Melee Fox Form; What's it like?

Lonedirewolf - Heavens Tear
Lonedirewolf - Heavens Tear Posts: 26 Arc User
edited August 2010 in Venomancer
I'm curious since I feel like trying out other classes for the fun of it :-)

I never been much of a caster, but I love being somewhat animal-like. Turning into a feral animal makes me rush to the site and download the game.

I heard there is the "heavy armor" build for the Veno's where you can do melee DPS in fox form.
It's best to try it out myself, but I like some opinions and info on it first ^_^
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Don't try it as someone who's new. It's expensive and requires some good skill to be able to pull it off successfully. I'd recommend you start off with that Barb if it's the animal factor you're going for and, once you get a feel for the game as well as get used to merchanting or make it to a high enough level to farm gears with ease, then start up the venomancer.

    If you really want to give it a shot early on, though, then a good place to start is the sticky located here.
  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Lonedirewolf - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I'm curious since I feel like trying out other classes for the fun of it :-)

    I never been much of a caster, but I love being somewhat animal-like. Turning into a feral animal makes me rush to the site and download the game.

    I heard there is the "heavy armor" build for the Veno's where you can do melee DPS in fox form.
    It's best to try it out myself, but I like some opinions and info on it first ^_^

    melee mastery is important for fox venoes, life leech, purge, amplify damage, and ironwood scarab as well. Mainly I auto attack as veno, no need for pots at all b:cute
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  • Silest - Sanctuary
    Silest - Sanctuary Posts: 816 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    You cannot use ironwood scarab in foxform.
  • Lonedirewolf - Heavens Tear
    Lonedirewolf - Heavens Tear Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    truekossy wrote: »
    Don't try it as someone who's new. It's expensive and requires some good skill to be able to pull it off successfully. I'd recommend you start off with that Barb if it's the animal factor you're going for and, once you get a feel for the game as well as get used to merchanting or make it to a high enough level to farm gears with ease, then start up the venomancer.

    If you really want to give it a shot early on, though, then a good place to start is the sticky located here.

    I see; not a recommended build for new players like myself, Gotcha there.

    I'll keep up with my barb then :-)
  • Silvia_Xenth - Lost City
    Silvia_Xenth - Lost City Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    cheapest way would we la 2 DO IN FOXFORM 3mag 1str 1dex every lv at least untill much higher lv.

    but 2 we a succesfull fox u need 2 we able 2 invest coin becouse not a single fox is the same and i dont mean the caster who tyrn 2 fox just 2 amp.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Silvia_Xenth - Lost City wrote: »
    cheapest way would we la 2 DO IN FOXFORM 3mag 1str 1dex every lv at least untill much higher lv.

    but 2 we a succesfull fox u need 2 we able 2 invest coin becouse not a single fox is the same and i dont mean the caster who tyrn 2 fox just 2 amp.


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  • Shulkie - Dreamweaver
    Shulkie - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,529 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    i think tweakz is saying in his own inimical way is that your (silvia) post is so badly written as to be unintelligible...

    or he has had a stroke...

    or is secretly either bill or ben of the flower pot men...
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  • xxxdsmer
    xxxdsmer Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    if you were to do a LA or even HA veno, you wouldnt really want to run around meleeing everything anyway. sure i do it sometimes (HA/AA veno myself) but usually only on increased mag res mobs, and i always amp and single spark on those to minimize the number of melee hits i have to do to bring that mob down quickly.

    i'm not sure about my hh70 magicsword, but i think with my hh60 ancient arbor, it cost 5 coins on repair cost for any attack that was done with the weapon (which is far more than a same lvl axe or anything else... except maybe archer's ranged weapons counting ammo cost per attack) aka: wether a veno casts venomous or parasitic it costs 5+ coins per attack, take that weapon into foxform with 1.25atk/sec (for non pataka mag wpns) and that racks up some repair cost real quick, and not to mention for far less damage than the human skills do per attack.

    if you really like the whole changing into an animal and stuff like you said in the first post, i'd suggest sticking with barbarian, you'll like that alot better than veno of any build b:victory
    i'm pro all classes, and against none in particular..
    but the age old QQ about venos is just that. OLD.
    QQ'd about a nix lately? check out this thread n tell me who's "OP" lol..
    (copy and paste this to address bar):
    pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=102172
  • Myalt - Raging Tide
    Myalt - Raging Tide Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    bloo bla bub doo da dah!

    I agree. ^^
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  • drjiggle
    drjiggle Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Silest - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You cannot use ironwood scarab in foxform.

    That's true, but as a physical defense debuff, it's an important skill for a fox form oriented venomancer.
  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    A pet with Pierce can substitute for Ironwood for the dedicated foxform veno.
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  • Lonedirewolf - Heavens Tear
    Lonedirewolf - Heavens Tear Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Everyone's giving great info ^_^

    Since I should heed few of the warnings, I should take some notes for when I'm set for leveling a fox oriented veno. I will be using a good pet likely designated for melee and avoid becoming a fail on my build or spells.
  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    A sample mid-level heavy/arcane fox build (my current main):

    Max pdef

    Max patk

    Max matk/mdef

    I also have a few other equipment pieces I can switch around to, say, have good pdef and matk.
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  • Silvia_Xenth - Lost City
    Silvia_Xenth - Lost City Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=b0897d62a27c0247 try make this build if u can.

    ps who cares what a noob tweak says she/he dares not come 2 the real server anyways
    all she/he is talk bla
  • Blade__Queen - Heavens Tear
    Blade__Queen - Heavens Tear Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Silvia_Xenth - Lost City wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=b0897d62a27c0247 try make this build if u can.

    that build doesn't make sense to me, you have all that strength and dex and all i can see is you wearing arcane gear? whats with all the str and dex then??? maybe im seeing things wrong, and tbh that has to be one damn expensive build, rank 8 leggins lunar weapon 2x lunar rings heaven rage boots, seriously to make that guna cost a good billion coins, you know how expensive rank 8 is?
  • Maddieson - Sanctuary
    Maddieson - Sanctuary Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I am also trying a heavy venomancer. In the lower levels, the key is to choose higher grade armour, or higher grade attack. Eventually, you'll get enough cash and skill to farm yourself gear to match your own build so that you can have both attack and defense.
    It's not my job to shut you down on a suggestion. It's a pleasure, though.
  • Silvia_Xenth - Lost City
    Silvia_Xenth - Lost City Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    u havent seen it wrong cos as i see it its simular 2 the HA fox build only diff is that intead of looking for str stats 2 wear heavy i go with all garnet and look for the pdef arcane gear i can find.

    this way i have high stats of bouth words tho this build i dont like cos 5k hp will just **** my hp charm fast.

    right now i have 2850 hp and my charm last months if i dont goof around.

    srry i was showing a simular build 2 what i want i only could show this tho cos that what i could find that would we simular 2 what i want it 2 we.

    Need 2 think on how to make my phys attack higher then that and lower hp but with as high stats as it is in there almost anyways.

    and yeah it will we expensie but why its will we fun tho right now i dnt have the coin 2 even get 2 lv90 yet 2 even start 2 get the gear i want like the rings.

    refines +7 might we low and the garnet immac it wont we ill get much better garnet .

    knew this is ultimally a end game build and us such well i for one will invest in it.

    ps i play purely as fox with few human skill that are a nesecity.

    srry if my writing sux i am just trying 2 show my end game build that all.
    b:victory peace
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    There is no best of both, it's more like "suck at both". Most of the time (~95%) you're better off being either strong at mag or patk.
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  • Silvia_Xenth - Lost City
    Silvia_Xenth - Lost City Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    i am talking about taking damage as per tanking damage not doing damage.

    before i even made silvia i done like 6 venos with different stats even tryed a HA fox
    and yeah was hard but now days immac aint that hard 2 obtain and in robe would make u like a tanking robe fox.

    anyways u like casting and being pure fine why me go for it if its what u wana do.

    strongest boss i tanked was gargatong without pet tanking but me in my foxform
    with bb not saying a barb wasent a better choice but i wanted 2 try and no barb in sight
    and a lv100 cleric bb shame i only hade 12l pdef in foxfrom fully buffed b:bye.

    anything is posible
  • Regenbogen - Lost City
    Regenbogen - Lost City Posts: 1,559 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    bloo bla bub doo da dah!

    you are right...LA fails for melee
    i am waiting for you my little flagcarriers b:kiss
  • Blade__Queen - Heavens Tear
    Blade__Queen - Heavens Tear Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    if that is your end game build, yeah but i still dnt understand the point of the str and dex if ur pure arcane.
  • Silvia_Xenth - Lost City
    Silvia_Xenth - Lost City Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    who said i was pure arcane as fox i dont need magic spell when i can do melee damage
    plz not every veno wana play caster some wana do melee damage in foxform and enjoy the fun of it.

    i am purely foxform in arcne cos i want better mag resistant and with garnet i have higher pdef look at the calculator.

    dex is for acc as 5 dex will make me miss and it wont we fun at all.

    we all knew fox build differ from each ather i am AA/HA fox



    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=06a62bccb0e73651

    maybe this is better hmm i dono still loking for the right build taht would suit my foxform
    play style.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Silvia_Xenth - Lost City wrote: »
    who said i was pure arcane as fox i dont need magic spell when i can do melee damage
    plz not every veno wana play caster some wana do melee damage in foxform and enjoy the fun of it.

    i am purely foxform in arcne cos i want better mag resistant and with garnet i have higher pdef look at the calculator.

    dex is for acc as 5 dex will make me miss and it wont we fun at all.

    we all knew fox build differ from each ather i am AA/HA fox



    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=06a62bccb0e73651

    maybe this is better hmm i dono still loking for the right build taht would suit my foxform
    play style.

    Looks like the same problem as LA. Rather than excel at patk or matk: suck at both.
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Silvia_Xenth - Lost City wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=06a62bccb0e73651
    You're using the Rank 8 pants. If you can get those, you can get the Rank 8 weapon. Slower attacks than a magic sword, but since you don't have any -interval gear it won't matter. Its matk and patk blow away the build you have listed.
  • Lonedirewolf - Heavens Tear
    Lonedirewolf - Heavens Tear Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Maddieson - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I am also trying a heavy venomancer. In the lower levels, the key is to choose higher grade armour, or higher grade attack. Eventually, you'll get enough cash and skill to farm yourself gear to match your own build so that you can have both attack and defense.

    I'll do that ^_^

    My bf and I will be playing venos together; a LA and HA. I'm HA and I'm liking it a bit b:pleased At least there'll be two pets and an pwing mage to help out :-D

    I'll keep this in mind.

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