Deicides?

TheMuffinMan - Dreamweaver
TheMuffinMan - Dreamweaver Posts: 9 Arc User
edited July 2010 in Assassin
I was wondering if aquiring Deicides for my sin, so that i will have 5 APS, is a good idea or just a waste.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Would probably be a waste if you can afford more intervals down the road. 2.5 based aps is one of the few if not only occasion where stating to fists will dramatically help your dps output (0.1 extra turns 3.33 sparked to 5.0 sparked). If you don't plan on staying at this attack speed and is working towards full interval, I'd suggest don't bother. You'll save the trouble of restating.
  • _Leif - Lost City
    _Leif - Lost City Posts: 369 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I'm actually wondering this myself. Deicides are the easy route for a sin to join the 5 aps club, as you can get 5 aps with HH 99 gold gear, lunar cape, and rank armor alone. With daggers that's only 2.86 aps (demon spark). Now, since daggers definitely have more damage per hit than fists, 2.86 aps is more potent than 5 aps if the daggers deal 75% or more damage than the fists per hit. Hypothetical: Daggers dealing 175 damage 2.86 times per second deal the same damage overall as fists dealing 100 damage 5 times per second.

    I ran the stats thru pwcalc and came up with this:

    High Str Deicides
    High Dex Barrier Thorn

    Str build with claws has a p attack of 5672-7361 sparked. Dex build with daggers has a p attack of 6918-9747 sparked. At 5 aps, daggers deal 27% more dph while fists deal 38% more dps. At +12 Deicides deal 66% more dps than HH 99 gold daggers.

    Deicides actually deal 10% more dps than first cast nirvana daggers (3.33 aps vs 5 aps). With additional interval tho, NV daggers > deicides at 4 aps. Bearing in mind that Deicides alone are half the cost of raptures required to get NV daggers, it may be best to wait
  • Olba - Sanctuary
    Olba - Sanctuary Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    ... If you want to use Deicides, go make a BM.

    Simple as that.

    Due to Inner Harmony, Rising Dragon Strike and Tackling Slash, sins don't need anywhere near 5 APS to have permaspark.
    If you disregard what I say because of who I am or because of the contents of what I said, you are a fool.

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  • Zilena - Harshlands
    Zilena - Harshlands Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ... If you want to use Deicides, go make a BM.

    I agree 100%.
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  • _Leif - Lost City
    _Leif - Lost City Posts: 369 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    It has nothing to do with permaspark. I know a ton of people that have leveled sins exclusively for farming HH. 5 aps + bloodpaint + stealth wins
  • Olba - Sanctuary
    Olba - Sanctuary Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    _Leif - Lost City wrote: »
    It has nothing to do with permaspark. I know a ton of people that have leveled sins exclusively for farming HH. 5 aps + bloodpaint + stealth wins

    And you're somehow saying that it's impossible to do that with 3.33 aps or 4 aps?

    I'd argue that farming HH with a sin would be far more useful using daggers because you can actually use your skills.
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  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »
    And you're somehow saying that it's impossible to do that with 3.33 aps or 4 aps?

    I'd argue that farming HH with a sin would be far more useful using daggers because you can actually use your skills.

    you can use any daggers to spam a skill and swap back to fists. he's not stating you cant with 3.33 or 4aps. he's stating you kill faster with fists than daggers.

    killing faster = less time for a run = more money made for your time.
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