Sharding for armor.

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary
RoidAbuse - Sanctuary Posts: 1,066 Arc User
edited December 2010 in Barbarian
Nirvana Lunar armor. What shards work the best for a demon barb?
I do good damage with my axe and have most of my demon barb skills. Currently getting lunars mats to get my lunar armor which I will hopefully turn into nirvana. Planning to have all 6 pieces of lunar nirvana.
Shard all +1 atk lvl orbs?
+vit stones?
Jade of defense stones?

Comparing vit stones and jade of defense stones, which one will offer me greater survival ability and reduce the most damage?

Let me just add that I'm not interested in the PvE aspect of PW anymore. I'm gearing for PvP experience. On a PvE server. That's so sad...
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Comments

  • Cybetron - Harshlands
    Cybetron - Harshlands Posts: 153 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Attack level stones are nothing compared to the +30 attack level blessings and the bonus we get from Nirvana gear. Although an additional attack level is always welcome for a DD, we barbs are expected to survive the onslaught. So I'ld stay away from atk lvl stones on your armor.

    Def stones stack decently against attack level blessings and soak up good amount of damage in TWs (if you would be catapulling). But, imo VIT stones do equally well. Since you are a demon, your inclination towards dishing out damage rather than being a cata barb would make it best for you to go fists (high dex), which would require vit stones in your armor. You will definitely have more HP than BMs with so many vit stones on your armor.

    Just my two cents.. Good luck in your sharding b:pleased
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    If you can afford really high refines then go for +2 def stones.
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  • HippiePanda - Sanctuary
    HippiePanda - Sanctuary Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Don't use attack stones. The effect is less noticeable and won't help you really - especially in pvp you'll get problems.
    +2 Def Stones are a good choice when you can afford high refinement - but personally I say go for Vit Stones since Vit is the best attribute for barbs and increases Phy/Mag def though!
  • CrunchyWolf - Lost City
    CrunchyWolf - Lost City Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    so this mean ill be fail am pure tank built till am low lvl am a lvl73 and 9.7k hp tiger buffed idk really understand should i be ok are ill be fail with that tank built???
  • RioNHale - Archosaur
    RioNHale - Archosaur Posts: 566 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Att level barb builds can be beast >_>

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=e64680a206775b25

    the brothers of fear are kinda ridiculous to get though :D

    although Unicorn's Tragedy or WoW axes with

    Atk. Level +2

    Atk. Level +3

    Atk. Level +20

    could work >_>

    add the jones blessing to that build and you do like 128% damage O_O


    besides dotas are cheap, see them, for 800k, vit stoning all that would cost you an arm and a leg, and JoS shards are like 6-9m a piece which isnt too bad, but i find def level stones are more for cata barbs, and u seem to want more damage. ._.


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  • DangerField - Dreamweaver
    DangerField - Dreamweaver Posts: 114 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I agree with Rawrgh. If you can afford refine all your armor to a point where you are closing in on 20k human buffed the % in vit increase is no match to the % in dmg reduction the jades will give you.


    vit stones if you have about 20kish human will give you roughly 25% more hp = arma +25% dmg

    I prefere jades.
  • Blood_Panda - Raging Tide
    Blood_Panda - Raging Tide Posts: 161 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    For Barbs, I think Vit Stone is the way to go.

    even bms gain a reasonable amount of Hp/Phy/Mag defence from vit stone

    in my opinion only veno can benefit from +2 Jade of steady defence

    I read somewhere +50 defence is 50% defence reduction but +50 attack isnt 50% damage increase.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=698392

    So Steady jade still wins if you decide to go that path..
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  • DangerField - Dreamweaver
    DangerField - Dreamweaver Posts: 114 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I read somewhere +50 defence is 50% defence reduction but +50 attack isnt 50% damage increase.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=698392

    I dont know how you would get that. the formula

    If Attack Level > Defense Level:
    damage = damage dealt * (1 + (A - D)/100)
    else
    damage = damage dealt / (1 + 1.2 * (D - A)/100)

    States that 50 att lvls are 50% dmg increase, while def lvls have a multiplier of 1.2.
  • GohRaL - Sanctuary
    GohRaL - Sanctuary Posts: 883 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    As other have said, +2DEF stones are the best way to shard for PVP if you have the money...

    With all the chances we got to upgrade ATT LEVEL nowadays is best to reduce damage. A barb with the mighty HP we can have just by refines and charmed is nearly unsinkable if you can sink ATTACK LEVEL.


    Fuzzy made a thread about this not much time ago...
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  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    the brothers of fear are kinda ridiculous to get though :D
    Lol I'm almost certain Roid can afford it.


    I'd probly go vit XD just to arma ppl.

    <.< *dont pay attention to my LA atk lvl barb running around*
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  • Lupumid - Sanctuary
    Lupumid - Sanctuary Posts: 326 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I read somewhere on the BM forums the +2 defense stones are actually more efficient than vit stones and attack level stones. The same guy also said people from sanctuary are idiots so it kinda lowers his credibility.
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  • Blood_Panda - Raging Tide
    Blood_Panda - Raging Tide Posts: 161 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    as you say Bm forum. Bm get lower Hp/mag/phy per vit compare to Barb.

    and hp stacks with HP buff =)
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  • Lupumid - Sanctuary
    Lupumid - Sanctuary Posts: 326 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Yes, but it also brings up the question of what do you want more, HP or defense? 40k HP with 12% magic resistance would make all 40k of that useless. Just as 70 defense level with 5k HP won't get you much farther as a melee class.
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  • RoidAbuse - Sanctuary
    RoidAbuse - Sanctuary Posts: 1,066 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Just to follow up, I've decided on +2 defense shards.
    Currently have 4 peices of nirvana gear sharded with JoSD and +10 and I'm pretty happy with the result. Makes me a lot harder to kill. I will be getting the remaining 2 pieces soon hopefully and shard them with JoSD as well.
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  • GohRaL - Sanctuary
    GohRaL - Sanctuary Posts: 883 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Just to follow up, I've decided on +2 defense shards.
    Currently have 4 peices of nirvana gear sharded with JoSD and +10 and I'm pretty happy with the result. Makes me a lot harder to kill. I will be getting the remaining 2 pieces soon hopefully and shard them with JoSD as well.

    Gratz Roid, you'r my favourite F2P barb on Sanct...you deserve that

    just one question: How many socket you got in your Nirvana Equip per piece ?
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  • Jeroen - Harshlands
    Jeroen - Harshlands Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    You got fb, bh, HH, TT, and FC but i have a BD ( Beer Drinking )
  • RoidAbuse - Sanctuary
    RoidAbuse - Sanctuary Posts: 1,066 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Gratz Roid, you'r my favourite F2P barb on Sanct...you deserve that

    just one question: How many socket you got in your Nirvana Equip per piece ?

    Chest (3)
    Leggings (4)
    Boots (2)
    Gloves (4)
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I see I'm not the only one cursed with 2 socket nirvana.
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  • fuzzywuzz
    fuzzywuzz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Not the only one Rawrgh, but one of the unlucky few for sure.

    Me is sorry, but Fuzzy was laughing when saw you WC those leggings after you crafted em. b:chuckle (No offence intended.)

    Hopefully you will have more luck with your next piece. b:victory
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  • Deceive - Lost City
    Deceive - Lost City Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Rawrgh just get 4800 socket stones :P I had 2 socket wrist now they are 3.

    Alright well my main is Susamajii, I'd say I'm at least top 3 best geared barb on LC server this is my armor, I am also Demon but I pull catapults ;o

    Full Nirvana all 6 pieces.

    +10 Demon Serene Robe 3 Socket ~ 3 vit stones
    +10 Ancestral Divine Helm 3 socket ~ 3 Jade of Defense
    +11 Lionheart Nirvana Chest 3 socket ~ 3 vit stones
    +10 Lionheart Nirvana Greaves 3 socket ~ 3 vit stones
    +10 Lionheart Nirvana Boots 3 socket ~ 3 Jade of Defense
    +10 Lionheart Nirvana Bracers 3 socket ~ 3 vit stones
    +10 g14 Cube neck
    +10 g14 Warsong belt
    +10 Seal of Eternal Solitude
    +8 Sign of Frost: Chaos

    Now I think I have a good mix of def shards and vit stones. My defense level with the stones and the nirvana bonus is 27. (42 with the anniversary blessing)

    My HP standing atm is roughly 20k unbuffed.

    I have 400 vit, 300 str, 87 dex all green number.

    This is my survival index fully buffed.
    http://i678.photobucket.com/albums/vv148/WayWardArcher/NotSquishy.jpg

    Now I also have the Forest Wisdom +11 with 3 vit stones and the Tide of Elysium +10 with 2 vit stones.

    My Hp with those on is higher but my survival index is more around 225-230k with those 2 pieces on versus the 336k with the nirvana bonuses and jade shards.

    So like was previously said, if you can afford high refines then i'd go half and half I'm debating on getting 3 more and losing 3 vit stones for 3 more jades atm actually.
  • TankedBeast - Lost City
    TankedBeast - Lost City Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Since you are a Demon Barb and you are looking just to be a DD, as someone stated before, go fist/claw and go with +Defense shards. If you don't plan on using your barb for its initial use (tanking/meat sheild) then what is the point in adding massive vit? My opinion. Take it or leave it.
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  • Sabre - Raging Tide
    Sabre - Raging Tide Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Nirvana Armour should be sharded with Jades of Steady Defense.
    Anything else should only be used as a stop gap till you can use Jades... unless your HP shards give more than 2% of your HP... after all, 4soc with Jades in Nirvana will gives like 61 def level? 24 Jades = 48 def level + the 13 from having the full set. 61% damage reduction if your opponent has 0 attack level.
    As I once heard, refine for HP, shard for protection.
    Also, if a wizzie comes along and 1shots you after you shard vit stones, but Jades would have saved you by chopping a chunk of damage off his/her attack...
  • TankedBeast - Lost City
    TankedBeast - Lost City Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    That is a really good point Sabre @ the wizzie comment. I know i've been hit for 25k from a wizzie...

    I like the way you think b:victory
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    Yes, 5.0 really is OP. Yet, I still got it... b:chuckle