Need help with my Veno....

kcflash
kcflash Posts: 2 Arc User
edited July 2010 in Venomancer
I want to make a Fox-Form Veno but I am rather lost of several important points and was wondering if anyone could help answer the following questions;

1.) I've heard that you can make a Foxform veno using any armor type...this seems like rubish to me as the robes would not have enough pdef to keep you alive. I was thinking Either heavy armor or medium would be better, opinions? Also does it matter what sort of weapons you use? If so, what kind of weapons would be a good choice to see me through to level 50 or so?

2.) In foxform you can't use most spells (scarabs etc) so I really don't plan on getting those skills. I plan on being just purely melee & Pet damage. Is this a good/common way of doing it, or is a more hybridized approach favorable?

3.) I have no experience with gear requirements past about lvl 40 and in some games you are not even suppose to put points into certain stats (IE Energy in Diablo 2) so I was wondering how I should distribute my stat points. If I choose to use medium or heavy armor, what should my stat breakdown be?

4.) How key are attribute mods on gear in this game?

5.) I'm totally lost when it comes to what gear to use in this game...there seems like there are literally thousands of different items out there to use. Is it better to craft your own or try and get things from the botique? It seems that you have to upgrade your gear so often that socketing them with gems is pointless and buying from the game store would just be a waste of gold?

Any tips or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Yeah, medium armor is where it's at and Melee and pet dmg pwnz! You should definitely put all you can into dex so you can evade everything and not miss a beat.
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  • Carita - Harshlands
    Carita - Harshlands Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Why would you want to have a veno that does nothing but attack in fox form? A veno is a magic class. Yes it can be all armor types but even HA venos use some sort of magic.
  • Silvia_Xenth - Lost City
    Silvia_Xenth - Lost City Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    why would u wana we a booring caster like 99% of the venomancer pff.

    LA is the cheapest way to go for foxform as stats is 1str 1dex 3mag per lv and u get ur weapon ur lv and light armor or medium as u say of ur lv.

    Dont listen to the chicken Tweak who in her own account think she is a pvper and knewn it all on how 2 play on a pve server woot did i say that again.

    i play as fox and it rocks why go caster when it so boring same animation always looking 2 not get hit with mobs dont agro this bla.

    ps ask Tweak i bet she knewn it all 2 well and dies in second she agroes mobs muahah.

    common Tweak come 2 the real server dnt we a coward we a pro hah.

    i myself am a AA and HA fox and i do tell it 2 everyone i meet i only play as fox cos i love foxes.
  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    kcflash wrote: »
    I want to make a Fox-Form Veno but I am rather lost of several important points and was wondering if anyone could help answer the following questions;

    1.) I've heard that you can make a Foxform veno using any armor type...this seems like rubish to me as the robes would not have enough pdef to keep you alive. I was thinking Either heavy armor or medium would be better, opinions? Also does it matter what sort of weapons you use? If so, what kind of weapons would be a good choice to see me through to level 50 or so? Arcane Armour is definitely not the right armour to go for fox xD Light Armour and Heavy Armour would be much better. Due to the high cost heavy armour has it is recommend to go LA untill lvl 80-90 then restat to be able to wear Heavy Armour. Light Armour also has cheap molds and is generally considered a cheap build but in endgame LA becomes inferior. With refines and shards Arcane Armour gets a great amount of phys.defence and with the right ornaments/ring Heavy Armour can get a good amount of mag.defence. Of course the build is up to you b:victory
    Wheel Of Fate (mold weapon) is a good weapon to go with untill lvl 60 or any weapon close to your level with good stats.


    2.) In foxform you can't use most spells (scarabs etc) so I really don't plan on getting those skills. I plan on being just purely melee & Pet damage. Is this a good/common way of doing it, or is a more hybridized approach favorable?In fact it's better if you have skills from both trees in order to get the best out of your venomancer. You might need the long distance spells sometimes especially those AOE ones (Noxious Gas/Parasitic Nova) but the order you buy them, the skills your focus on first it's up to you. Various guides will give you details about what skills are recommended to be leveled up first.

    3.) I have no experience with gear requirements past about lvl 40 and in some games you are not even suppose to put points into certain stats (IE Energy in Diablo 2) so I was wondering how I should distribute my stat points. If I choose to use medium or heavy armor, what should my stat breakdown be? Guides will explain this better than myself XD I'm not good with numbers.

    4.) How key are attribute mods on gear in this game?I'm not sure what exactly you mean here but I'll give it a try. Depending on the attribute points you have you can wear diferent armour. Arcane Armour require lots of mag and a bit of str. Light Armour require dex and str (same amount) and Heavy Armour require lots of str and a bit of dex.

    5.) I'm totally lost when it comes to what gear to use in this game...there seems like there are literally thousands of different items out there to use. Is it better to craft your own or try and get things from the botique? It seems that you have to upgrade your gear so often that socketing them with gems is pointless and buying from the game store would just be a waste of gold? With the current BH quests system you level up way too fast to bother refining/socketing your equipment. I'd recommend doing that after lvls70 (if you can afford) or simply leave it for lvl80+ Adding a shard or two on a piece of armour that has sockets already is not a bad idea even at lower levels. If you feel you lack something or have a spare shard. I remember getting a lot of shards at lower levels.
    You can craft your own equipment anytime, this will also help you level up your crafting skills along with your level (something I didn't do and regreted b:surrender). At levels 70+ TT equipment is available as well as great legendary (mold) armour. Well mold armour is available since very low levels (lvl19+ I believe) but you should save your money since leveling is fast. You can either craft the mold yourself or buy ready manufactured ones which are usually sharded and refined too. Boutique doesn't really have equipment for sale just clothes, mounts and other handy items (handy but not necessary).


    Any tips or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

    I hope that has answered a few of your questions :)
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    kcflash wrote: »
    1.) I've heard that you can make a Foxform veno using any armor type...this seems like rubish to me as the robes would not have enough pdef to keep you alive. I was thinking Either heavy armor or medium would be better, opinions?
    At low and mid levels, you're highly unlikely to do enough damage to pull aggro off a good pet. So the armor really doesn't matter. But it's nice to be able to tank for a bit in emergencies. If you want to concentrate on melee damage, I would recommend light armor as a leveling build. If you still like melee, you can restat to heavy when you get to 80 or 90. More on why later.
    Also does it matter what sort of weapons you use? If so, what kind of weapons would be a good choice to see me through to level 50 or so?
    In terms of magic attack, all 4 weapon types do the same average damage. They differ in the damage range. Wand is +/- 1%, sword is +/- 10%, glaive +/- 20%, pataka is +/- 30%.

    In terms of physical attack, the magic sword is best, glaive a close second (about 93% the swords' average damage I think?), pataka a distant third (about 77%), and wand the worst (about 70%). Do note that refines are for fixed amounts and the same for all weapon types, so these spreads become smaller with higher refines. A +12 lunar wand does about 92% the physical damage of a +12 lunar magic sword.

    So most fox venos go with magic swords. You can get by with a glaive without losing too much either.
    2.) In foxform you can't use most spells (scarabs etc) so I really don't plan on getting those skills. I plan on being just purely melee & Pet damage. Is this a good/common way of doing it, or is a more hybridized approach favorable?
    Some mobs are just easier to kill with magic, and sometimes you will want to attack from range (a boss may have a short-range AOE for example). So I would recommend keeping up with some spells. Definitely keep Ironwood and Venomous leveled - they are both cheap and staple veno spells. Later you should try to get Lucky leveled, but it's not as important. You can ignore Frost and Blazing scarab. Noxious and Parasitic you won't really need until you're doing FF at 75+. Definitely keep pet heal maxed (keep tame at level 1, you can level revive as you wish).

    As for whether it's a good way of doing it... Honestly, both the light and heavy builds require more work (a LOT more for heavy) than the arcane build. Many people choose to just level up as arcane, and restat to heavy at level 90+. If you want the easiest path to level, arcane and restat at higher level is the way to go.

    If you want to melee, I would suggest looking at making a BM, barb, or assassin. If you want to melee with a pet with the option to cast spells, then you want a fox veno.
    3.) I have no experience with gear requirements past about lvl 40 and in some games you are not even suppose to put points into certain stats (IE Energy in Diablo 2) so I was wondering how I should distribute my stat points. If I choose to use medium or heavy armor, what should my stat breakdown be?
    For light armor, it's 1 str, 1 dex, 3 mag every level.

    For heavy, it's 2.5 str, 0.5 dex, 3 mag every level. Which is a problem since that's 6 points and you only get 5 stat points per level. So you have to make up the extra points from +stat bonuses on equipment. This is what makes heavy such a difficult and expensive build. Unless you're extremely fortunate and get your hands on a love up and down tome at low levels, I would not recommend heavy as a leveling build.

    You'll notice there's no vit in either of these builds. This is not because vit is a bad thing. It's simply because you can't spare any points for vit. You will have to try to make up the hp deficiency with citrine shards and refining your armor. Sharding and refining armor is not really worth it until you're about level 70 though.

    No idea what you mean by point 4.
    5.) I'm totally lost when it comes to what gear to use in this game...there seems like there are literally thousands of different items out there to use. Is it better to craft your own or try and get things from the botique? It seems that you have to upgrade your gear so often that socketing them with gems is pointless and buying from the game store would just be a waste of gold?
    For armor and weapons, start with quest gear. Yes it's arcane, but that won't really matter at lower level. The trial pataka you get at 20 will probably serve you until your mid-30s.

    After that, you should check out the auctioneer for equipment appropriate for your level. Buying from other players is generally much cheaper (and gets you better equipment) than buying from NPCs. In particular, the market price for light armor on auction is much lower than for heavy or arcane.

    At 60, you can make the first TT weapon. You go into Twilight Temple with a squad, kill bosses for certain materials, and when you have enough mats you can use them to make TT weapons or armor. Or if you're rich by then, you can just buy the mats, weapons, or armor. They are generally better than other weapons and armor you can get at the level, so most people use them. TT armor doesn't start til level 70.

    Crafting is optional. A lot of people choose to do it for fun or because they like making their own gear (your name gets permanently affixed to it). But in general, it's cheaper to buy gear from other players than to craft it yourself. Do note that you need crafting skill to make TT gear and legendary gear (equipment from molds). If you can't make it yourself, you have to trust someone to make it for you. It's not unheard of for someone to simply take your mats or gear and log off.
  • kcflash
    kcflash Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Thanks a bunch you guys for taking the time to give detailed answers. Based on your response these are the conclusions I've come to;

    1.) As it pertains to armor it seems medium or, LA as it's called is the best for what I'm trying to do. Should I try and get as much into dex as I can and/or get gear with evasion mods also or no?

    2.) I see it's better to have a more balanced approach to casting and foxform skills. My problem now is that most of the foxform skills seem rather lame at low levels...Purge and Wallop don't seem very useful for PvE...should I keep those at Lvl1 till I start doing PvP?

    3. Since I'm going to be using LA the suggestion to do 1str, 1dex, 3mag per level seems best but I'm having trouble with not needing any vit. In previous games I've played vitality was always what you put the bulk of your points in. Could you get by with 2mag and 1 vit per level instead of 3 mag? Or is it really not that hard to get those vitality points from the gear later on?

    4.) It seems people were having a hard time understanding what I was asking on this point. But Solandri answered it in the response to point 3. Apparently, for this build anyways, vit mods on gear are VERY important.

    5.) As I understand it you can get by on reward gear until around level 35 or so. I enjoy crafting and collecting materials so I will probably be doing that for gear. Also seeing as you do need to craft your own things at higher levels it would be a good idea to start doing that now.
  • awktorawk
    awktorawk Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    kcflash wrote: »
    Thanks a bunch you guys for taking the time to give detailed answers. Based on your response these are the conclusions I've come to;

    1.) As it pertains to armor it seems medium or, LA as it's called is the best for what I'm trying to do. Should I try and get as much into dex as I can and/or get gear with evasion mods also or no?

    2.) I see it's better to have a more balanced approach to casting and foxform skills. My problem now is that most of the foxform skills seem rather lame at low levels...Purge and Wallop don't seem very useful for PvE...should I keep those at Lvl1 till I start doing PvP?

    3. Since I'm going to be using LA the suggestion to do 1str, 1dex, 3mag per level seems best but I'm having trouble with not needing any vit. In previous games I've played vitality was always what you put the bulk of your points in. Could you get by with 2mag and 1 vit per level instead of 3 mag? Or is it really not that hard to get those vitality points from the gear later on?

    4.) It seems people were having a hard time understanding what I was asking on this point. But Solandri answered it in the response to point 3. Apparently, for this build anyways, vit mods on gear are VERY important.

    5.) As I understand it you can get by on reward gear until around level 35 or so. I enjoy crafting and collecting materials so I will probably be doing that for gear. Also seeing as you do need to craft your own things at higher levels it would be a good idea to start doing that now.

    I think you misunderstood, vit mods aren't important. You make up for your lack in vitality by refining your armor to better stats and putting +HP gems into your armor's sockets (which I'm sure is something your familiar with, seeing how familiar with Diablo 2 you are).