How many more ppl have to leave the game?

quietwarrior
quietwarrior Posts: 8 Arc User
edited August 2010 in General Discussion
My friends I keep wondering how many more players will have to leave the game before some of the new changes are either modified or eliminated. When the "Horns" created such an uproar within the game you got rid of them.....so I believe you read these inputs...

The general belief seems to be that PWI is gradually but systematically making the game free game that you must "pay money to be competitive" I myself don't really know what to believe...

The increase in difficulty of the 3-1 seems to be of great discussion, as well as the unfixed glitches in the FB 89 where you don't get credit have fed the fire that something is either wrong or being deliberatly ignored at the programming level.

I've been a very active player for over 18 months and spent a lot of money within the game
Watching it fall apart is difficult and frustrating. I hope that in the coming days changes are made to help make the game as great as it once was.

Some suggestions:

First: Explain why you make some of the changes. Not explaining the changes create rumors to go wild.


Second: Mirage Stones for TW rewards was the dumbest thing ever thought up in my entire time on PWI. We can't use Mirage stones to buy thigns necessary for TW
and refining has it's limitations.

Third: The manipulations within the game can be fixed by the programmers without changing the good things within the game. Make certain instances level restricted
ie; FB's, TT's, FC's just like Nirvana! Thats an easy fix. If FC is 85+ then why can a lvl 12 even go in there??

Fourth: and Last.....Communicate with the players they are entitled to it.

Thanks
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  • Linc - Raging Tide
    Linc - Raging Tide Posts: 589 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    So the word on raging tide server is The Game is Dead. also rumours of game central focus revisionism. something about the new game is more important than the olde. and i hear there's some EA mixed in there, but i have no idea what that's all about

    and i have no basis for any of this and it's all very unfounded, i'm only reporting from what i see in the troll sector of world chat

    b:bored (why my favorite smilie gotta be on the 'more' page and not one of the main choices? anyone know a way i can pin that to the main group. i know, i know i can type out the code, but it's so much ez for teh clicken)
    I did not feel the treachery or inconstancy of a friend, nor the injuries of a secret or open enemy. I had no occasion of bribing, flattering, or pimping, to procure the favour of any great man, or of his minion; I wanted no fence against fraud or oppression: here was neither physician to destroy my body, nor lawyer to ruin my fortune; no informer to watch my words and actions, or forge accusations against me for hire: here were no gibers, censurers, backbiters, pickpockets, highwaymen, housebreakers, attorneys, bawds, buffoons, gamesters, politicians, wits, splenetics, tedious talkers, controvertists, ravishers, murderers, robbers, virtuosos; no leaders, or followers, of party and faction; no encouragers to vice, by seducement or examples; no dungeon, axes, gibbets, whipping-posts, or pillories; no cheating shopkeepers or mechanics; no pride, vanity, or affectation; no fops, bullies, drunkards, strolling prostitutes, or poxes; no ranting, lewd, expensive wives; no stupid, proud pedants; no importunate, overbearing, quarrelsome, noisy, roaring, empty, conceited, swearing companions; no scoundrels raised from the dust upon the merit of their vices, or nobility thrown into it on account of their virtues; no lords, fiddlers, judges, or dancing-masters.
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    FC is not 85+ you get quests for it much earlier than that.
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    Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
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  • NightRage - Raging Tide
    NightRage - Raging Tide Posts: 1,582 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    FC is not 85+ you get quests for it much earlier than that.

    But if you want to progress through the instance, you'd better have an 85+ with you.
  • Pacothenoob - Dreamweaver
    Pacothenoob - Dreamweaver Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    how many more players need to quit the game indeed. ive been on the game as well about a year and a half and i have never seen this many players leave in such a mass exodus. And the worst part is they do nothing about it. But the final joke will be on them when there are no more players left on this game and then there will be no more need for those gms and moderators who keep blocking and shutting down our posts. so if your a GM and your doing nothing but watching OUR perfect world die then all i have to say to you is in this job market you better practice saying would you like fries with that.
    Funniest tw request ever b:thanks
  • siasio89
    siasio89 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I startet to play PWI since last christmas and everything was perfect to me. Then I had a long break because lack of time and again I started to play on summer vacation. But gradualy I saw that PWI want only money from me. I felt that way when hyper exp, packs, -20% DQ items, insane gear, Duke shouts etc, have been released.

    Then, I started interest about people responsible for this game (what are they doing? - I thought) so I start visit the forum. I saw that game stuff is not interested about players opinion/suggestion (It don t concern forum moderators) because I saw some stick topics with 30+ pages and there was only 1-2 posts of administrators which don t bring anything important to the subject.

    Now I'm looking for new mmo. It is sad to me but I have to.
  • WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary Posts: 1,686 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    There have been a lot of changes over the almost 2 years I've been playing that have caused massive uproar among the players. The worst was the introduction of the Anniversary Packs.

    However, the servers remain full. In fact, they keep adding new ones while other big-name MMOs keep merging servers and shutting them down.

    In addition, sales remain high. As a boutique merchant I buy a lot of Gold from the AH, and the volume that I see people buying/selling doesn't appear to be slowing down at all.

    The answer to the question, "How many more ppl have to leave the game?" is pretty obvious: more than are joining it. That simply hasn't happened yet. Despite the trolling, flaming, complaining, and general all-around doom-saying, the objective facts are that the game isn't dying, it's prospering.
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  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    The enviroment in most other f2ps is much worse and this is far from the first time we've had people distressed enough about such changes leave. In fact i myself "left" for a while during one such episode... Long enough at least to remember that claims about better service and more concern for the comunity in p2ps were more wishful thinking than fact.

    Don't get me wrong, many changes in this game have been for the worse and there are many legitimate complaints that remain to be addressed, something even GMs themselves acknowledge. But overall i do believe the game remains playable and it is a good offering even considering recent releases...
  • ZAPATON - Sanctuary
    ZAPATON - Sanctuary Posts: 875 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The answer to the question, "How many more ppl have to leave the game?" is pretty obvious: more than are joining it. That simply hasn't happened yet. Despite the trolling, flaming, complaining, and general all-around doom-saying, the objective facts are that the game isn't dying, it's prospering.

    Agree. How will the devs notice our discontent with all this changes, if they see sales are steady or even increasing. They see servers not getting emptied, or reducing in population, but their population growing every day. They, who don't keep an eye on us directly (I'm talking of the devs, not the GMs here) will just asume everything's alright.

    And while many of us come here to complain about TW changes, TT/HH changes, gold prices, 10 million notes from tokens... many more are right now in the game, buying packs again and again, making more and more alts, inviting more and more people. Even some, if not many of them, are of those who come here to complain about those things. I confess I am guilty as well of having bought tokens once. Not with cash, not with gold, but with in game coins. But thats still buying the packs.

    If we don't stop ourselves from buying what we complain about... then why even bother complaining about it? To the devs, and the GMs, and anyone who would look from the outside, we would simply look crazy and two-faced, on one side complaining about something, and on the other side getting as much as we can of the same thing we complain about. Then once again, they'll just asume we actually are a masochistic crowd who enjoy the product, but love to complain about it.
    Madness?

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  • siasio89
    siasio89 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I think that player lvl 50+ is much more worth for PWI than 5 new players who can just download the game and after 1h uninstal it.
  • oyamajio
    oyamajio Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »
    There have been a lot of changes over the almost 2 years I've been playing that have caused massive uproar among the players. The worst was the introduction of the Anniversary Packs.

    However, the servers remain full. In fact, they keep adding new ones while other big-name MMOs keep merging servers and shutting them down.

    In addition, sales remain high. As a boutique merchant I buy a lot of Gold from the AH, and the volume that I see people buying/selling doesn't appear to be slowing down at all.

    The answer to the question, "How many more ppl have to leave the game?" is pretty obvious: more than are joining it. That simply hasn't happened yet. Despite the trolling, flaming, complaining, and general all-around doom-saying, the objective facts are that the game isn't dying, it's prospering.

    This is a real noob, someone who plays the game for so long and know craps about the game. He's been spending most of his time merchanting, trying to spot and scam people for $. He's a main cause of inflation. He knows nothing about farming, running instances. He's like a guy who just watches football but never gets into play and comes out shouting he knows how to play. In fact, this type of speculator and opportunist is the guy PW should be hunting down, not the farmer.

    What you've observed is a like 5% of the real PW economic activity, leaving alone you know craps about gaming activity. What you saw was the huge gold demand much more than the supplies from someone like you who stocks up coins, prays day and night for something good to appear in Boutique in the next patch. You are the true cause of inflation.

    You want to know the real income to PW Co.? Go check PW stock price changes. It only prospered when people knew nothing about packs. Then it went down and down sharply when everyone knew packs are permanent. The gaming is being ruined by those changes that lots of people already mentioned. Now they are struggling to make up for it but sadly this TW, nirvana, TT... changes are in fact going to hurt them even more.
  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    oyamajio wrote: »
    This is a real noob, someone who plays the game for so long and know craps about the game. He's been spending most of his time merchanting, trying to spot and scam people for $. He's a main cause of inflation. He knows nothing about farming, running instances. He's like a guy who just watches football but never gets into play and comes out shouting he knows how to play. In fact, this type of speculator and opportunist is the guy PW should be hunting down, not the farmer.

    What you've observed is a like 5% of the real PW economic activity, leaving alone you know craps about gaming activity. What you saw was the huge gold demand much more than the supplies from someone like you who stocks up coins, prays day and night for something good to appear in Boutique in the next patch. You are the true cause of inflation.

    You want to know the real income to PW Co.? Go check PW stock price changes. It only prospered when people knew nothing about packs. Then it went down and down sharply when everyone knew packs are permanent. The gaming is being ruined by those changes that lots of people already mentioned. Now they are struggling to make up for it but sadly this TW, nirvana, TT... changes are in fact going to hurt them even more.

    This is a real troll.
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  • Nakhimov - Lost City
    Nakhimov - Lost City Posts: 1,829 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    quietwarrior wrote: »
    The general belief seems to be that PWI is gradually but systematically making the game free game that you must "pay money to be competitive" I myself don't really know what to believe...

    I think this is more of a consensus than a general belief. The packs, and now the mirage TW rewards all point directly to a need to CS more in order to be competitive at top-tier play (relatively top tier, that is. This game is stupid easy to play).

    It sould also be noted that this game is coming into the end of content slump: you get this with other MMOs between xpacs (eg hurr durr I killed the Lich King 20 times in WoW). If more (not terribly grindy) endgame content were added there might be a little more reason to actually play this game.
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  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    oyamajio wrote: »
    This is a real noob, someone who plays the game for so long and know craps about the game. He's been spending most of his time merchanting, trying to spot and scam people for $. He's a main cause of inflation. He knows nothing about farming, running instances. He's like a guy who just watches football but never gets into play and comes out shouting he knows how to play. In fact, this type of speculator and opportunist is the guy PW should be hunting down, not the farmer.

    What you've observed is a like 5% of the real PW economic activity, leaving alone you know craps about gaming activity. What you saw was the huge gold demand much more than the supplies from someone like you who stocks up coins, prays day and night for something good to appear in Boutique in the next patch. You are the true cause of inflation.

    You want to know the real income to PW Co.? Go check PW stock price changes. It only prospered when people knew nothing about packs. Then it went down and down sharply when everyone knew packs are permanent. The gaming is being ruined by those changes that lots of people already mentioned. Now they are struggling to make up for it but sadly this TW, nirvana, TT... changes are in fact going to hurt them even more.

    Now that's a very unfair characterization and one based on utterly false premises. Let's leave aside the fact that Warren has for long been a generous contributor to the forums and that more often than not he's provided sound advice for those who would listen. Blaming merchants for the current economic situation is not only outright dumb but can't sustain itself in facts. If anything merchanting promotes the prices of goods to come down as heavy competition means profit margins are reduced. Want to blame them for the price of gold? A smart merchant will buy when prices are low, and thus to a certain extent guarantee an inflow of gold and gold bought items into the game, and will sell when prices are high, contributing to increased supply and lower prices. Merchants don't set the price of gold or of any other comodity in our virtual enviroment, except perhaps for the handful of markets where cartel conditions do exist. This is precisely because no one has a monopoly of gold or on boutique items.

    It's the market regulator (PWI) that is to blame for creating adverse conditions. And you really must be naive beyond belief if you think the economic situation on the servers is an important factor impacting PW's stock. There are more important considerations such as revenue and player retention numbers, for not just PW but the other games they manage as well. Then there are industry and macroeconomic considerations to account for. Do you think people buying stock are regularly checking in on the price of gold? What are you twelve?

    And seriously, there's no reason for offensive statements against people who hasn't attacked you or baited you in any way. There are many aspects to this game and merchanting is as legitimate a pursuit as people looking for a spouse or venos experimenting with pets, you don't get to decide who's a good player and who isn't. And how would you know anything about the way he plays? If you've squadded with the guy or are holding a grudge the least you could do is post on a Sanct avatar you coward.
  • aryannamage
    aryannamage Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    No reason to make new threads if there are already perfectly good stickys.

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