CoA Etiquette

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

It's a lot like world bosses, imo. You won't get banned for trying to steal a world boss... even if you do it over the whole map. Spec and Essence do this all the time to each other... with as many tickets as Spec sends in, some of us would have been banned long ago for this, but clearly world bosses and CoA are not compulsory quests, they're optional... and if someone is KSing mobs that you don't need for the completion of your cultivation, nothing will be done about it.

Following around someone and purposefully greifing them is a completely different story. It's far more than just KSing on purpose.

Agreed. I just put forward the situational rule and the fact that consta-KS is griefing and harassment because that could possibly be where the idea that "you hit a mob, it's yours" stems from. But I have never seen a GM state that hitting a mob makes it yours and if anything I have seen GMs support the idea of KSing in a competitive event because it's just that - competitive.

World boss hunting is equally as competitive and thus, KSing is equally as supported because this game doesn't run on the basis of "You hit it, it's yours" and frankly a lot of the fun would be taken out of the game if it was that way.

I mean, that would mean I could never desummon my Herc at PQ and watch somebody attempting to steal my mob die a miserable death, because they'd never try steal it in the first place.

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I mean, that would mean I could never desummon my Herc at PQ and watch somebody attempting to steal my mob die a miserable death, because they'd never try steal it in the first place.

b:chuckle

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Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If you are going to take mobs from others, don't QQ if they lure mobs onto you.

Bingo.

+1

eww enough people go to this thing. every CoA event perfectly capable people get ready, buff up, and don't get to enter because it's full. We need less noobs and morons in there anyway. The phys immune mobs don't even hit hard and have 0 defense (I think all bosses in there are either 0 defense or completely immune), probably could have a bunch of casters take them.

Maybe phys immune bosses just need to have less hp but still the same drop-rate so more casters are encouraged to enter this event.

I wonder if a 5.0 barb or archer with poison fang/blazing arrow could kill physical immunity mobs lol.

Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Thank you for putting that into perspective for them. I just want to add one more thing into the mix, since the topic of "whose mob is it anyway?" came up.

It has already beed stated, by GM's I believe, that the first person at an oracle mob has rights to it first, a line must be formed after him. How would that factor in?

Actually you have that backwards. GMs stated that no one is forced to get in a line if they dont want to. As long as they themselves have the quest they are allowed to kill the mob. If they are killing it repeatedly when they dont have the quest just to annoy you then it can be considered griefing.

To put it in simple terms for you...

If they have a reason to kill the mob other than to just annoy you it has already been determined to be completely legal.

As for luring bosses to kill you, that has never been addressed inside an instance in a competitive setting.

Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Because some factions do take mobs from their own and claim it to be the spirit of the event. So a squad of just 2-6 of them make out pretty well, while their lower members who were in same instance get nothing. They won't even allow the odd faction member to have one worm to work on. Some would even claim that we have no responsibility to squad those members either, even if there was room in the squad. This is why I mention, not to point fingers, just get others thoughts on it.

Well that faction obviously sucks. All of the larger factions should have rules in place for the event. I know all the established guilds on LC do. Except for maybe, Yakuza or ThaClick... but I wouldn't call them established. b:chuckle

Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »

Actually you have that backwards. GMs stated that no one is forced to get in a line if they dont want to. As long as they themselves have the quest they are allowed to kill the mob. If they are killing it repeatedly when they dont have the quest just to annoy you then it can be considered griefing.

Yeah the only people that have a right to Oracle mobs are people with the quest... Also, pking people over and over on oracling isn't bannable and isn't considered griefing. You are allowed to camp the spot.

its not bannable, its not illegal but the morale is wrong.
but since its a 'game' where u dont meet the pple, it just doesnt seem as much offensive. Stealing isnt morally right. The words included in K'S' to specify that. or else itd be called KB-Kill Borrowing.

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Anyone finds it funny that it's only 5aps melee classes (BMs, sins, archers) that find this "ok"?

oh wait...

...personally, I only go into CoA with my 5 dex character.

I do envy the those that can melee the bosses like that, but they mostly leave me alone, and they never KS me.

Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Because some factions do take mobs from their own and claim it to be the spirit of the event. So a squad of just 2-6 of them make out pretty well, while their lower members who were in same instance get nothing. They won't even allow the odd faction member to have one worm to work on. Some would even claim that we have no responsibility to squad those members either, even if there was room in the squad. This is why I mention, not to point fingers, just get others thoughts on it.

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Well that faction obviously sucks. All of the larger factions should have rules in place for the event. I know all the established guilds on LC do. Except for maybe, Yakuza or ThaClick... but I wouldn't call them established. b:chuckle

^^This

If a large faction is unable to organize itself or at least make a couple of easy rules for something like COA - and instead just defaults to a might makes right attitude within the faction for events - then it is pretty fail. Especially any faction that aspires to present a cooperative image to the rest of the server. That attitude of every person for him/herself, if promoted in the faction, will sneak into other areas - such as TW, which becomes personal pvp kill padding instead of following orders and doing one's job within a team.

A simple rule such as "don't KS faction mates in COA" would go a long way towards addressing morale within a faction. The resentment and loss of morale for lower lvl and lesser geared players caused be seeing faction mates dominate them through KSing, is not worth the most powerful members in the faction receiving even more loot then they would have if they had just let the other member have their one mob.

Between factions? I agree with most posts here. It's a competition, KS and lure all you want. Don't like it? Save your 100k.

Malilizi - Harshlands wrote: »

Wrong...from the official support questtion:

"Kill stealing" is not illegal in our game. Remember that monsters do not actually belong to any player, and that the player/squad that does the most damage will gain the majority of the EXP as well as the loot that the mob drops.

Interesting. Thanks for the correction. *takes game off recommend list*

Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Because some factions do take mobs from their own and claim it to be the spirit of the event. So a squad of just 2-6 of them make out pretty well, while their lower members who were in same instance get nothing. They won't even allow the odd faction member to have one worm to work on. Some would even claim that we have no responsibility to squad those members either, even if there was room in the squad. This is why I mention, not to point fingers, just get others thoughts on it.

The solution space for the event has two goals which can be contradictory. For the instance, the best outcome is if everyone shares, doesn't interfere with other groups, and the mobs are distributed according to DPS (including AOE DPS). For the individual, the best outcome is if you can steal as many mobs as you can to maximize your AOE DPS, without doing it so much that you ruin the instance's chances to win.

Standard tragedy of the commons scenario. A regulatory body (a faction in this case) can organize things and enforce the better instance outcome to the detriment of individual freedom. The outcome on average for individuals will be better, but the outcome for a particular individual can be worse.

Leaving a few people out of squad without even one worm can be the cost of achieving this better outcome. It may smart to Western sensibilities of individuality and fairness, but it's pretty normal to Asian sensibilities of duty to a social group (usually family, but in this case, faction) to achieve an overall better outcome. I'm not surprised a Chinese game would implement such a thing.

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

All of the bosses have millions of hp. Any one charachter wouldn't be able to solo tank more than 3 or 4 without serious charm **** or death... They don't really hurt if you're 10x, but for pretty much anyone, if you're going to solo you take one boss at a time.

I did 3 mobs at a time solo just fine when my veno was 90. It's not that hard if you know what you're doing (although probably impossible now that it's so crowded). Certain mobs in there don't do much damage and it's easy to tank 2 or 3 at once (3 is probably not optimal solo). I found that out when someone dragged an AOE mob onto me and got my herc killed. Even after I revived it, it couldn't take back aggro so I ended up tanking for the next 5 minutes. Regular hp pots were enough, no need to rely on a charm.

For a high-DPS character who can tank, since heals don't detract from your DPS, you're actually better off doing it solo instead of joining anything but a competent AOE squad. Solo means a slower kill rate, which means less downtime waiting for respawn. I don't encourage that anymore though now that it's gotten so crowded.

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Interesting. Thanks for the correction. *takes game off recommend list*


The solution space for the event has two goals which can be contradictory. For the instance, the best outcome is if everyone shares, doesn't interfere with other groups, and the mobs are distributed according to DPS (including AOE DPS). For the individual, the best outcome is if you can steal as many mobs as you can to maximize your AOE DPS, without doing it so much that you ruin the instance's chances to win.

Its not the city that shares the best that wins, its the city that deals the most damage. The optimal strategy for an entire city would have everyone DDing as constantly as possible without anyone standing around waiting for mobs to respawn. To keep up a constant DD would require attacking at least 2 different mobs so erecting boundaries by reserving mobs for discrete groups including the lowest DD is pretty inefficient.