AA or LA

Hevlett - Sanctuary
Hevlett - Sanctuary Posts: 22 Arc User
edited August 2010 in Wizard
Hello
I was reading all these guides and cannot decide which armor type i should choose. In one guide says that AA is better, in PvP guide that i should consider LA only.. So which one ? b:bye
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  • DDEShare - Raging Tide
    DDEShare - Raging Tide Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Well, you're on a PVE server so it's your choice. PvP servers you don't have much choice, either get LA or get destroyed. LA replaces damage and Mdef for Pdef. You lose 3 mag every 2 levels. The extra Pdef with Stone Barrier is great, and against Magic mobs toss on Fire/Glacial. Me, I went AA simply because I enjoy damage. I've never liked tanking/meleeing, faraway nuking always appealed more. The survivability between the two in grinding normally is pretty much the same; 1 mob out of 30ish will hit me. I am not LA, but it is potentially possible for you to have to use 4 hits instead of 3 on a mob, which will mean you get hit once. Survivability really shows up when doing instances or PvP stuff like TW though. In the long run, LA is probably going to be cheaper, since you don't need Garnet shards anymore. AA is going to require more money to equal the Pdef of LA, but it's doable. In my opinion, in the very VERY long run, robe armor is better. I'm quite new to this game though, higher levels feel free to correct me :P
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  • Sun_Burn - Lost City
    Sun_Burn - Lost City Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Well, you're on a PVE server so it's your choice. PvP servers you don't have much choice, either get LA or get destroyed.

    its funny how I only see pve servers say this, yet almost all mages go pure here, or up to 50vit capped. LA is gonna do you squat diddly in pvp, you will still get hit like a truck, only you wont be able to DD like a truck.

    LA = somewhat better defense, gimp yourself in attack
    AA = about the same survival as LA, you hit big nimbers

    I rolled LA up to 40, was horrible, the only way it doesnt suck is if ur an archer/sin with high attack rate to kill w/e ur fighting be4 it **** u. After restatting I killed mobs be4 they even had a chance to touch me.
  • Saturday - Harshlands
    Saturday - Harshlands Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    its funny how I only see pve servers say this, yet almost all mages go pure here, or up to 50vit capped. LA is gonna do you squat diddly in pvp, you will still get hit like a truck, only you wont be able to DD like a truck.

    LA = somewhat better defense, gimp yourself in attack
    AA = about the same survival as LA, you hit big nimbers

    I rolled LA up to 40, was horrible, the only way it doesnt suck is if ur an archer/sin with high attack rate to kill w/e ur fighting be4 it **** u. After restatting I killed mobs be4 they even had a chance to touch me.

    The above text is void.

    As LA
    -You get better survivability due to higher HP and higher pdef
    -You still hit hard, although not as hard. The damage difference between LA and AA is often exaggerated
    -You will get a significant increase in your crit rate
    -You may not fare as well as AA in normal questing or grinding, but you will not die as much in dungeons like GV, FC.

    Those points apply for mages below 90.
    You will not really notice the difference as LA in pvp until 6x or 7x, where you get yourself decent 3*/mold gears.

    Even after 90, LA can still be considered an option if you dont have enough funds to get yourself good gears.
    Until you can get event gears like wings of cloudcharger, lunar rings, cube neck (TT90 gold neck can also be an option), warsong belt (can be replaced with vibrant jade: order as it gives a nice boost in pdef) and refine them to a decent level to get decent hp and pdef, going AA will still make you a 1-2 shots to physical classes even after 90.
  • LordPangu - Harshlands
    LordPangu - Harshlands Posts: 413 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    The above text is void.

    As LA
    -You get better survivability due to higher HP and higher pdef
    -You still hit hard, although not as hard. The damage difference between LA and AA is often exaggerated
    -You will get a significant increase in your crit rate
    -You may not fare as well as AA in normal questing or grinding, but you will not die as much in dungeons like GV, FC.

    Those points apply for mages below 90.
    You will not really notice the difference as LA in pvp until 6x or 7x, where you get yourself decent 3*/mold gears.

    Even after 90, LA can still be considered an option if you dont have enough funds to get yourself good gears.
    Until you can get event gears like wings of cloudcharger, lunar rings, cube neck (TT90 gold neck can also be an option), warsong belt (can be replaced with vibrant jade: order as it gives a nice boost in pdef) and refine them to a decent level to get decent hp and pdef, going AA will still make you a 1-2 shots to physical classes even after 90.

    Green means good points (the darker the better) and red means "I disagree".


    I have been playing wizzard for a while despite being only level 94, and I have seen and felt loads of things during my time. LA is very different from Arcane and your damage specially at level 90 when u get ur TT90 gear and weapon is considerably lower. The difference in physical defence could be higher but for the sake of equilibrium a LA wizzie would have only slightly more HP and a difference of 3-4% defence reduction compared to the AA, if the LA sharded the gear properly. This indicates that as LA wizzard you wouldnt be doing ur job properly and would make u look more like a venomancer without a pet than really a Wizzard.

    As for PvP LA has the capability of surviving melee and physical classes better than the AA but not that much better if the AA is geared properly. You dont need a Wings of Cloudcharger and lunar rings to not be a one shot, you just need to gear urself wisely. The AA can actually kill high HP and high defence targets in PvP while the LA would have a much harder time and could even not be able to kill if the opponent is skilled and prepared.

    My suggestion is, go with LA and restat to AA when you get to level 90, or if you dont wanna buy reset scrolls just go AA all the way and put some vit ranging from 20-50. (Only put up to 30-50 vit if your going to refine ur weapon to at least +5 which is pretty easy lol)
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  • Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear
    Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    AA > LA

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  • Abysm - Heavens Tear
    Abysm - Heavens Tear Posts: 231 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    LA til 90.
  • Sun_Burn - Lost City
    Sun_Burn - Lost City Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Green means good points (the darker the better) and red means "I disagree".


    I have been playing wizzard for a while despite being only level 94, and I have seen and felt loads of things during my time. LA is very different from Arcane and your damage specially at level 90 when u get ur TT90 gear and weapon is considerably lower. The difference in physical defence could be higher but for the sake of equilibrium a LA wizzie would have only slightly more HP and a difference of 3-4% defence reduction compared to the AA, if the LA sharded the gear properly. This indicates that as LA wizzard you wouldnt be doing ur job properly and would make u look more like a venomancer without a pet than really a Wizzard.

    As for PvP LA has the capability of surviving melee and physical classes better than the AA but not that much better if the AA is geared properly. You dont need a Wings of Cloudcharger and lunar rings to not be a one shot, you just need to gear urself wisely. The AA can actually kill high HP and high defence targets in PvP while the LA would have a much harder time and could even not be able to kill if the opponent is skilled and prepared.

    My suggestion is, go with LA and restat to AA when you get to level 90, or if you dont wanna buy reset scrolls just go AA all the way and put some vit ranging from 20-50. (Only put up to 30-50 vit if your going to refine ur weapon to at least +5 which is pretty easy lol)

    I agree with most of that except for what I bolded; if this is a pvp server I highly doubt you will be be participating in any pvp pre- lvl 90, 80 at minimum. So I have to ask, why gimp yourself and level slower due to lack of damage output if you go LA for the first 80-90 levels? Go arcane, get 20-50 vit and power lvl til 40 for BH's + other dailies.
  • Aquagirl - Raging Tide
    Aquagirl - Raging Tide Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    there is no new PvP server launched and on older PvP servers AA or HA won't make any difference - you will still be one-shot to basically everyone until you get to 99 with refine event gear+weapon+ornaments.
    PvE is always AA...there is no reason to go LA.
  • Tsuyoginos - Heavens Tear
    Tsuyoginos - Heavens Tear Posts: 133 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I was LA, and I died, a lot in PvE. I resttated to AA at level 47 or so and haven't looked back. At such low levels, the little bit of pdef you get does **** (yes, I had Stone Barrier on). In PvE, you just need to learn how to play your class and you're set. IF you know, you won't die in dungeons, unless there's a killer aoe. However, people will normally tell you to watch out for it (clerics don't like to rez while having to heal a tank b:surrender), and it's your choice whether or not to listen, or ask questions if no one tells you...
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  • Saturday - Harshlands
    Saturday - Harshlands Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    To LordPangu
    a LA wizzie would have only slightly more HP
    Not true to a certain extent. LA wiz should have a significant amount of HP more than a AA wiz. An average AA user fills sockets with pdef shards while a LA user fills with HP shards.
    In addition, refines on LA gives slightly more hp than AA. Lastly, the ability for LA to equip HP Helm gives LA user quite a fair bit of HP more than AA.

    Your statement is true only when the AA user is fully sharded with HP shards which lowers the pdef of a AA user considerably.
    For an average player, AA can EITHER have similar pdef (while having crappy HP)as LA OR have similar(still a little lower actually) HP as LA (while having crappy pdef)
    Either way, the AA user still lacks survivability to physical classes (most of the classes are physical)

    This brings me back to my previous post. Unless you are rich enough to get enough pdef from ornaments to match that of LA, going AA will make you very squishy
    LA is very different from Arcane and your damage specially at level 90 when u get ur TT90 gear and weapon is considerably lower.
    It isnt considerably lower. I believe research has been done for this by someone and it has shown that its only around 10-15% difference in damage. Even then, the crit factor wasnt taken into account. LA has 4% crit more which equates to 4% more damage (not considering bypassing of charm factor that crit gives). This further reduces the damage gap between LA and AA.




    And to the rest that thinks going LA (for pve) isnt of any good:
    If I am not wrong, for the 75-85 GV, LA wizards are prefered over AA wizards. With lower damage, you have a lower chance of getting aggro-ed. Even when you got the aggro from the mobs, there is a better chance to survive as LA.

    This can also be applied to FC 85+ when your party isnt very pro (you dont get pro party all the time).
  • Hevlett - Sanctuary
    Hevlett - Sanctuary Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    well i decided to go with AA..now i have no problem kill mobs, they usually die before reach me.. I guess i can kill fast now.
    Ty vm guys for ur opinions b:kiss

    Im going with only 5 vit, and i saw someone (cant check atm) recomended to get 30-50 vit. So is it necessary?(PvE and instances only)

    I have other questions too. I like my wiz vm, but dunno if its good at later lvls (lvl89+). I mean, is it possible to solo with him tt (solo or squad mode), nirvana?

    I have a barb and at lvl75 i had no prob soloing Krixxix (boss near Orchid Temple).. At what lvl can wiz solo him? (just wanna compare)

    Btw, im not a cashshoper and never will be one.
  • Saturday - Harshlands
    Saturday - Harshlands Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Since you are more to the PvE side (which I think you probably are from what you've just posted), AA is a much better choice.


    And back to your question.

    No, wizards cannot solo TT and nirvana

    I am not very sure about the specific level where you can solo krixxix. You should be able to solo that boss at level 4x-5x. With high magic resist and the additional 100% water resist from glacial embrace, its much easier for a wizard to tank him.
  • Aquagirl - Raging Tide
    Aquagirl - Raging Tide Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    To LordPangu

    Not true to a certain extent. LA wiz should have a significant amount of HP more than a AA wiz. An average AA user fills sockets with pdef shards while a LA user fills with HP shards.
    In addition, refines on LA gives slightly more hp than AA. Lastly, the ability for LA to equip HP Helm gives LA user quite a fair bit of HP more than AA.

    Your statement is true only when the AA user is fully sharded with HP shards which lowers the pdef of a AA user considerably.
    For an average player, AA can EITHER have similar pdef (while having crappy HP)as LA OR have similar(still a little lower actually) HP as LA (while having crappy pdef)
    Either way, the AA user still lacks survivability to physical classes (most of the classes are physical)

    This brings me back to my previous post. Unless you are rich enough to get enough pdef from ornaments to match that of LA, going AA will make you very squishy


    It isnt considerably lower. I believe research has been done for this by someone and it has shown that its only around 10-15% difference in damage. Even then, the crit factor wasnt taken into account. LA has 4% crit more which equates to 4% more damage (not considering bypassing of charm factor that crit gives). This further reduces the damage gap between LA and AA.




    And to the rest that thinks going LA (for pve) isnt of any good:
    If I am not wrong, for the 75-85 GV, LA wizards are prefered over AA wizards. With lower damage, you have a lower chance of getting aggro-ed. Even when you got the aggro from the mobs, there is a better chance to survive as LA.

    This can also be applied to FC 85+ when your party isnt very pro (you dont get pro party all the time).

    You are so wrong...
    You're just talking from hearsay and some kind of opinions you think you might have about the game.
    90+ is where LA is not worth it for wizards anymore. 95 is where you need to be Emo to still stay LA.
    10-15% damage difference? add at least 10% on top of that an come back later.

    and to back up my words:
    AA at 91
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=1018e314410a4070
    LA at 91
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ff1d11e9623baf6d

    can you please explain to me where is that awsome HP advantage and where is the defense advantage on the LA side?
    Pdef is 1% damage reduction on the LA side.
    mdef is -4% damage reduction on LA side (yes, u can refine the ornaments too, won't help going over 68%
    Let's call that even ground.

    LA has 200 HP advantage over AA unbuffed, 300+ HP buffed at the cost of an average magic atk of 6200 for LA and 7600 for AA.
    Since wizard is by definition a DPH with some DPS abilities class, I want you to explain me here why should I give up 1400 magic dmg/hit in exchange of 200 HP.
  • /Groovy/ - Harshlands
    /Groovy/ - Harshlands Posts: 688 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Light armor is a bad choice for wizard.

    At lower levels you don't want to use it because it only will slow down your leveling while high level PKers will kill you anyway.

    At middle levels a lot of magic damage mobs will appear in quests and BHs, and those will hurt. You will use loads of mana pots as well. In PvP you will still get killed by high levels.

    At higher levels you will want to try GV or FC and you will find out that killing things fast is extremely important there.

    At end game: TT90 + Stone Barrier = all Pdef you need to PvP.


    LA is for baddies who can't kite, use FoW and sleep, etc.
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  • LordPangu - Harshlands
    LordPangu - Harshlands Posts: 413 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Ty for reminding me of pwcalc to confirm some stuff.
    To LordPangu

    Not true to a certain extent. LA wiz should have a significant amount of HP more than a AA wiz. An average AA user fills sockets with pdef shards while a LA user fills with HP shards.
    In addition, refines on LA gives slightly more hp than AA. Lastly, the ability for LA to equip HP Helm gives LA user quite a fair bit of HP more than AA.
    Your statement is true only when the AA user is fully sharded with HP shards which lowers the pdef of a AA user considerably.
    For an average player, AA can EITHER have similar pdef (while having crappy HP)as LA OR have similar(still a little lower actually) HP as LA (while having crappy pdef)
    Either way, the AA user still lacks survivability to physical classes (most of the classes are physical)
    This brings me back to my previous post. Unless you are rich enough to get enough pdef from ornaments to match that of LA, going AA will make you very squishy
    It isnt considerably lower. I believe research has been done for this by someone and it has shown that its only around 10-15% difference in damage. Even then, the crit factor wasnt taken into account. LA has 4% crit more which equates to 4% more damage (not considering bypassing of charm factor that crit gives). This further reduces the damage gap between LA and AA.
    And to the rest that thinks going LA (for pve) isnt of any good:
    If I am not wrong, for the 75-85 GV, LA wizards are prefered over AA wizards. With lower damage, you have a lower chance of getting aggro-ed. Even when you got the aggro from the mobs, there is a better chance to survive as LA.

    This can also be applied to FC 85+ when your party isnt very pro (you dont get pro party all the time).

    I respect your opinion but its wrong. PWcalc apparently is not really accurate but can show the differences between a decent geared LA wizz and decent geared AA wizz at level 90 -->LA http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ef7366222515c27d and --> AA http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=5ebf97dc30301318

    Note the difference in damage between the 2, and I was accurate about the difference in physical def which is only of 4% on this case and HP difference is of about 400.
    They both reach 4k HP and they both reach more than 57% physical def reduction so in PvP they have similar defence even though the LA is only slightly better. But the damage difference is very notable. So that u have any clue of how big is the difference between their damage, if the LA refined the weapon to +10 still would have lower dmg than the AA that has 30 base vit and +5 weapon. About the PvE ur wrong or ur delusional. I have always been AA and I have done over 50 GV gamma and I can tell u I never had problems except when I was the highest level or every1else dmg sucked so much that I agrroed without weapon.
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  • fulgida
    fulgida Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    10-15% damage difference? add at least 10% on top of that an come back later.

    and to back up my words:
    AA at 91
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=1018e314410a4070
    LA at 91
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ff1d11e9623baf6d

    If i ignore defenses, which will not change the ratios but which makes analysis simpler:

    sage gush with your arcane wizard will do 11714..12867 damage, with a 3% critical hit chance.

    sage gush with your light armor wizard will do 10458..11416 damage, with a 6% critical hit chance.

    To me, that looks like an average damage difference of about 9%.
  • Aquagirl - Raging Tide
    Aquagirl - Raging Tide Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    yup, 10% on a gush.
    number might not be that impressive at 90 strictly, but it matters in every instance and quest you do.
    And it gets worse and worse every level from then up.
    95 is where LA becomes abismal compared to AA
  • Saturday - Harshlands
    Saturday - Harshlands Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    You are so wrong...
    You're just talking from hearsay and some kind of opinions you think you might have about the game.
    90+ is where LA is not worth it for wizards anymore. 95 is where you need to be Emo to still stay LA.
    10-15% damage difference? add at least 10% on top of that an come back later.

    and to back up my words:
    AA at 91
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=1018e314410a4070
    LA at 91
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ff1d11e9623baf6d

    can you please explain to me where is that awsome HP advantage and where is the defense advantage on the LA side?
    Pdef is 1% damage reduction on the LA side.
    mdef is -4% damage reduction on LA side (yes, u can refine the ornaments too, won't help going over 68%
    Let's call that even ground.

    LA has 200 HP advantage over AA unbuffed, 300+ HP buffed at the cost of an average magic atk of 6200 for LA and 7600 for AA.
    Since wizard is by definition a DPH with some DPS abilities class, I want you to explain me here why should I give up 1400 magic dmg/hit in exchange of 200 HP.

    lol@tt90 green necklace and mp helm for LA mage
    Let me correct your build a little
    LA:
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=9683645d95cbdc7d

    AA:
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=9c6aa9261d3ec905
  • Saturday - Harshlands
    Saturday - Harshlands Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Light armor is a bad choice for wizard.

    At lower levels you don't want to use it because it only will slow down your leveling while high level PKers will kill you anyway.

    At middle levels a lot of magic damage mobs will appear in quests and BHs, and those will hurt. You will use loads of mana pots as well. In PvP you will still get killed by high levels.

    At higher levels you will want to try GV or FC and you will find out that killing things fast is extremely important there.

    At end game: TT90 + Stone Barrier = all Pdef you need to PvP.


    LA is for baddies who can't kite, use FoW and sleep, etc.

    Yes, if you start late in the server, in PvP you will still get killed by high levels. But I am pretty sure at LA at the earlier levels eg.60-90, you can survive hits from players 5-10 levels higher than you whereas as AA, you will just die before you could do anything.

    And for the GV and FC point. Your 10-15% damage difference will not be much of a difference. Besides there are other dds around, making the difference even more negligible.

    You either lack HP or Pdef to PvP.

    I am sorry but I seriously think you dont pvp much. From your last statement, I think your "pvp" equates to duel where you can fow, sleep, distrant shrink without even getting a single hit from the enemy and win the duel.

    In pvp, charm plays a part, if you did not manage to kill the opponent after fow sleep etc, you dont have anymore control skills so you WILL get hit.

    Pvp is not always 1v1. In mass pvp, you WILL get hit. As LA, you take hits better
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Yes, if you start late in the server, in PvP you will still get killed by high levels. But I am pretty sure at LA at the earlier levels eg.60-90, you can survive hits from players 5-10 levels higher than you whereas as AA, you will just die before you could do anything.

    And for the GV and FC point. Your 10-15% damage difference will not be much of a difference. Besides there are other dds around, making the difference even more negligible.

    You either lack HP or Pdef to PvP.

    I am sorry but I seriously think you dont pvp much. From your last statement, I think your "pvp" equates to duel where you can fow, sleep, distrant shrink without even getting a single hit from the enemy and win the duel.

    In pvp, charm plays a part, if you did not manage to kill the opponent after fow sleep etc, you dont have anymore control skills so you WILL get hit.

    Pvp is not always 1v1. In mass pvp, you WILL get hit. As LA, you take hits better

    You do realize that you can shard pdef with arcane and put 50-100 vit in to have more hp/pdef/mdef/damage than LA right? Just throwing that out there.
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  • Saturday - Harshlands
    Saturday - Harshlands Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Ty for reminding me of pwcalc to confirm some stuff.


    I respect your opinion but its wrong. PWcalc apparently is not really accurate but can show the differences between a decent geared LA wizz and decent geared AA wizz at level 90 -->LA http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ef7366222515c27d and --> AA http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=5ebf97dc30301318

    Note the difference in damage between the 2, and I was accurate about the difference in physical def which is only of 4% on this case and HP difference is of about 400.
    They both reach 4k HP and they both reach more than 57% physical def reduction so in PvP they have similar defence even though the LA is only slightly better. But the damage difference is very notable. So that u have any clue of how big is the difference between their damage, if the LA refined the weapon to +10 still would have lower dmg than the AA that has 30 base vit and +5 weapon. About the PvE ur wrong or ur delusional. I have always been AA and I have done over 50 GV gamma and I can tell u I never had problems except when I was the highest level or every1else dmg sucked so much that I agrroed without weapon.

    Your actual damage depends on 3 factors, your magic attack, your weapon damage and the spell damage. As AA, you only increases your magic attack, the other 2 factors remain the same. Thus, the small difference between LA and AA. I highly doubt that a +10 weapon on LA will still have lower damage than AA at +5. This may be true for gush and pyro. But for spells like BIDS, Blade Tempest, Sandstorm which highly depends on your weapon damage, that should not be true.

    And as for the links to the builds, dont use the one aquagirl did. She had no clue on what LA wears
  • Saturday - Harshlands
    Saturday - Harshlands Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    You do realize that you can shard pdef with arcane and put 50-100 vit in to have more hp/pdef/mdef/damage than LA right? Just throwing that out there.
    You 'll end up with negligible difference in damage and pdef compared to LA while still having lower HP than LA. And lower crit
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    You 'll end up with negligible difference in damage and pdef compared to LA while still having lower HP than LA. And lower crit

    The damage will be slightly higher, the pdef will be about the same (well depends on the gear), mdef will be way higher, hp will be significantly higher, and crit will be 5% less (tops) using AA with vit.
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  • fulgida
    fulgida Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    You 'll end up with negligible difference in damage and pdef compared to LA while still having lower HP than LA. And lower crit

    I took your two builds and moved a lot of points from magic into vitality for your arcane wizard:

    Arcane: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=b035eff3601d36c9
    5683-6471 magic attack
    6503 HP
    8365 Physical Defense
    9076+ elemental resist
    3% critical hit

    Light armor: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=9683645d95cbdc7d
    5625-6404 magic attack
    6384 HP
    8084 Physical Defense
    6802+ elemental resist
    6% critical hit

    Light armor, to me, does not look like it has any increased survivability over the arcane build. It does, however, have an extra 3% critical hit chance.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I was LA until level 88. And im now arcane. I pretty much did most of the wizzie builds. 3 vit, 50 vit and LA.

    The damage difference between LA and Arcane was barely noticable before i switch at level 88.

    I think i did 10k with gush and then when i went arcane i did 11k. In PvP it wasnt really noticable. I did die a lot more in TW but it was to phys atks instead of mag atks but at 88 i **** arcane gear i threw together. When i was LA there was only 1 BM that could kill me due to the fact it was early on in the server. When i came back after anni packs it was much different and arcane became more appealing with all the people with high magic attack. LA is still viable and a rather cheap option for levels 70-90.
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  • LordPangu - Harshlands
    LordPangu - Harshlands Posts: 413 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Your actual damage depends on 3 factors, your magic attack, your weapon damage and the spell damage. As AA, you only increases your magic attack, the other 2 factors remain the same. Thus, the small difference between LA and AA. I highly doubt that a +10 weapon on LA will still have lower damage than AA at +5. This may be true for gush and pyro. But for spells like BIDS, Blade Tempest, Sandstorm which highly depends on your weapon damage, that should not be true.

    And as for the links to the builds, dont use the one aquagirl did. She had no clue on what LA wears

    I didnt take the links used by aquagirl, instead I made some new ones which I used to support my statement. Check that:
    LA Wizzard http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=00ace17171f4dbde
    Wheel of denied fate at +10 on a LA wizzard would give
    6194-7545

    AA Wizzard http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=7626873e83d3882f
    Wheel of denied fate at +5 on a AA wizzard would give
    6176-7899



    Both have the same rings, and both have full TT90 gear set but the dmg doesnt come even close and look at the HP, 400 HP difference only and the AA still has 4k+ HP.

    Thats Arcane Armour user for you m8.b:thanks
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  • Saturday - Harshlands
    Saturday - Harshlands Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I didnt take the links used by aquagirl, instead I made some new ones which I used to support my statement. Check that:
    LA Wizzard http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=00ace17171f4dbde
    Wheel of denied fate at +10 on a LA wizzard would give
    6194-7545

    AA Wizzard http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=7626873e83d3882f
    Wheel of denied fate at +5 on a AA wizzard would give
    6176-7899



    Both have the same rings, and both have full TT90 gear set but the dmg doesnt come even close and look at the HP, 400 HP difference only and the AA still has 4k+ HP.

    Thats Arcane Armour user for you m8.b:thanks

    Like I said, that is only magic attack, its not the only factor that decides your actuall damage. With much higher weapon damage, spells on LA with +10 weap would definitely do more damage than AA+5.

    And as for your build, it has similar problem with aquagirl's, LA doesnt use MP Helm. Change it to 68 mold helm.
  • LordPangu - Harshlands
    LordPangu - Harshlands Posts: 413 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Like I said, that is only magic attack, its not the only factor that decides your actuall damage. With much higher weapon damage, spells on LA with +10 weap would definitely do more damage than AA+5.

    And as for your build, it has similar problem with aquagirl's, LA doesnt use MP Helm. Change it to 68 mold helm.

    AA wizzard with the same refinement as LA, the AA user would do considerably higher dmg. As for the Helmet, you would get around 600 more HP than the AA user.
    LA is not the way to go as soon as you start gearing urself with g11+ gear but it was proven to be decent at lower levels. But since most PvP occurs around level 9x+ nowadays, it is a waste to go LA and then restat AA.

    EDIT: Oh and u were right about +10 on LA doing higher dmg than +5 on AA, sorry for my lack of attention.
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  • LordPangu - Harshlands
    LordPangu - Harshlands Posts: 413 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    To finish the thread, the OP should go with AA all the way and the Wizzard who posted a guide about "LA build" didnt experience end game enough to base his knowledge in.
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    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited August 2010
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