Cleric PvP

DaHealanator - Raging Tide · July 2010

Hey as you can see I'm a lvl 69 cleric, and I think I'm getting to be a good enough level to start pking.
I've been reading around the cleric forums, and unlike just about every other classes forums, we don't have any PvP guide.

So I'm starting this thread to try and compile the jewels of wisdom from other clerics so that:
1) the rest of us know how to pk better
2) everyone will stop calling cleric a fail pvp class...

Now because I am one, this thread will be on how to pk as a pure cleric. So if your an LA cleric, you might find some info on here useful, but just wanted you to know that the info on here is aimed at pure clerics.

Oh, and to any clerics who are thinking of saying that we're a PvE class and shouldnt Pk: have some pride in your class. I've heard that we're actally an excelent PvP class if played right, and I'm just here to figure out how to do that.

If you have some knowledge to drop, this is the prefered way to share it:

State the best way to beat...

Wizards-
Venomancers-
Barbarians-
Assassins-
Psychics-
Blademasters-
Archers-
Clerics-

if you think we have no business PvPing against one of those classes (i.e assassin) just say that. you can give scenarios (we attack first, they attack first) or just a good general combo to beat the class.
And you dont have to base the stragedys on my level. Any stragedy for any level is great to have

Thanks for your help.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · July 2010

thats hard :x thers alot of skills that are useful above your lvl...

DaHealanator - Raging Tide · July 2010

thats fine. simply state any stragedys you got to help a brotha out. anything useful im saving in a folder anyways lol

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear · July 2010

Roll one of each class. Figure out weaknesses. Exploit said weaknesses.

Roriror - Lost City · July 2010

Clerics are ok in pvp as long you know your skills.

i my self was pking at 4x. ^.^

anywho.. just a couple thoughts about each class.

Wizards- idc what people say... yes you should shell for a wiz.

Venomancers- LA venos are easiest. if you have the pdef (unlke a lot of clerics)
shell tank the pet sleep the veno and and either plume or use mag.
LA venos do take more dmg with mag hits.

Barbarians- sleep get a couple heals in hit with cyclone shell and kite.

Assassins- try to stay healed and shelled while they are stealthed.

Psychics- same as wiz. but watch the psys buffs.

Blademasters- sleep and drop. lol

Archers- sleep run at heal once or so siren kiss or seal.

Clerics- tough to say really. cleric v cleric is a pain. lol but for the most part do same as
wiz and psy.

DaHealanator - Raging Tide · July 2010

thanks for infob:pleased. But why shield for wiz and psy? incase they use BT? and for the psy's shield spell that reflects phy damage?

LaLeLoo - Sanctuary · July 2010

For Blademasters I typically put on plume shell, put them to sleep, and either tempest or wield thunder and cyclone. Yet sometimes they end up stunning me before I can put them to sleep. x.x

Sylredrae - Sanctuary · July 2010

Cleric are pretty good against Wizzies and perhaps psychics and venos. Although for venos, it really depends on their pet and how well they've leveled it. Nix venos will use us as chewtoys while venos using other poorly free pets are much easier.

I don't PK, but I duel sometimes... so while I can't give detailed PK advice, I do know some basic weaknesses of other classes. Use magic attacks against BMs and barbs, and plume shot squishies to death... Not sure about light armour classes since they crit me to death before I can channel anything...

Ajatar - Dreamweaver · July 2010

I dont pvp much, but i know few basics.

Try to get their HP near charm tick as possible, sleep them -> debuff -> nuke with powerfull skill.
With powerfull skill i pretty much mean Wield Thunder and Tempest for HA/LA users, sparked Plume Shot or Razor Feathers for squishies. If everything goes well, you do more damage than they have HP left...Target dies and their charm doesnt tick. xD

Pop-up Plume Shell when u see some squishy-killer-skill-of-doom coming, like barbs Armagedon or wizzys Blade Tempest. Its good to know about other classes and their skills, it is huge advance in pvp.

Sleeping the opponent always gives you time to breathe, stack IH and use debuffs... or teleport to town if you see it necessary b:surrender

TheDan - Sanctuary · July 2010

Mortal Strike > All

DaHealanator - Raging Tide · July 2010

mortal strike...? explain b:surrender

MsEvilness - Heavens Tear · July 2010

Good luck trying to beat sins and bms in pk... if you find out, tell me how.

DaHealanator - Raging Tide · July 2010

yah I've basically heard that with sins, if your an absolute pro, the best you can do is survive.
With bms- if they're heavy armour, keep em away so you don't get chain stunned, sleep em, and drop nukes. If they're LA, better luck next time.

Magicgabe - Lost City · July 2010

kite kite kite( and absolute domain)..... that's all I have to say.

MsEvilness - Heavens Tear · July 2010

DaHealanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

yah I've basically heard that with sins, if your an absolute pro, the best you can do is survive.
With bms- if they're heavy armour, keep em away so you don't get chain stunned, sleep em, and drop nukes. If they're LA, better luck next time.

You try surviving something that 1 shots you out of nowhere... good luck with that. At least with BMs you can see them coming and do something about it

DaKillanator - Archosaur · July 2010

well obviously you cant help a 1 shot. But if you dont get 1 shot you got a chance...to survive long enough to lower their hp, make em force stealth, and then get k0'd by them in 30sec when they come back for you.
I've accepted theirs no beating sins b:pleased

MsEvilness - Heavens Tear · July 2010

Posting on a lvl 8 char doesn't give you any credibility. If you don't get 1 shotted and somehow you're still alive after a few more hits, you still can't kill them.

Neffelim - Dreamweaver · July 2010

Not much of a PvPer myself but i came up with 2 different tricks to fight sins and they seem to occasionally do very well against them (usually when duelling).

1) Use Sirens Kiss at a mob near you, which reveals them from stealth (and may freeze if you are lucky).

2) Spark right after the plume shell has dropped (most sins will try to teleport and stun you out of stealth right after the shell) or you can double jump vertically right after the shell goes down. If the sin has no bow handy he will stun you in the air where he cant attack you. The confusion will give you some time to spark, sleep and kill him.

Rated_PG - Harshlands · July 2010

BEst way to beat a sin, from a sin's prospective.....Hope they are a total failure, hope one of their, immobilizes/stuns/silences miss, hope that if you get a chance to hit them you crit and 1 shot them. If you manage to avoid a stun/iimob/silence, try to gain distance and sleep them (yes ofc they have teles, but thats what makes it hard) or you could spam IH, and absolute domain........or just run >.<....or in the case with most sins that aren't failures....if you hear the ominous popping out of stealth sound, or you feel a chill run down your spine when your in the middle of nowhere...get up...walk away from your keyboard....rage....make a sandwich....eat the sandwich....come back after getting a drink, and hit the release corpse button. It's just a matter of sheer luck against a somewhat good+ sin. But if that sin is pro....kiss those cheeks goodbye and hope you have Safetylock on, or your equip. is bound ^.^

XmasBunny_ - Archosaur · July 2010

i am not a pvper... YET XD but i've seen some clerics powning other classes. what i have to say to u is that probably pure build isn't the best for pk (it can be for pve or duels not sure). i am not too interested in simple pk, it's more about tws and what i learned from there is that u should have some vit in orther to take a few hits... la build for clerics kinda sucks cause it's even worse in matters of defences than full vit build (3 vit, 1 str, 6 mag). so there u go... tw may be closer to "west archo outskirts pk meetings" than duels so i'd really put some vit on... oh and btw PLUME SHELL FTW!! XD use it everytime ;D

that's all for now... i'll still try to learn something else about this matter cause i wanna pk/tw with my cleric *.*

EDIT: i forgot that i have a skill on my genie that makes u immune from stuns during a few seconds so if u get stuned and survive while u select the genie skill
, then they r in desadvantage ;D (i heard cooldowns in sins r kinda long, not sure about that but u can try

). and ofc holypath helps A LOT against any class ^^ it's a matter to know when u should use it ;D

Qlngfu - Archosaur · July 2010

MsEvilness - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Good luck trying to beat sins and bms in pk... if you find out, tell me how.

use apo pots and beastly genie skills

RedsRose - Lost City · July 2010

Qlngfu - Archosaur wrote: »

use apo pots and beastly genie skills

^ This

Generally before 3 spark is up, your stun will be too.

It will basically come down to the cool down of your pots/genie and if you have 3 spark. Just annoying when they re-stealth to get more chi. b:sweat

I have been killed a few times after 3-5 attempts because a that point I had everything on cool down and tbh was over it b:chuckle

Legases - Lost City · July 2010

Roriror - Lost City wrote: »

Clerics are ok in pvp as long you know your skills.

i my self was pking at 4x. ^.^

anywho.. just a couple thoughts about each class.

Wizards- idc what people say... yes you should shell for a wiz.

Venomancers- LA venos are easiest. if you have the pdef (unlke a lot of clerics)
shell tank the pet sleep the veno and and either plume or use mag.
LA venos do take more dmg with mag hits.

Barbarians- sleep get a couple heals in hit with cyclone shell and kite.

Assassins- try to stay healed and shelled while they are stealthed.

Psychics- same as wiz. but watch the psys buffs.

Blademasters- sleep and drop. lol

Archers- sleep run at heal once or so siren kiss or seal.

Clerics- tough to say really. cleric v cleric is a pain. lol but for the most part do same as
wiz and psy.

roris a beast! haha

wizard - if u can sneak up on them just stun, dimension seal, razor feathers, then plumeshot till they dead. they can be kind of a pain cas they silence u but u can usualy 1 or 2 shot them if you dont suck.

venomancers - sleep the veno, plume sheild, spark if u can, then its relly subjective to their armor what you do next. with LA i would use weild thunder to open on them, then whirlwind and then just spam heal till weild thunders back up. with HA same thing. with arcane you should razor feathers and plume shot, usualy 2-3 shots them.

barbarians - with barbs i usualy kite them, whirlwind, sleep, silence seal, ect. if they get close use plume sheild, when that runs out use 79 skill and keep ih up.

Assasins - if they sneak up on u, tree of protection while u stunned and plume sheild imediatley. if you catch them out of stealth sleep, throw up magic seal, weild thunder, whirlwind, genie skill (i use eruption) u just wana drop before they have chance to go into stealth.

physics - psy usualy die rely fast like wiz but there buffs make u kill yourself and their atacks hurt, if u must kill one just spam ih, spark if u can, sleep if their buffs down then just razor feathers + plume shot.

blade masters - you shouldnt have trouble with them if u keep your distance, watch their buffs cas they have one that makes your sleep not work. weild thunder, whirlwind, weild lightning. If they get close your pretty much fcked tbh, they can keep u stunnlocked for like 20 seconds.

Archers - sleep imediatly, run as close as u can to them, plume sheild, weild thunder, whirlwind, weild lightning, plume shot. charmed archers can be a pain, just make sure ur plume sheild stays up and use 79 skill when its in cooldown and u should be fine.

Cleric - cleric vs. cleric is longest fight in the game.... mainly because both of you are going to be doing the same thing unless u playing a total scrub. DO NOT be the first one to sleep!!! plume sheild and let them sleep u first, what will hapen is they gana spam heal themselves then use weild thunder, after they do that u just sleep, spam heal yourself then razorfeathers if there plume sheild is down, this will make all of their current stacked heals were off and you wont have to worry aboute them regaining the health you take from them.

, legases demon cleric lost city

XmasBunny_ - Archosaur · July 2010

Legases - Lost City wrote: »

Assasins - if they sneak up on u, tree of protection while u stunned and plume sheild imediatley.

, legases demon cleric lost city

question: can we cast plume shield while stuned?

btw ur post rocks^^ ty

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · July 2010

XmasBunny_ - Archosaur wrote: »

question: can we cast plume shield while stuned?

btw ur post rocks^^ ty

no cause your stunned. or else clerics would have no fear of stunlocks if casting was possible during it.

Decus - Dreamweaver · July 2010

XmasBunny_ - Archosaur wrote: »

question: can we cast plume shield while stuned?

btw ur post rocks^^ ty

No, nor can you while sealed or slept. You can cast it if frozen.

EDIT: Didn't realize someone already responded b:surrender

Umbra - Raging Tide · July 2010

Constantly casting Plume Shell, stacking two or three Ironhearts, moving and jumping helps a lot. Having a barb outside of your party casting Roar at regular intervals helps too. As soon as they appear your charm ticks, so in that small amount of time, cast sleep and seal to keep them from moving/force stealth, debuff and Triple spark.

Nieka - Harshlands · July 2010

Wizards- for wizards it depends, in the lower lvls just use physical attacks,however, once they hit 89 and choose sage or demon you have to watch out. the demon stone barrier buff raises there phys def by an unholy amount so you would better use magical attacks on a demon mage why the same buff does the opposite on a sage mage and raises the magic def by a lot so you would still want to use physical attacks. you best shields against a mage would be your 79 skills because they raise your magical def and your physical def. (note: most mages like to use the same combo- stun undine then blade tempest this is a nasty combo watch out for it)

Venomancers- Veno are a tough class to take down if they have a nix so i suggest you have a genie skill handy to take bleed away it will save you the time of using purity. i beleive there are two genie skills that help with that. one takes the bleed away and one prevents it. i suggest you use the one that prevents it because its hard to get the one that takes it away to be 100% effective. fighting the actual veno is pretty easy use physical attacks if they are arcane armor magical if they are anything elce.

Barbarians- Barbs arent very difficult to take down if you have a high enough mag attack when fighting them keep your distance and if they get to close put up a plume shell so that there arma doesnt take you out use your stun and sleep to keep them away and dont forget about your debuffs.

Assassins-fighting sins can be either really easy or really hard depending on how prepared they are to fight you just because you beat him the first time dont get overconfident because he will most likely be harder to kill during the second round. sins loke to stun so what i have found very effective is to pop a anti_stun pot after they hit you then use asolute domane genie skill so they wont kill you. when you come out of stun they will waste there next stun on you and you will be free to attack. when fighting a sin it is in your best interest to have either a npc or a mob neer so if they go back into stealth you can pull them out again before they get away. but after you get away from there first attack a good combo is to use thunderball followed by sleep then debuuf them and hit then with a wield lighting and a whirlwind. the wield lighting should take there deaden nurves away and the wirl should get them before they go into stealth.

Psychics- for psy's use physical attacks and remember your 79 skills once you get then. i can not stress how important the 79 skills are for clerics. psys usually go down quick once they going into black vodoo because of there low hp.

Blademasters-fighting blademasters is fairly easy as a cleric stun them debuff them and unleash a couple magical attacks if they come out of stun use a quick plume shell and keep on them they go down pretty easy.

Archers- archers are a tough bunch to take down because a well equiped archer can often one shot a cleric and they have a bad tendency to drop down where you cant see them. archers usually start off the fight with a stun so the genie skill badge of courage is pretty useful when fighting them. also dont be afraid to use your stun on them they will still be able to attack but they wont be aable to get away from you. plume shell is a must in a fight with an archer just because there attacks hit hard on us. once you get past there attacks just use magical attacks on them they usually dont have more than 5-6k hp in the 90+ lvls so dont be to afraid of them.

Clerics- clerics should be the easiest class to fight mainly because you know what all the skill do and know the weaknesses the hard part is getting your target to make a mistake before you do. ht etwo biggest mistakes for a cleric are to be the first to either sleep the enemy or spark. do whatever you need to do to not be the first to do this. the first cleric to do one or both of these things will be the loser in an even fight because then all the other person has to do is take one shot and sleep you back then take there time healing debiffing them sparking on you. so whatch your enemy and use your skills at the best time.

final note: i would suggest not trying to get big into pking until you are in the higher tear of lvl's alot of people get upset they cant fight anyone and once you get a red name you are fair game for anybody. another thing dont get upset if there are poeple you cant beat there are plenty of poeple that are better at pk then me or have better gear. that of course is impretant in pk as well. i dont care how good you think you are if you have crappy gear your going to lose. well i look forward to seeing all of you in the game and if anyone is on Harshlands server send me a pm sometime and we will go pking together i get bored..alot lol

-good luck to you all from Nieka b:cute

Euphy - Dreamweaver · August 2010

Basic PvP tactics have been covered against most classes... However against Assassins I disagree with these strategies. Absolute Domain lasts 4 seconds. Expel on yourself lasts 9 seconds be renders you helpless otherwise. Neither will give you the edge you need. I recommend using Occult Ice on the Assassin inside. Then you can Cyclone and Thunder (and Cyclone again if charmed/Deaden Nerves) them. In the 6 second stun you should have plenty of time. With a 70 strength genie it should work 60% of the time - that's the highest success rate against them I've had.

Please note with the Ages of Spirits PvP Clerics got a tremendous nerf. Heart of Steel is a cheap 10 second immunity against our best attacks. Watch out for it. Use Holy Path to buy time while it's active.

Please take further note that archers with the +30 Atk. Bless are neigh impossible unless you cast sleep and defeat them thus. Perfect World GMs please remove it... barbarians and clerics (defensive classes) suffer the most. Veno's kinda because their pets aren't boosted. Boo, sorry off-topic.

~ Good luck from Euphemia Dark

NinnaXXX - Sanctuary · August 2010

i do pk sometimes but i never use plume shell when im fighting bms or barbs lol see i was pking once against a bm he was stunning me like crazy while i had plume shell on and he was like trowing his strongest attacks so what happend xD plume shell ***** my mp ,bm kept stunning me so no mp food even if would be unstunned for a few secs wouldnt get a right heal in time if your 79+ and have wop beter use that =x but i do use plume shell if i have an mp charm lucky stun doesnt have an effect on that

MsEvilness - Heavens Tear · August 2010

Your mp pool dies in about a second vs sins and bms if you have plumeshell up. Obviously it helps, but not much.

Good BMs will have 10k m.def with marrow and over 10k hp, not to mention balance on genie. Eventually they will get close enough to you....

As for sins, domain does not last long, expel doesn't work on enemy players anymore, and unless you know that 1 of them is about to attack you, you don't stand much of a chance.

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