy94
how about having fun instead of expecting the worse?b:thanks0 -
Ah this is so halfway right, you cannot be serious to think that Perfect World Entertainment dosn't have any power. Actaully they pay for the licene ( i quess millions ) and they make millions from this game, do you really think they are such noobs and dosn't have any power to change something. Be serious . Noone force PWI as a company to change everything what PW China... do, the same noone force them to sell armors, wines, weapons...in packs. PWI can change things verry fast if they would wannt. They aren't idiots, but it's a other question if they could ever make with so little population ( as PWI today have it ), so many profit with any other strategy. Probably not, since PWI dosn't play as 1-2 years ago 300-400k + people, today they struggle to get 100k users on facebook and most from them are even old players, thats a big difference.0
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LongKnife, usually i don't read walls-o-text, but yours caught my full attention within the first sentence.
+10000000000000 for making that. and lets hope this is stickied lol. So the QQers will read it and be put in their place.>.<0 -
@MANray, I agree with what you say for the most part. Especially with the second paragraph. I also agree some things in the game have gotten better.
I like PW better than the first MMO I played, but that one has been around so long and has so many private servers now that very little changes. But, the leveling rates don't change in that game, which is one of my big problems with PW... The servers started out low rate and now is more mid rate. Depending on how much cash you want to drop, it even comes close to high rate servers. I don't like this spread of leveling curve on the same server. A slight advantage for a price? Fine by me. Getting to 60 in a day? Different story. This is just my opinion.
I've never complained about the price of gold, or anything, until patch 390. I knew exactly what they were doing when they introduced chest of coins but I didn't really care.
One of the main reasons I still played this game was the hope of going to TW one day. Not much incentive for that at the moment.
I used to be pleased with the UI, never thought about how I would change it. >< Didn't need change. Gives me headaches now.
I'm the leader of a guild for the very reason of uniting people and helping them out. Another reason I'm still here. One point I have to disagree on, I haven't stopped having fun and challenging myself - the motivation to do so has been removed by changes made to the game. Now I'm only online for my friends and the occasional random noob and that's about it. I may have had high standards set. But the rules and rewards to attaining those high end goals have all changed. That really bothers me for some reason.
Oh and then the rules changed again. And again. Meanwhile I'm digging up ancient threads and see people posting about things (bugs) that still exist to this day. It's very disconcerting, as I had looked forward to playing for years. But now it's like paranoia of what will they change next. It didn't used to be like that. I used to look forward to updates.
Anyways, thanks for taking the time to read and respond ^^ Nice to have an intelligent conversation with a reasonable human being b:victory
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Nice post indeed, yet you also have to consider the fact that the recent changes have had a very poor welcome from the community, and the fact that the GMs are telling us "the changes are here to stay and won't be leaving anytime soon" (posted by frankie) despite the many viable options we have suggested like making new UI optional feels like "we know you don't like them, we don't care, deal with it)
As a direct result of that, it causes resentment on the community, who feels ignored and therefore feels the need to do more "extreme" things to get the higher ups' attention, after all what gets more attention in real life, a well organized letter of complains or a naked dude running around downtown with "free tibet" painted on his back? sure the organized letter will do more good in the long run, but it will most likely end up in the dustbin if you can't get some attention, it's like having the ultimate bistro with great food and awesome service, if you don't manage to get people to notice you in the first place you'll end up broke
While i do see your points, i also consider the community's view, for i'm also part of it, moreover the good old "been there, done that" rule applies for me, for this is exactly how i started losing interest on my last MMO, they introduced an update with content no one liked and the forums got flooded with complains, after 2 weeks of no response a GM said "we have forwarded your feedback about the new features to the developers, however the decision about the changes has already been taken and therefore is final, you can neverthless keep discussing the changes on this thread", that felt like "we give a rat's **** about your opinion, WE know what's best for game, YOU shut up"
Here we have to take many unfavorable changes "because china version has x problem", even when we don't have the advantages china version has such as legal multiclienting (most of us have to choose between playing the game OR set up catshop), no packs (i consider it an advantage) or oficially supported buy/sale of in-game good for real life cash between players, it's simply not fair
Woot, another text wall, but i think i made my point clear, the QQ threads are created as "head turners" in order to shift the GMs and devs attention to the problems the game has developed thanks to the changes, before 390 update there was what? 1-3 QQ threads every 2 days? now a new QQ thread is born every hour and they're all pointing to the same issues, when your players stop playing the game and start flooding the forums with complains it means something is wrong, for the game should be fun enough for them to prefer it over forums, if it's not then you're messing up badOriginally Posted by frankieraye: To say that would be a lie, because in regards to the DQ problem, it's something that we're honestly still working on, and something that we believe we can fix.
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Nice try, buddy. This is not an academic forum. It is a gaming forum whereby kids or childlike adults dominate. In other words, they can't even tell what actually make senses. Don't waste your time trying to teach a duck to sing a human's song.0
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