Hello, Cash Shopper Speaking

_Ghostz_ - Archosaur
_Ghostz_ - Archosaur Posts: 230 Arc User
edited August 2010 in General Discussion
I would just like to personally say that this game is getting more ruined by the second, and even with my ample amount of money put into this game,spending money on every server i played on (HT, DW, RT, HL, and ARCHO) it is getting to the point where this game is not worth playing.

There is no response to the players pleads which they overflood these forums with daily

There instead of doing what was said and trying to fix the ingame economy, nothing was done, if fact you just put the main economy poison in the Cash Shop (indefinetly) and expect us to give you Respect?

Now dont get me wrong, spending money on an online game isnt frowned upon at all, in fact i love to if the game is even close to an hobby of mine, but whats the point of spending money on a game with no one to play with...

This game turned from a balanced self efficent and happy player base into....well what is seen on these forums, Complete and utter sh*t and chaos.


Please fix the game soon, or in the near future there wont be a game to fix....thank you
Just don't. This is your final warning.
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  • Loltank - Harshlands
    Loltank - Harshlands Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    This is the best worded, most civil post on these forums about the issues we're facing.


    I bet a hundred coral packs that this gets merged in with the other threads so the GMs can more effectively ignore our concerns.


    If the GMs are reading this, here's a simple solution to put us all at ease. Do something besides ignore us and ban good community members. They didn't lose their minds for no reason.

    Before a mod gives me the "boo hoo hoo, I'm a volunteer" line, ****. I don't care, and neither does anyone else. You were given authority in these forums to help convey the playerbase concerns to the people with the power to do something about them, not subjugate the playerbase.

    Just. remove. the. 10. mil. note. from. rewards.

    It's not really that hard. In fact, by doing that you can up the rate of best luck drops and MORE people will buy packs
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  • Summer_Blush - Heavens Tear
    Summer_Blush - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,187 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    great post but too bad its written to some of the blankest minds on the planet..
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  • Rerun - Harshlands
    Rerun - Harshlands Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I would just like to personally say that this game is getting more ruined by the second, and even with my ample amount of money put into this game,spending money on every server i played on (HT, DW, RT, HL, and ARCHO) it is getting to the point where this game is not worth playing.

    There is no response to the players pleads which they overflood these forums with daily

    There instead of doing what was said and trying to fix the ingame economy, nothing was done, if fact you just put the main economy poison in the Cash Shop (indefinetly) and expect us to give you Respect?

    Now dont get me wrong, spending money on an online game isnt frowned upon at all, in fact i love to if the game is even close to an hobby of mine, but whats the point of spending money on a game with no one to play with...

    This game turned from a balanced self efficent and happy player base into....well what is seen on these forums, Complete and utter sh*t and chaos.


    Please fix the game soon, or in the near future there wont be a game to fix....thank you

    +10

    and for the Updates since Anni Packs.... i just have to say " **** *** ***** **** *****-*** ***** ********* **** ***** ...., and after that *** anni pack came out ****** *** ***** ***** for **** *** " ....... that all i have to say...
  • _Ghostz_ - Archosaur
    _Ghostz_ - Archosaur Posts: 230 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    This is the best worded, most civil post on these forums about the issues we're facing.


    I bet a hundred coral packs that this gets merged in with the other threads so the GMs can more effectively ignore our concerns.


    If the GMs are reading this, here's a simple solution to put us all at ease. Do something besides ignore us and ban good community members. They didn't lose their minds for no reason.

    Before a mod gives me the "boo hoo hoo, I'm a volunteer" line, ****. I don't care, and neither does anyone else. You were given authority in these forums to help convey the playerbase concerns to the people with the power to do something about them, not subjugate the playerbase.

    Just. remove. the. 10. mil. note. from. rewards.

    It's not really that hard. In fact, by doing that you can up the rate of best luck drops and MORE people will buy packs

    Getting rid of the 10 mil notes is one of the best ideas i have heard since the release of packs. I mean 10 mil for 2 best luck was just asking for trouble from the start
    Just don't. This is your final warning.
  • Egaenil - Heavens Tear
    Egaenil - Heavens Tear Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    why you want to get rid of bank notes!! QQ I want to stash all my coins on me.. I dont want to stash them on alts, plus i only have a normal shop.. so only 200mil in bank 200mil in ah, 150mil in goods and 50mil on me.. GGRR stop trying to get rid of bank notes people!!
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  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    +10000000000000000000000000000000 for the removal of the 10 mill bank note. ._.

    why you want to get rid of bank notes!! QQ I want to stash all my coins on me.. I dont want to stash them on alts, plus i only have a normal shop.. so only 200mil in bank 200mil in ah, 150mil in goods and 50mil on me.. GGRR stop trying to get rid of bank notes people!!

    We want them removed as an option from the boutique agent, not removed altogether. <___<
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  • _Ghostz_ - Archosaur
    _Ghostz_ - Archosaur Posts: 230 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I sometimes which though that a new company would take over Perfect World, and start fresh with all the new classes, a group of Devs and GM that actually cared about the people playing their game and giving us the chance to play the game like it was meant to be played.

    No Hypers, No get rich quick cash shop items, just plain fun. People merchanting and people having competitive world chats, people grinding and actually having to work to get 89+.

    People actually having time to enjoy the many aspects of the game instead of wizzing by them in a mass level rush and not only that meeting the people along the way.

    People having stories about the oh so many squads they were in, and the steady economy of a well built server....

    And most of all having the chance to see the look on the players face, the look of utter delight in a game played with others around the world, and the company that made it all possible.

    Is that too much to ask for?
    Just don't. This is your final warning.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I'm not a cash shopper. There's absolutely no economy problem created by packs. Good merchants in most cases pwn heavy cash shoppers. When gold was 100k per I could have made a modest living just playing the game against the rules. The price of gold HAD to change. The events I can see a problem with. -The rich get richer. It's the same for vendors also but at least effort has to go up with it.

    Wanna see why people complain? Look at the Veno forums where they whine about being treated as fails because they have no Herc. Well, what are they spending their coin on if you can make 1m just off one character in a few days time at the lowest levels? -That's with getting all the skills desired and no direct merching!

    For the record, I suck at vending. I do a lot of grinding and made a lot off events. The point is you don't even have to be a great vendor, people just need to put in the effort, stop paying for XP, and stop pointing fingers because they fail.

    How many people out of 100 happen to pick up coin drops? Have you ever put the effort in to see how much they're discarding? I found that I was making significantly more in coin than in DQ yet people whined about DQ prices as if it was the main income! -It was like 3rd on the list after a 300 mob tally. You don't even have to NPC coin to get coin from coin. People are just lazy, jealous, and whiney.

    Charms are a luxury: not a necessity. Instead people use them to compensate for their fail builds and poor equips which leads to an endless loss of potential.
    Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.
  • _Ghostz_ - Archosaur
    _Ghostz_ - Archosaur Posts: 230 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    I'm not a cash shopper. There's absolutely no economy problem created by packs. Good merchants in most cases pwn heavy cash shoppers. When gold was 100k per I could have made a modest living just playing the game against the rules. The price of gold HAD to change. The events I can see a problem with. -The rich get richer. It's the same for vendors also but at least effort has to go up with it.

    Wanna see why people complain? Look at the Veno forums where they whine about being treated as fails because they have no Herc. Well, what are they spending their coin on if you can make 1m just off one character in a few days time at the lowest levels? -That's with getting all the skills desired and no direct merching!

    For the record, I suck at vending. I do a lot of grinding and made a lot off events. The point is you don't even have to be a great vendor, people just need to put in the effort, stop paying for XP, and stop pointing fingers because they fail.

    How many people out of 100 happen to pick up coin drops? Have you ever put the effort in to see how much they're discarding? I found that I was making significantly more in coin than in DQ yet people whined about DQ prices as if it was the main income! -It was like 3rd on the list after a 300 mob tally. You don't even have to NPC coin to get coin from coin. People are just lazy, jealous, and whiney.

    The packs was designed as a player get rich quick skeem, kinda like the game 21, the Packs were 2 easy to hussle and the players suffered.

    The packs offered tooo much for tooo little, which in turn skyrocketted our economy to never never land
    Just don't. This is your final warning.
  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    @tweakz If you can't see that packs destroyed this economy, you're more blind then I care to think about, and I'd ask you to kindly go back in-game and keep your **** off the forums. If you can't see how two Best Luck tokens injected 10 million into the economy helped ruin the economy, you're beyond saving. GTFO.

    To the OP, a very well written post. Sadly, unless you've spent even close to $30k on this game, your money is nothing but pocket change to the company and they won't listen. I'm not a heavy cash shopper, but I used to charge money to get things on the game I liked or wanted. Now I struggle to even bring myself to play.
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  • LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Thousands of people have no problems with the packs. There is no archosaur street crisis. People continue to buy the packs, play the game and got over it. Live with it. Also.. when you say our economy skyrocketed, is that a bad thing?

    You guys need to suck it up. Dont like it? Quit. Dont stay here and whine and say everything is ruined and continue to play. You are a minority. The majority LOVES the packs.
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    The packs was designed as a player get rich quick skeem, kinda like the game 21, the Packs were 2 easy to hussle and the players suffered.

    The packs offered tooo much for tooo little, which in turn skyrocketted our economy to never never land


    It's not skyrocketed. It's merely at a good point to keep people from being able to make an easy living off of playing. To compensate the new players, they now have things like the supply stash, weapon token quest, etc. These were all great decisions by the company to make. (but perpetual bugs aren't)

    You also may want to rethink your first statement here. People are losing money on these packs because it's just like gambling in real life. They'd be better off in general making other investments, or haven't you looked at the statistics in the database on these packs? If you're talking about the ability to sell the packs for profit, well the non cash shoppers can just as well. How great of an investment are they when they just keep coming?

    There will never be an end to people pointing the finger to blame others for themselves being fail.
    @tweakz If you can't see that packs destroyed this economy, you're more blind then I care to think about, and I'd ask you to kindly go back in-game and keep your **** off the forums. If you can't see how two Best Luck tokens injected 10 million into the economy helped ruin the economy, you're beyond saving. GTFO.

    First prove the economy is injured in any single way by them. It isn't: It's all in your whiney little "it's not my fault I fail" head. Instead of whining which isn't going to change anything, why not you gtfo? Only way you're going to send a clear message is by either quit paying for the game or quit playing the game.
    Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.
  • Egaenil - Heavens Tear
    Egaenil - Heavens Tear Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    I'm not a cash shopper.

    How many people out of 100 happen to pick up coin drops? Have you ever put the effort in to see how much they're discarding? I found that I was making significantly more in coin than in DQ yet people whined about DQ prices as if it was the main income! -It was like 3rd on the list after a 300 mob tally. You don't even have to NPC coin to get coin from coin. People are just lazy, jealous, and whiney.

    Charms are a luxury: not a necessity. Instead people use them to compensate for their fail builds and poor equips which leads to an endless loss of potential.

    If I bent over people will say "bla bla bla things* :( coz I like my mini black skirt.. so I refuse to pick up loot these days
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  • _Ghostz_ - Archosaur
    _Ghostz_ - Archosaur Posts: 230 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Thousands of people have no problems with the packs. There is no archosaur street crisis. People continue to buy the packs, play the game and got over it. Live with it. Also.. when you say our economy skyrocketed, is that a bad thing?

    You guys need to suck it up. Dont like it? Quit. Dont stay here and whine and say everything is ruined and continue to play. You are a minority. The majority LOVES the packs.

    It skyrocketed for the worse, aka a plummet kinda like the American Economy. And no the majority dislikes packs but are forced to use them simply because of the competitive spirit in every gamer or human in that matter.

    These post are not to whine and complain but to lead the game in the right direction so the Gms can properly fix it.

    And yes the beginning of probably the end of our problems were the packs and how a cash shopper could in 10 minutes obtain something people farmed since the beginning of the game for (Lunar claws in HT is a prime example)

    If the packs were not implemented we wouldnt be having this conversation and 99% of the gaming population knows it
    Just don't. This is your final warning.
  • Loltank - Harshlands
    Loltank - Harshlands Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Let me go on record and say I LOVE the packs. I'm lazy and it lets me level alts, get a TON of mana pots(no mana charms for me, thanks, I'm a wizard and that **** is expensive) and stockpile ulti subs for TT runs.

    The problem I have is the fact that these packs inject SO MANY COINS into the economy, devaluing the in-game currency and leaving this game more pay to play than free to play for most new and casual players.


    EDIT: And really, with the amount of coin that skills cost and the way grinding's profitability has been reduced, you basically are forced to spend some cash on this game to progress past a certain point as a class that has no farming options (IE, Wizards, Psys, Archers, modestly geared Sins)
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  • RoidAbuse - Sanctuary
    RoidAbuse - Sanctuary Posts: 1,066 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Sure, people are more likely to lose than gain on the packs if they are using ingame coins to buy them off merchants. But think about the people who bought packs directly from the boutique using RL money. If they get two best luck tokens, they just made 10M out of nowhere. If they sold gold instead of buying packs, coins are just being circulated between players.
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  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    First prove the economy is injured in any single way by them. It isn't: It's all in your whiney little "it's not my fault I fail" head. Instead of whining which isn't going to change anything, why not you gtfo? Only way you're going to send a clear message is by either quit paying for the game or quit playing the game.

    You clearly never played before packs, did you? Otherwise you would have realised that the gold price, that was on average about 100-120k per server before packs, was bumped up to 350k by the anniversary packs in the second time they were released.

    Now, between the TW nerf and the DQ nerf and multiple x2 events flooding the market with drops that used to be worth something, playing this game for free is being driven to the realm of impossibility. How you can't see that is beyond me - maybe you're the reason for the new horrible UI changes. After all your, eyesight is clearly terrible. The ways to make coin in this game without cash shopping has come down to one thing: merchant.

    That's it. You can't sit around and farm any more, as drops are barely worth anything for the time it can take to get them. For everything else, there's the boutique.

    Seriously. If you can't see how packs screwed the economy over and injected billions upon billions of coin into this game where it was never needed you're incredibly blind, or incredibly stupid, and I'm not about to sit here and explain to you how very wrong you are when you pretend how packs were needed and were a necessity and oh noes QQ packs are gone for a week.
    (Also, with your argument, you are clearly a pack noob. Go away.)
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  • Summer_Blush - Heavens Tear
    Summer_Blush - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,187 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    If I bent over people will say "bla bla bla things* :( coz I like my mini black skirt.. so I refuse to pick up loot these days

    you bending over in that fairy dress......

    omg Nosebleed! b:dirty
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  • _Ghostz_ - Archosaur
    _Ghostz_ - Archosaur Posts: 230 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    It's not skyrocketed. It's merely at a good point to keep people from being able to make an easy living off of playing. To compensate the new players, they now have things like the supply stash, weapon token quest, etc. These were all great decisions by the company to make. (but perpetual bugs aren't)

    You also may want to rethink your first statement here. People are losing money on these packs because it's just like gambling in real life. They'd be better off in general making other investments, or haven't you looked at the statistics in the database on these packs? If you're talking about the ability to sell the packs for profit, well the non cash shoppers can just as well.

    There will never be an end to people pointing the finger to blame others for themselves being fail.



    First prove the economy is injured in any single way by them. It isn't: It's all in your whiney little "it's not my fault I fail" head. Instead of whining which isn't going to change anything, why not you gtfo? Only way you're going to send a clear message is by either quit paying for the game or quit playing the game.

    Ok well i guess i have to get offensive.

    1.Whats the difference between someone who was given something and someone who earned it?

    They know its worth and worked hard for it.

    2. Whats the difference between pre packs and now?

    The only people that complained were those that hated getting roflstomped by someone who got those endgame gears by working for it and were 2 lazy to work for them

    3. How did the packs hurt the economy and player base?

    Older players Ragequit, newer players get to high level and complain there is nothing to do, newest players say there was nothing wrong because their ignorant brains have nothing to base it on, and last but not least the F2P players suffer because since you can buy a Rapture chest for 1 coin if your lucky, gold prices for the neccesities went up ( Charms, Exp Scrolls, etc)

    Ignorant people i till ya
    Just don't. This is your final warning.
  • Egaenil - Heavens Tear
    Egaenil - Heavens Tear Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    you bending over in that fairy dress......

    omg Nosebleed! b:dirty

    b:shockedb:angry that's why I refuse to pick up stuff!!
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  • Xarathox - Dreamweaver
    Xarathox - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,657 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I love you Airyll. b:heart
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  • Loltank - Harshlands
    Loltank - Harshlands Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Guys, lay off of tweakz. You're just giving him what he wants.

    Tweakz is an old-school herc veno with a reputation as a troll. Responding to him is kinda pointless.
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  • _Ghostz_ - Archosaur
    _Ghostz_ - Archosaur Posts: 230 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Oh but the worst thing is I called this when they brought out the packs I said


    "The influx of coin and Oracling will make this into a Private Server in no time. It looks like they are trying to get their last money boost in" and low and behold look where we are now

    We got Hypers, 200millon coin items, and people who dont know how to play there classes....Man i hate being rightb:cry
    Just don't. This is your final warning.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    It skyrocketed for the worse, aka a plummet kinda like the American Economy. And no the majority dislikes packs but are forced to use them simply because of the competitive spirit in every gamer or human in that matter.

    American economy? Americans may find it harder to put food on their tables while PWI non cash shoppers find it easier to obtain Lunar Claws. -Bad comparison.
    These post are not to whine and complain but to lead the game in the right direction so the Gms can properly fix it.

    GMs can't fix it. Devs already have fixed it. I've already pointed out that gold was too cheap. They implemented a solution that worked.
    And yes the beginning of probably the end of our problems were the packs and how a cash shopper could in 10 minutes obtain something people farmed since the beginning of the game for (Lunar claws in HT is a prime example)

    How were people farming Lunar since lvl 1, and when has them not having a great advantage through cash shop items ever been non existent? Just getting a cash shop mount seriously speeds up the gainful progress in the game. Were you complaining about the advantage of guardian angels, dragon orbs, etc? They were there from the times I can remember. The packs haven't deterred me from farming the Helm of Holy Punishment or Dancing Sparkle. They haven't deterred me from my rank goals. I'm benefiting from them and don't see why others have a problem.
    If the packs were not implemented we wouldnt be having this conversation and 99% of the gaming population knows it

    Right, you'd be whining about something else. Every update people choose some new ridiculous thing to whine about whether it's a real problem or not.

    You clearly never played before packs, did you? Otherwise you would have realised that the gold price, that was on average about 100-120k per server before packs, was bumped up to 350k by the anniversary packs in the second time they were released.

    You're clearly ignoring what I wrote or trolling. I was obviously playing when gold was 100k per or else I wouldn't have had the ability to possibly make a living from playing the game. You guys are just being self centered and stupid for expecting this company to bend over and allow you to gain faster in game than if you went out and got a job to pay them for your stuff.

    Now, between the TW nerf and the DQ nerf and multiple x2 events flooding the market with drops that used to be worth something, playing this game for free is being driven to the realm of impossibility.

    BFS! Leveled a Sin from 1-3 in a few days and had ~1m to spare after skills. My veno continues to make a few mil a day. You're being absolutely ridiculous.
    and last but not least the F2P players suffer because since you can buy a Rapture chest for 1 coin if your lucky, gold prices for the neccesities went up ( Charms, Exp Scrolls, etc)

    Ignorant people i till ya

    F2P players aren't suffering at all. Charms, Exp scrolls a necessity? Sarcasm right?
    Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.
  • Magicgabe - Lost City
    Magicgabe - Lost City Posts: 225 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    People complain about packs don't realize how hard life was before. Flawless shards cost over a mill and getting a mill coin was hard. People had to grind for endless hours to get coin. Clerics were as poor as Congo due to MP charm costs. Now...

    We can pop better gems into sockets. This is hugely advantageous to caster classes who can not benefit as much from refines as heavy armored classes can.

    We can pop 5k pots making dungeon stuff actually affordable.

    Archers can get heaven shatter which is a saving grace for a gimped endgame class.

    Every physical attack class can get some sorta high dps or permaspark now. There was a time when BMs were considered half tank half DD but not really good at either. Now they get to be both.
    and bro...fyi this isn't a story.

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  • Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide
    Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide Posts: 770 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Fuzzy not going to voice an opinion one way or the other about the packs actually being good or bad, but....
    1.Whats the difference between someone who was given something and someone who earned it?

    They know its worth and worked hard for it.

    What Ghostz is saying here is a complaint me has read from probably 100's of posts. Many people seem to object to the fact no one needs to farm end-game gear anymore when they can just right click for it.

    Then out of the other side of their mouth these same people also say....
    You can't sit around and farm any more, as drops are barely worth anything for the time it can take to get them.

    You think people should need to work for their gear and then also say you yourself don't want to invest the time it takes to actually do it?

    Fuzzy has farmed alot of the end-game gear me has, and its not as if its that impossible, takes years, or bazillions of coins. Me didn't need to open a single pack to get a full set of Lunar Gold armour, recast 2 of them to Nirvana, or farm a cube neck and a frost chaos ring.

    It just takes effort and dedication. The state of the economy and the price of gold has absolutely no impact on faming the gear that is also available from a right click.

    Talk all you like about how the injection of coins from best luck has effected the price of gold, but the QQ about packs making end-game gear somehow unattainable unless you open one is just b.s.



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  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    People complain about packs don't realize how hard life was before. Flawless shards cost over a mill and getting a mill coin was hard. People had to grind for endless hours to get coin. Clerics were as poor as Congo due to MP charm costs. Now...

    We can pop better gems into sockets. This is hugely advantageous to caster classes who can not benefit as much from refines as heavy armored classes can.

    We can pop 5k pots making dungeon stuff actually affordable.

    Archers can get heaven shatter which is a saving grace for a gimped endgame class.

    Every physical attack class can get some sorta high dps or permaspark now. There was a time when BMs were considered half tank half DD but not really good at either. Now they get to be both.

    People who complain about people who complain about packs clearly don't read their posts:

    We object to Tokens of Best Luck, which inject 10 million coins into the game for not even 10% of the price you pay to to get them. We aren't complaining about the normal tokens to help get shards, or event food, and nobody ever has.

    Some of us don't even really complain about how packs have killed the need to farm in this game.

    We complain about the Tokens of Best Luck. And many of us were playing long before packs came out.
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  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    You think people should need to work for their gear and then also say you yourself don't want to invest the time it takes to actually do it?

    Fuzzy has farmed alot of the end-game gear me has, and its not as if its that impossible, takes years, or bazillions of coins. Me didn't need to open a single pack to get a full set of Lunar Gold armour, recast 2 of them to Nirvana, or farm a cube neck and a frost chaos ring.

    It just takes effort and dedication. The state of the economy and the price of gold has absolutely no impact on faming the gear that is also available from a right click.

    Talk all you like about how the injection of coins from best luck has effected the price of gold, but the QQ about packs making end-game gear somehow unattainable unless you open one is just b.s.



    b:avoid

    I never QQ'd about packs making end game gear. Before you accuse people of QQing, confirm what they were talking about.

    When I spoke about farming instances? I was talking about farming the mats for money, because the discussion had been about making money in game. Never once was I referring to the idea of farming mats for your gear - which is something I wholeheartedly support and am doing myself.

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  • Olba - Sanctuary
    Olba - Sanctuary Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    We can pop better gems into sockets. This is hugely advantageous to caster classes who can not benefit as much from refines as heavy armored classes can.

    Granted, the gems have definitely gotten better. I remember after I got to Archosaur soon after starting and seeing people who had immaculates in their sockets was kinda epic.
    We can pop 5k pots making dungeon stuff actually affordable.

    Well, there were the event foods from Jolly Old Jones before the packs. Granted, the supply was limited, but it was still usable.
    Archers can get heaven shatter which is a saving grace for a gimped endgame class.

    That's a good point. Before that, the options were pretty much limited to TT100, Rank 8, Rank 6 or the TT99 gold crossbow. And out of those, all but the TT99 gold crossbow cost more than the current price for a Lunar.
    Every physical attack class can get some sorta high dps or permaspark now. There was a time when BMs were considered half tank half DD but not really good at either. Now they get to be both.

    I remember that before the -interval gear was around, people pretty much considered axes to be the only way for a BM, since fists were crappy. And I remember reading up on BMs and seeing people call them "secondary tanks/DDs".

    Though, the whole permaspark thing can also be bad. For one, it makes people do instances like Nirvana and TTs really fast, which leads to nerfing that ability, which makes people rage. There's also the issue that sooner or later, you'll end up in a situation where people will start asking whether an Archer or a BM or Sin has 5 APS or not. Without it, an Archer is pretty much reduced to STA and Barrage, a BM is just a HF/Aura ***** and a Sin is nothing but BP, Subsea, Rib Strike and a lot of trouble.

    I do find it funny that people are so concerned about 2x ruining TT mat prices and packs pushing the gold prices up, but at the same time they're working towards being able to farm those same TTs at ridiculous speeds. And believe me, 2x drops doesn't have anything on a squad change from any other squad to Clerics + 5 APS DDs. The speed of the TTs will far more than double from such a change. And as can be seen by the recent changes, yes, they are trying to put a stop to that. Which makes it even more hilarious.

    It's kinda funny how the highest level instance in the game is being completed in a ridiculously fast manner by an actually well-geared party. Kinda makes you wonder what the heck happened to difficulty.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Tweaks, this is why I as well as many other people hate the packs:
    Sure, people are more likely to lose than gain on the packs if they are using ingame coins to buy them off merchants. But think about the people who bought packs directly from the boutique using RL money. If they get two best luck tokens, they just made 10M out of nowhere. If they sold gold instead of buying packs, coins are just being circulated between players.

    I like the tokens, they're great. I think it was kind of lame putting all the event gear in that they did, but that's not the issue most of us have with them.

    There are very few ways new coin is introduced into the economy. Perfect Tokens of Best Luck exchange for 10 Million Big Notes is the real issue that will affect the economy the most in the long run.
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