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  • Raydoit - Sanctuary
    Raydoit - Sanctuary Posts: 377 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Tekkblade - Harshlands wrote: »
    man.. this game is in such a bad state.. i think its time to move on though..

    It was time to move on a year ago. Well to be fair your server is a bit younger I believe. Anyway I think it is great that you would spend so much on a ftp mmo such as this as it helps keep it open for everybody. It would be even better if spending so much wouldn't make you noticeably overpowered compared to someone whom has spent nothing but that is what pwi is after all. Its also good to know you spent the money on more than one character and spent some for friends as well. I also spent around $500 on charms and orbs to sell them cheap to my faction and I quit a few weeks after spending my last $100 on anni packs just for the sake of saving myself from becoming completely broke (make minimum wage).

    Now around the time I quit I was complaining about PWI becoming a "cash shop reliant" game where all players would have to pay money to compete for anything. But not just pay a few $20 here and there, you have to spend a lot more. A year later it seems as though things are getting worse. I can't say I didn't warn people (I ******* and ******* for months) although many people didn't see the release of the anni packs as a game killer and decided to try to live with it. I didn't get to enjoy the expansion either...

    I can't say I know exactly what PWE has in store for the future as far as content updates and deciding to listen to the community to better the game for everyone. But it would definitely seem like they are slowly attempting to turn the game into a prime example of a cash shop reliant "free" mmo. They used to advertise being the best free to play mmo on their homepage. But if you are not completely oblivious like tweakz you can see exactly what they are doing.

    Here are my worthless suggestions: If you see more changes in the next 5-10 updates then it is time to pack up and search for a new mmo. It is possible they might listen and fix things although unlikely. We already know our GMs do not listen to most of our pleas unless we completely spam them with topics. After the spam they create a sticky and tell us to shove all our complaints in there. After observing the topic they may or may not decide to tell the developers who could really care less what we think. The chance of our people telling them what we think is already low and them doing anything to fix it is significantly lower.

    I was saying in another topic how funny it is that PWI fits the stereotype of bad ftp games so well. But seeing how this company operates has shown me what a truly bad company looks like. They could really learn something from a decent company like Nexon whom treats all there players equally and are constantly updating, fixing bugs, and upgrading servers as requested by their players. PWI is basically the opposite of this as they are pretty much turning their main game into a cash shop reliant mmo and they do not seem interested in fixing anything. I think the reasoning for the lack of bug fixes falls on our staff not telling them exactly what the problems are. I doubt the Chinese version has these same issues (bug wise).

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  • Crick - Lost City
    Crick - Lost City Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Mraochan - Lost City wrote: »
    Cool thanks for the correction ^^ I must have confused that with the stash supply box or something b:victory

    Think you might have meant prior to the bounty hunter quests, like myself. When people use to farm the instances for molds to make money.
  • Mraochan - Lost City
    Mraochan - Lost City Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Crick - Lost City wrote: »
    Think you might have meant prior to the bounty hunter quests, like myself. When people use to farm the instances for molds to make money.

    Definitely before bounty hunter. I started Apr '09, I was gone from the game about 5 months around the time of the TB expansion. I understand at first there was only one BH but then they added 2 more.

    Yes I recall running instances just for drops, those were the days... 2 venos, level 45-55, soloing 51 cave 3 times a day for one mold.... never got it. I bet we ran 150 times lol I want those days back!

    By the way wasn't the name of that version Age of Spirits? Or was it Age of Empires, I heard someone say that. The UI prior to patch 390, the one BEFORE that, anyone know? Just curious
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Mraochan - Lost City wrote: »
    Yes I recall running instances just for drops, those were the days... 2 venos, level 45-55, soloing 51 cave 3 times a day for one mold.... never got it. I bet we ran 150 times lol I want those days back!

    By the way wasn't the name of that version Age of Spirits? Or was it Age of Empires, I heard someone say that. The UI prior to patch 390, the one BEFORE that, anyone know? Just curious

    Yeah, a lot of venos were farming for the Lion Spirit Helm. It was worth quite a bit back in the day... 15m or so if I remember correctly. Not many got it to drop either.

    The first expansion was The Lost Empire expansion, it added the past maps, and the quest finder if I recall... then The Age of Spirits, which introduced genies.
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    If the game were dying, we wouldn't need QQers to tell us it was. b:chuckle
    Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.
  • Mraochan - Lost City
    Mraochan - Lost City Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Yeah, a lot of venos were farming for the Lion Spirit Helm. It was worth quite a bit back in the day... 15m or so if I remember correctly. Not many got it to drop either.

    The first expansion was The Lost Empire expansion, it added the past maps, and the quest finder if I recall... then The Age of Spirits, which introduced genies.

    Yes, that's the mold! Ah, good times.

    Hmm so I started playing in Lost Empire, as I was level 50 or 60 when genies came out... I wonder when that patch was implemented. I'll go look it up.

    Thanks Michael b:thanks
  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Yeah, a lot of venos were farming for the Lion Spirit Helm. It was worth quite a bit back in the day... 15m or so if I remember correctly. Not many got it to drop either.

    The first expansion was The Lost Empire expansion, it added the past maps, and the quest finder if I recall... then The Age of Spirits, which introduced genies.
    running cube for chips then make calamities was much more profitable for me... more than half of herc funds came from that lol
  • Legend - Raging Tide
    Legend - Raging Tide Posts: 392 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    If the game were dying, we wouldn't need QQers to tell us it was. b:chuckle
    Are you trolling or are you really this stupid and ignorant? o.o
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  • Angarika - Harshlands
    Angarika - Harshlands Posts: 375 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    ur just wasting words, move on. I have and I gotta say I'm pretty glad this game is **** and has been for a long time. People who still play this game got an addiction and need to find something else to get over that addiction.
  • lovingweather
    lovingweather Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Raydoit - Sanctuary wrote: »
    They could really learn something from a decent company like Nexon whom treats all there players equally and are constantly updating, fixing bugs, and upgrading servers as requested by their players.

    Uh...I've played their games for four years (quitting a year ago) and Nexon is terrible. If anything, Nexon is pretty much like Perfect World Entertainment. Their games have constant rollbacks, glitches causing innocent bans, unresponsive GMs, and the list goes on. You could go onto any fan sites of their main games, or even the main forums, and see the same angry mob of players seen here.

    When I read topics on this forum, I get an air of deja vu. Doom n' gloom topics, "boycotting," game is dieing, etc. Sad. =/
  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Terms of Service? Do you know anything about contractual law? I certainly don't but you can write a contract with someone saying "If you violate these terms I am allowed to murder your family and take your firstborn and by you agreeing to these terms gives me the right to decide when you've violated the agreement".

    TOS or EULAs can say a lot of things, but just because something is in there doesn't make them binding. TOS and EULAs are subject to both regional and federal law which can override or invalidate much of it.

    If you can prove they are trying to tank the game on purpose, as a paying user you may have more rights than they would lead you to believe, however the only way to find out is actually to do something about it, which 99.9% of the sane population of the planet wouldn't even consider. That doesn't mean you can't make a civil case.




    I agree with most of what you've said... and almost all of the changes they have made would be considered by most fine and just a natural progression of the game, an dI would agree.

    i do know a little about contract law.

    and something i have always had trouble with in the TOS is saying that what you purchase with your zen has no monetary value.

    one of the premises of contract law is that consideration must be comparable on both sides of the contract. consideration being the thing of value one party promises in exchange for the benefit of gaining the consideration the other party is promising.

    by stipulating in the TOS, which is a part of the contract, that what the player is purchasing has no value, the TOS is in essence creating a void contract with the player. if your successful, restutution could be the return of all the money you spend for which you recieved no value. of course you did recieve something, and the court might find that what you recieved actually did have value, but their TOS saying that it doesnt have value is certainly good evidence that it does not.
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  • Raydoit - Sanctuary
    Raydoit - Sanctuary Posts: 377 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    lovingweather wrote: »
    Uh...I've played their games for four years (quitting a year ago) and Nexon is terrible. If anything, Nexon is pretty much like Perfect World Entertainment. Their games have constant rollbacks, glitches causing innocent bans, unresponsive GMs, and the list goes on. You could go onto any fan sites of their main games, or even the main forums, and see the same angry mob of players seen here.

    When I read topics on this forum, I get an air of deja vu. Doom n' gloom topics, "boycotting," game is dieing, etc. Sad. =/

    They are not perfect but I do think they are the best Free online game company. They are pretty fair for the most part and they do pump out a lot of content and host many events. If their forums are getting flooded by complaints they usually respond and take action. Last but not least their cash shops do not contain overpowered items that are comparable to the packs of pwi.

    As for their forums....the community is mostly 10-12 year olds...wouldn't put too much stock in anything they say. They will complain about being beaten legitimately. But yeah their forums are **** and are infested with little ones. But the community over all is pretty nice. Honestly I think PWI has a great community and great forums. I dunno what happened to him but spoons was a pretty great guy and was easy for anyone to approach unlike with nexon. But all of that has changed obviously. The constant issues of pwi are flooding the forums and nothing is being done. No one is excited for the updates as they do not contain any interesting content. Actually they are making people mad which is terrible. Updates are supposed to keep the game fresh for everyone and not just cash shoppers. Updates is something Nexon is great with.
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    See its black and white now. It means I quit! How poetic and stuff.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Legend - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Are you trolling or are you really this stupid and ignorant? o.o

    Are you a deuce or do you just smell like one?
    Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.
  • Xarathox - Dreamweaver
    Xarathox - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,657 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Legend - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Are you trolling or are you really this stupid and ignorant? o.o

    Yeah, tweakz can troll pretty hard at times.
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  • Aelric - Lost City
    Aelric - Lost City Posts: 1,031 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    *waits for post to be deleted*

    I didn't read it. Just because your title is "Dear Gms And Developers Do Not Delete This Post" means it WILL be deleted. < but not till monday afternoon cuz no1 at PWE works weekends, and none of them slump into work before midday at the earliest b:bye
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i do know a little about contract law.

    and something i have always had trouble with in the TOS is saying that what you purchase with your zen has no monetary value.

    one of the premises of contract law is that consideration must be comparable on both sides of the contract. consideration being the thing of value one party promises in exchange for the benefit of gaining the consideration the other party is promising.

    by stipulating in the TOS, which is a part of the contract, that what the player is purchasing has no value, the TOS is in essence creating a void contract with the player. if your successful, restutution could be the return of all the money you spend for which you recieved no value. of course you did recieve something, and the court might find that what you recieved actually did have value, but their TOS saying that it doesnt have value is certainly good evidence that it does not.

    And you would probably have to prove that they are showing intent to defraud to actually win... or like I might have figured that at the very least you're paying for a service which should have some amount of reasonable consistency and that very unreasonable changes may be grounds for action.

    But my only point was really that someone pointed out the TOS as denying you the right or possibly having good cause to file when that's the farthest from the truth. A TOS/EULA can make the most outrageous demands or statements, but it doesn't necessarily protect them from consumer law.
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  • oyamajio
    oyamajio Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    This is what I've been trying to say. You can't break the link between cash shoppers and non-cash shoppers. They support each other. PW company, you've never learnt your lessons? Your game is dying.
  • KageYingZi - Heavens Tear
    KageYingZi - Heavens Tear Posts: 823 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Tekkblade - Harshlands wrote: »
    (WHY DID YOU DELETE MY LAST POST?)

    So let me get this strait..

    You gave all our forsaken PWI servers the lowest Drop rate in all perfect world history
    (i came from perfect world malaysia, bc it died - they even went as far as to merge all servers just to try to keep things what lil they could together..)

    Today i went on my first HH3-3 since the update.. and my 5 speed fist bm with 12k hp died instantly, i had my hp reduced to 50%, a purple bubble hit me right after that drained my life, then i got slept and sealed after next..
    (not that it matters to you, you can 1 shot anything)

    Are you joking?

    i've spent 10-30k USD on this game.. i have the right to OWN it, but what in the world are you thinking?

    why should we continue to play this game?

    when all i see people spam forums and WC asking you to change the game back to normal.

    and all you do is send us the next update (making my life easier.. The cash shopper).

    how do u expect to make the non-cashshoppers even want to play this game?

    they cant make money.. they cant farm their own gears, i spend hours on end helping friends and my faction gear up - (i do that bc i care about them and our TW game aspect).

    but when my character's i've spent in the 10s of thousands becomes totally useless inside PWI. This game becomes useless.

    why would i Ever buy rank9?

    ..do you expect me to even try? lmfao - yea right..
    you've taken this game to levels beyong all reasoning, this game will die.. not to mention amplified all boss's times 10, why should we even bother trying to farm any more?

    i have NEVER been one to complain about this game in public forums.


    (R.I.P. malayasia and international)

    I lol'd at this
  • oyamajio
    oyamajio Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    ...


    *facepalm



    or delete it.. it's nothing material. Enjoy the imaginary ones and zeros you bought.



    Because you have no life.



    Yet none of them are making sense and the actual in-game outlook is quite different.



    I'm a non cash shopper and I'm not complaining about these non issues.



    uhm.. hello? We're doing great! -tyvm!



    lie



    lie



    Why not just buy them their stuff?



    If you're totally useless after that kind of investment, ** -can't say anything nice after that.



    Because you do stuff like that. You buy your way through.



    Everything has an end, even your QQ'ing believe it or not.


    ...



    Aren't there enough QQ posts being made for you? Maybe you should buy some tele's and WC your gripes to the non listening GMs.

    Seriously, are you working for the company? You make it sound like one.
  • oyamajio
    oyamajio Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    KuiXing - Harshlands wrote: »
    i think we need a gm to respond to this or something, b:surrender if mr.40k hp cant tank it wth can high 8x low 9x do?

    Although I have no proof, but I think you and the others have been getting a pile of responses from them. Watch out for the guys like tweakz.
  • Magic_Seeker - Sanctuary
    Magic_Seeker - Sanctuary Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    - Truth is .. everything has to end.. are we most probably facing the end of this game? I mean for real this time . .. maybe this is it .. b:sad
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    oyamajio wrote: »
    Seriously, are you working for the company? You make it sound like one.

    I don't even like the company to the point that I will not spend cash on this game.
    Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.
  • Xarathox - Dreamweaver
    Xarathox - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,657 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    oyamajio wrote: »
    Although I have no proof, but I think you and the others have been getting a pile of responses from them. Watch out for the guys like tweakz.

    Now that you mention it...

    It's very likely "tweakz" is an alias of a Dev, or frankie/Kanto, trolling the boards. b:shutup
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Xarathox - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Yeah, tweakz can troll pretty hard at times.


    The OP is a troll dumb ****. We don't need 5 QQ posts from every QQer. Just cause I don't agree: doesn't make me the troll.
    Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Xarathox - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Now that you mention it...

    It's very likely "tweakz" is an alias of a Dev, or frankie/Kanto, trolling the boards. b:shutup


    Yep, that's why I encourage people to not pay to play and am one of the most outspoken against their bugs. -wanker.

    I don't even like the mods here. The forum is **** thanks to them and losers like you.
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  • Lenore - Harshlands
    Lenore - Harshlands Posts: 1,201 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    Yep, that's why I encourage people to not pay to play and am one of the most outspoken against their bugs. -wanker.

    I don't even like the mods here. The forum is **** thanks to them and losers like you.

    I've never paid attention to whether or not I've seen you in game but today in TW against Drakommunism I did and I must say you are a terrible player, your gear is **** for someone who talks like they know everything, and I can easily tell that the reason you think you're above everyone else is because you do not know how to play the game in the first place.
  • Remmi - Raging Tide
    Remmi - Raging Tide Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Tekkblade - Harshlands wrote: »
    man.. this game is in such a bad state.. i think its time to move on though..

    It is possible to tell people on forum about a new game you are going to if they ask for it in private message. But not on forum,... however ingame you can invite all your friends to join you in the game you are going to. If you are logging on to talk to your friends, why not take them with you? I brought some of my friends here, and lots of other people did too. They don't become PWI's property because they play this game, they are still your friends right? Best time to ask them seems to be around patching time, when the server has to shut down anyway. Anyway, if you decide to go, you can help your friends when they come over and they'll know someone in the other game.


    It's much easier to get your money back from PWI if you are unhappy with their service, if you stop playing the game. Or else they will be able to reimburse you in pixels, which costs them nothing and costs you a lawyer fee. At 10-30 k USD, it's worth fighting over.

    Seriously though, I think it's kinda decadent to spend that amount of money on something that has no value of itself, when you consider how many people could survive for years on that. And if you pay that much for "entertainment", I'm sure there are people who could show you "a good time" for a lot less, depending on where you live and what your "requirements" are,... like playing chess or something. You'd probably be entertained for at least a year, or much longer, I dunno... b:embarrass
  • SaintDominic - Sanctuary
    SaintDominic - Sanctuary Posts: 284 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I admit that I spent a considerable amount of money on this game, so I want this game to improve rather than seeing it go down the drain. It's ridiculous! b:surrender
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Lenore - Harshlands wrote: »
    I've never paid attention to whether or not I've seen you in game but today in TW against Drakommunism I did and I must say you are a terrible player, your gear is **** for someone who talks like they know everything, and I can easily tell that the reason you think you're above everyone else is because you do not know how to play the game in the first place.

    lmao!!!!

    Epic!

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  • Vixre - Harshlands
    Vixre - Harshlands Posts: 249 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    lol @ all the advertisement banners on this forum for EVE Online
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