Cap on mag attribute?

I've seen quite a few wiz who put Vit. Me, I hate doing that. 10HP is next to nothing. You also have to watch your build very carefully if you put in Vit. If you have less than 3 points going into Mag every level, you won't be able to wield the highest possible equipment. Frankly I don't think Vit will even factor into a LA build.

As for the damage question, I haven't played long enough to figure out the formula, all I know is that the calculation is NOT linear. 5 Mag at Lv10 is not the same increase in damage as 5 mag at Lv90.

points in magic not only distribute your magic attack. So even if the contribution dmgwise gets lower with a higher value of mag you should also take the side effects of the stat into account.

points in mag increase your mana:

i was LA build up to 55 and then changed to pure build the huge difference didnt come in dmg which was only 250-300 / hit more but i gained 2000 more mana which was nice taking the high mana consumption of some the wiz skill into account

some skills are based on base magic / mana:

the lvl 100 skill adds (Mana / 100)% to your dmg so with a pure build here you will notice a difference.


comparing this to the output of putting points into other stats you will see that even if the dmg improvement doesnt seems to be worth it the additional benefits are


dex --> 20 points dex for 1% crit rate = useless unless you go for LA build where you put in like 100 points in total you wont benefit from the evasion neither because your total evasion will be too low anyway

vit --> +10hp and a ubertiny improvement in phys def --> 50 vit ( hybrid) = 500 hp which seems to be quite much in the beginning but wont really matter when people have refined gear later on

str --> you need some for armor but any point more in it wont benefit at all unless you want to melee people with your magic sword xD

HexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »

unfortunally it still sucks (no i dont have it)

dont know much about this skill but we had a discussion about it in another topic. Some say it sucks but i only took it as an example for skills depending on stats in mag

greetz oben0wne

Aquagirl - Raging Tide wrote: »

no need to be rocket scientist for this.
40 mag points added on top of another 40 will almost double your magic atk
40 mag points added on top of another 400 will add a 10% increase in theory, but I guess less on real build.
500 mag should be enough for lvl 100 as it multiplies all the bonuses from gear by 5 times.
If you add a +50 mag atk shard on your weapon, with 500 mag points you will see an increase of 250 in your magic atk (10000 before shard, 10250 after shard). If you refine your weapon and u gain 200 mag atk increase on weapon stats, that will be 1000 increase in your magic atk.

500 mag = 100 x5 points if you dont take extra +mag from items into account
starting out with 5 mag on lvl 1 this would mean to add 5 points 99 times to reach the 500 points here. But even with pure build you can donate less points into mag since you have to fullfill the min str requirements for armor so this "cap" wont be reached by lvl 105 anyway

= pure build 1str 9 mag every 2 lvls is the way to go

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

500 mag = 100 x5 points if you dont take extra +mag from items into account
starting out with 5 mag on lvl 1 this would mean to add 5 points 99 times to reach the 500 points here. But even with pure build you can donate less points into mag since you have to fullfill the min str requirements for armor so this "cap" wont be reached by lvl 105 anyway

= pure build 1str 9 mag every 2 lvls is the way to go

orly?
this is "almost" pure , as it has a few points in vit (taken from the forum here, using search)
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=e1cb132a0df04c90

could you please explain how minimum str for gear is not reached until level 105 if you go for 500 mag?


@fulgida if you consider weapon, magic attk changes a lot, but you still get a 30% increase, right? Depending on the adds on weapon you can get more or less, but here the math becomes to complicated. To keep it simple, without ornaments with +magic or rings, the magic damage you gain decreases asymptotically.
However, the gain at this point comes from the modifiers you get on magic dmg coming from rings and/or neck/belt. Take a NPC ring, put it on, take it off, see how much it modifies your magic attk. Then divide your magic points to 100 and multiply with the magic damage on ring and see how close those numbers are.

Aquagirl - Raging Tide wrote: »

@fulgida if you consider weapon, magic attk changes a lot, but you still get a 30% increase, right? Depending on the adds on weapon you can get more or less, but here the math becomes to complicated. To keep it simple, without ornaments with +magic or rings, the magic damage you gain decreases asymptotically.

I am not quite sure I understand your question here, but, yes: a 30%-ish increase to your magic attack from increased magic stays a 30% increase regardless of how strong your weapon is.

However, I feel I should share some of my perspective on this discussion. But I am in a hurry right now, so I will just say:

Magic attack is not your damage, it will always be just a component of your damage.

Percents can be deceptive sometimes, and you need to also look at how things actually work in battle.

Rated_PG - Harshlands wrote: »

now this is overpowered, all the best skills buffs on at one time, even at a 5-15 sec use, this is the best atm of the skills + sage spark

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=faf4a74d11d8a475

would anyone else love to have this character???....i would

every bored idiot under lvl 50 creates a dream endgame build sooner or later...this forum is full of them.
just FYI, those +20 vit stones can be found on private servers only. Maybe they will release them on official too in the future, but chars are already OP in PvE without those.
and if you like it so much, slide the CC and make it happen. I'm sure PWI will send you a Christmas card for it.

For a simple rough estimate of the impact of a point of magic, you can just add up all your gear's magic attack, then add your level to your gear (every level gives a natural +1 to your magic attack from gears). Divide that by 100 and you get a rough estimate of how much base m. attack every point of magic would give.

So yes double your magic and you get will generally get double base magic attack, but since base magic attack makes up only 1/3 of the total damage equation of any particular spell, it won't double your actual spell damage.

The better and more powerful your weapon is, the more base magic attack will matter since the fixed damage of a spell like gush is always 3390, while base magic and weapon attack % keeps going up.

So really a mage with TT90 isn't losing much by putting 50 in vit compared to a R8 +12 (I'd actually recommend it for most 9x mages to put 50 vit).