la or aa at 90

Myriad_ - Lost City wrote: »

Ok i'm only lvl 65 but I just used your pwicalc and changed AA to LA version so same refine, same shards so don't flame lol .

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=4cd6f0b99042a62b

So you ended up with more hp (10504), 73% reduced phys dmg, 73% reduced mag dmg and 11374/13575 mag attack.

LA has 9600 HP, 77% reduced phys dmg, 66% reduced mag dmg ; and 9903/11820 mag attack and 5% more crit.

LA lacks mdef but have more crit. I dunno how to translate mag attack difference in real pvp damage loss though.
So overall, with LA you gain 4% reduced phys dmg, and crit ; with AA u gain 7% reduced mag attack and slightly more dmg (how much?).

LA CANNOT use 2 pdef ornaments. That build would be an EASY one shot from another wizard (you can't just get all pdef and ignore mdef.. survivability has 3 aspects, pdef, mdef, and hp). It has less hp and WAY less mdef, go try again. FYI, you can't give % reduction without a context.. i.e. if you were at 92% reduction.. and you got an extra 4% that would put you at 96%.. halving the damage you take. If you were at 0% adding 4% would only reduce 4% damage.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

LA CANNOT use 2 pdef ornaments. That build would be an EASY one shot from another wizard (you can't just get all pdef and ignore mdef.. survivability has 3 aspects, pdef, mdef, and hp). It has less hp and WAY less mdef, go try again. FYI, you can't give % reduction without a context.. i.e. if you were at 92% reduction.. and you got an extra 4% that would put you at 96%.. halving the damage you take. If you were at 0% adding 4% would only reduce 4% damage.

yes, ok.
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=e6730438f0f2bc76

I didnt want to say that LA is good but, i tried to search for some benefits to go LA at level 100.

But there is none, except you got crit, but same pdef, and lower mdef, and lower hp if the AA adds little vit.

So less survivability, but 4/5 more crit. But survivability is better than crit.

So AA wins lol.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

So being that there are a number of ignorant people posting in this thread.. I'd like to see you come up with a better build than this using LA. Just limit shards/refines to what I have.. and no rank7/8 items or nirvana. Keep the weapon, and good luck.

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=627c6bfc9672cf80

Although I wouldn't normally put 100 vit in.. it puts this character above 10k hp, and it makes the benefit of an extra 150 stat points more noticeable. I'd be EXTREMELY impressed if anyone could come up with some LA build with more survivability than this using similar gear.

Still waiting for someone to come out with a better build. Otherwise... /thread

AA should be an easy choice, get good hp mods on ur gear and ur fine cuz we all kno the def youll get endgame from it, u shud be kiting anyway to reduce hits taken unless ur an idiot or tanking a few certain magic bosses.

Wiz's endgame is AA, half garnet sharded, half citrine sharded, in this way maybe:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=eaa684d105e5e080

this is just an example.
Then, depends on how much time u have to get coins or mats, or how many real money u wanna spend.
I think that all those garnet put low hps, cuz with garnet of +125 u wont need to put all those garnets.

_Leiian_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wiz's endgame is AA, half garnet sharded, half citrine sharded, in this way maybe:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=eaa684d105e5e080

this is just an example.
Then, depends on how much time u have to get coins or mats, or how many real money u wanna spend.
I think that all those garnet put low hps, cuz with garnet of +125 u wont need to put all those garnets.

bad link maybe? Cuz that is LA

Downupreduc - Harshlands wrote: »

i only saw one actual fact in your post, "extra 4-5%" crit. any light armor mage that only has 4-5% more crit than arcane mages, isn't doing it right.

Your example has 6% at level 100, meaning at less than level 100, it would fall into the 4-5% range, you're making a beef over 1% difference? b:chuckle

Downupreduc - Harshlands wrote: »

translation, in terms of survivability, especially considering the aa is maxed on p.def while the la can still equip elemental necklace, belt, even a full robe set... the la has at least equal survivability against elements (due to significantly higher hp); and dramatically higher survivability against physical (hp, p.def both higher).

Do please run the numbers you love, the AA comes out on top in elemental even with the lower hp. If you assume the LA dies in 10 hits: 815.5 damage a hit, the raw damage comes out as

damage/(1-%resist)=815.5/(.36)=2265.28 damage.

Then the damage the AA takes is 2265.28*(.26)=588.972

AA has 6809hp so 6809/588.972=11.5608 which rounds up to 12 hits.

10 is not greater or equal to 12, which is what your statement claims. The LA mage is taking 815.5/588.972=1.385 => 38.5% more magic damage per hit, that's a lot. Sure, mag def charms would help some, but you have to be able afford buying/refining those as well.

Run with phys attack and you get something very similar but with the LA coming out ahead, go figure.

And the LA is going to equip some AA armor? Well, it won't have those nice +6 refines on it, not unless you're a crazy cash shopper which you already said you didn't want to consider. If you're equipping basic AA, with maybe only +1-2 refine, you'll lose most of that HP advantage. Not to mention switching is practical only for 1v1 where you know they are coming, or PVE. It would also be a hassle and would take up more inventory space.

Downupreduc - Harshlands wrote: »

in terms of damage, i don't have time to run the numbers, but if we assume roughly 14% base difference, then the la mage does 8% less damage on average... since the difference between their crit rates is 6%.

Yes, this is wrong, why, you forgot the -chan on your AA's build. Not only does the AA do 14% more damage, but it attacks 6% faster too with the equipment you gave it. So if damage is 1.14, and attack speed is .94 then 1/(.94)=1.064 is the damage multiplier. So 1.14*1.064=1.213 => AA does 21.3% more in the same time-frame as the LA.

If we then factor crits in:

1.213*1.08=1.310 for AA (yes, these stack together, more shots = more chances to crit)
1*1.12=1.12 for LA

=> AA does 19% more damage than LA in the same time-frame. b:bye

Wait a minute, something I just thought of.

Could an LA wizzie with the Alm's bowl and refined rings come close to an arcane one in terms of ele resist?


EDIT: NVM, it's inconsequential.

b:surrender I want to know if my build is good!
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=e38ac5255df644a5
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oh my god its back again

we re DOOMED

id go 50 base vit arcane before id go LA, ijs, the vit plus havin maxed stone barrier and ur arcane armor means you have pretty much the same survivability as la, without the huge loss in mag attack (50 vit doesnt gimp u much) not to mention at 90 resetting 50 vit to go pure is way cheaper then resetting str and dex, la offers crit and thats bout it, really not worth it. prove me otherwise and ill take it back.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

when you are LA you dont have to wear a skirt and LA is super sexy until hh99b:bye

valid argument lol, altho over time you get used to the man skirts kinda b:laugh