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Archer - from mid levels on better at killing mobs, cheaper - you can make ammo or use low lvl which is cheap, most things will be dead before they reach you, and normal attacks dont eat mana, on runs you will be blamed for wipes because of pulling aggro

Cleric - better at bossess, can solo magical ones, expensive but gets good pick in tt, if you make him on separate account and have 2 comps you can party him with your bm, and you can do almost all instances by yourself (yourselves?), on runs you will be blamed for wipes because you didnt heal enough or didnt heal right person

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I agree with Vistrion b:laugh

pretty much all of that has happened to me.

vristion wrote: »

Clerics =

Constant badgering from other players that never played a cleric, or did one to lvl 4x and thinks they know your class inside out enough to tell you how to play your class during the entire run. yanno..

Heal me plz
Purify me plz
res plz
buff plz (cant we wait till the rest of the grp is here?)

It's your time and your character; you can choose to ignore them, especially ones that ask you often. I am sorry, I am not your back- up guardian scroll. Most people, when in a group, wait for everyone to come before asking for buffs. Not sure how it is in other servers, or if the fact that I tend to help out in TT1-x a lot, so lower levels are a little less prone to try and push me around, but I don't run into the problem of players being impatient.

As a Cleric you will have to deal with zurg mentality, especially from those that think they are super oober. BMs seem to be the worst in that category, and will run way ahead of you attacking and agroing it seems as many mobs as possible at once (aoe attempts im sure), and will be 1/8th HP by the time you catch up for range to cast a heal. Then the **** will of course know your class better than you and demand you IH him.

Remind your squad you are a cleric, the slowest class. Yes. Slowest. If that BM wants to die, let him. Resurrection him if it's safe, only. Don't risk your neck if there are still monsters around between you and the impatient. If you see them run off, let them know, "hope you have pots on you, because I won't be able to save you." They catch on quickly.

In the 5x 6x lvls, you will in most BHs etc, have to endure insane Venos, that think because they can handle world mobs like gods, and even take a few hits, can live the same way in an instance. BEWARE never join a grp with more than one. Or you will have to hear the all time fav "why didn't you heal me" when they all three go SPLAT at the same time. And trust me, all of them will be trying to pull at once.

Never go in a group with more than one veno? Even when I played a veno myself, and actually, went on a BH51 run and it was 3 venos, 1 cleric, 1 sin and 1 archer, we did just fine. There goes that never out the window. Someone who is smart will ask who is doing what. IE: BH100s with more than one cleric; establish who BBs (when it's called for), who is DDing or healing. Communication helps people. Most venos don't even know how to lure; not correctly anyway. Most can't recall their pets in time to save their own hide. THAT is what a true lure is: Send out pet, recall, summon and attack the monster before they are hit. Either or, never heal or take part in something that you think will backfire.

You will eventually ALOT of times deal with agro thieves, at boss mobs, and trash mobs (usually ones that think its cute they can still it from a tank) and will beg for a heal. Even worse they will do it when the tank is having his **** handed over to him as it is, and if you even stop for a sec from your heal chain he ends up in the 20%tile HP land. And people don't seem to realise, it is a bish to get em back up after that....(insert sweat smiley, for no crit)

Warn the aggro thieves, especially on particularly nasty bosses or mobs, that if they steal aggro, they had better be charmed or use pots, because it's too hard to save them and the tank. If they don't listen, let them die. This does not mean 'only heal the tank.' It means be smart and know what you can and cannot do.

As a Cleric, you are not allowed to use the bathroom, fix a drink, go AFK to take care of your kid drowning in the toilet. Because if you do, you will come back to a completely wiped out group, because some moron decides to "clear" while you are AFK. Even worse, you are dead too, guess who gets to run back and res, and save everyone Else's XP? while you lose of course. Some times you'll have to run back SOLO (well most of the time) and quite a few times, will die once or more times doing so. ALL because the moron that wants his lvl 10 res, decided to "clear"

If you go AFK, which I have plenty of times in TT, Rebirth, Warsong, Lunar... Nirvana where it permits, tell them. Most people will be understanding and will actually wait. If someone is silly and runs off ahead and then throws a fit when you aren't there to heal them, res when it's safe. Majority of the time, the SQUAD will tell them they are stupid for you. If YOU are dead when you come back, always make sure you go someplace safe, where AoEs won't get you. Remember, you don't grab aggro from just standing around unless you are in an enemy's patrol sight.

And to top that off, after the **** you went through, the group will most likely break up ALLLLLLLL because you are 1) to slow running back. 2) had to do it a few times from dieing on the way 3) Its now somehow YOUR fault.

Did you really want to be in that horrible a squad to begin wth? Personally never ran into that problem. When people know you are a good cleric, they won't pass the blame on you. However, that takes building up "reputation".

As a cleric NEVER go LD, or have PC problems, or what was said above will of course happen, and it will ultimately be again YOUR fault, in the end.

Lol, connection problems from level 1 until 100. People knew I dc'd randomly at any given moment. However, scores of people decided to take that chance anyway. This is where "reputation" pays off. I had, and still have, a good reputation of being "one of the best clerics" on Sanctuary, so despite high chance of DC, players were willing to risk it because they knew what to do and not do.

To this day, I have never heard "it's your fault the squad wiped."

As a cleric, it is your sole responsibility to spend countless SP and money, to make sure you have lvl 10 res. any less and you are a fail cleric.Irony of that though is, if they die....lvl ten still isn't good enough. You will still be a fail cleric.

False. I did not have a res past level 1 until 85. It was a very well known fact, too. It was my way of saying, if you guys **** up and die, you're paying the price in exp. If I'm losing exp, you'll lose close to what I am losing too. As for spending cash on pots, charms and MP food, yeah, I can understand it. That's why I was happy when i got Demon celestial guardian seal. I haven't touched MP food or pots in 4 months now, almost 5. It's slowly making up for all the money spent on MP costs in the past.

As a Cleric, SOMEHOW you should always have res scrolls. And purchase them yourselves. I guess being the most expensive class to play (in game) isn't good enough, that other people cant bring one along....just in case.

Never brought a single res scroll on me unless I went to 2-3 AE, and that was for only 3 times. 3-3's final boss I still bring res scrolls just in case I lag.

Be prepared to pay over 100k a day to play (if you play hard) And MOST tw factions only cater to the cost of BARB's charms....they somehow forget, a 3 hour TW can **** a clerics MP food fast too, while trying to save his HP charm, QQ

I was lucky if I spent even that much in TW. Seriously. Even when I was still in Nefarious doing those 3 hour TWs with Regicide, one the front line healing Templar.

That's just a few highlights of being a cleric, a rant as well I guess..

Good points are, you will always get a group (provided you never ****, take emergency AFKs, and are not afraid of dieing of thirst).
Factions will always accept you. And if you PK well, can turn snotty nosed sins into quivering QQers

Now as I play my archer,,,, I get to ride on the coat-tails of the clerics problems >

I deem these quotes too harsh. If I ever ran into all of those listed, I would never have made it past level 40. Archers will always have more DPS than a cleric. Clerics are more in damand and require a bit more finesse. Auto attacking is nice, too, which no cleric can ever do unless they are charmed and running a marco. However, if you ever die on your BM, here you have a lovely cleric to buff and res yourself (assuming you have a second computer and it's on another account).

Our damage per hit might be higher, but before we have cast a plume shot and cyclone, an archer fires off 3-4, maybe even 5 arrows. And with the knockback a mob doenst even have to come inside the reduced damage zone from an archer.


Cleric is fun to play.. pve wise and pvp wise. But sometimes I wish I had chosen a some what more 'lazy' class.

- Clerics do more damage due to the fact that they are a magic class. Yet, archers kill faster because their attack rate is faster.

- Clerics can be good soloers later in levels, when there healing skills become stronger. Spam IH and you become practically invincible from the mobs attacks. As for archers you may have to use a few pots now and then.

- If you are looking to be a cleric be prepared to spend loads of money. Their skills are costly and you basically have to max all skills. On the other hand, I've heard archers are cheap. Their skills are affordable and they do not need to use many pots.

- As for in squads, when you are fighting a boss the cleric needs to be their at all times to heal/purify/chromatic heal. For an archer you can walk away from keyboard. Since to keep shooting you don't need to continually hit the button. Yet, you may need to keep an eye for aggro stealing.

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This can be quite untrue. A demon quickshot can easily go for 20mil in my server, a stunning arrow about the same and this is the minimum figure. They are so rare that it can go up until like 50mil or some other crazy number like that. That being said, the worst class when it comes to keeping their skills levelled is usually archers. Yes, archers who still have their STA at level 1 jsut because all of their other skills does not need to be maxed for PvE. -.-

People don't really expect you to buy demon/sage skills (because they know that those are expensive and you can always say if you buy demon revive for me, i'll always be there to rez you or something)

tl;dr difference in skill cost between a good archer and a normal archer can be quite big.

Well I was going for maxing skills at level 10, not level 11. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Yes archers can be expensive, but as what I've heard clerics are more expensive.

Easiest thing to do make both i have made every single type character (Main BM) and you will see what you like the best as an alt i chose Cleric as My Alt (1) i like playing it exp loss pain in but and ya the idiots griping they seem not to understand everyone getting hit.

If you got short fuse and wanna just hit the boss and watch TV go archer less headache just don't take aggro or you get yelled at.

It sounds like you are looking for a good DD class. Being a cleric means you have to heal other while they do damage. An archer can be a great DD but has more trouble going solo. Try a wizard. They can usually kill any mob before they get close enough to hit you. Clerics can generally do this too, but like I said, you won't be asked to DD in most parties.

I've tried both, and I still prefer cleric.

Cleric - You're a valued and needed class, harder to play in squads, versatile (Clerics can DD, heal, res, tank (not that often considering our squishyness, but a few bosses can be tanked by clerics, like Drake and Glutt) and debuff), you're your own buffer (Meaning - you don't have to ask for cleric buffs, ever - because you have them; barb and BM buffs are a different story), you can solo most of your quests easily, good damage, sllloowwwwww mouvement, squishy (low physical defence, low hp unless you shard, refine and/or add vit), can't go afk as easily, ability to fly indefinitely from lvl 1, you need mana all the time to do nearly everything, you need to lose more exp when you die while everyone in the squad that you can res loses next to nothing, some people will treat you like ****, and others will try to pin the blame for their mistakes on you... BHs can be Hell for that reason.

Archer - low mp pool, low hp unless you shard, refine, or add in a lot of vit at the expense of damage, higher damage in general, knockback arrow at lvl 19, faster mouvement speed, a bit less squishy than clerics, you can afk while DDing, starter elven wings drain your mana while you fly, your damage is halved at close range (it really, really sucks at lvl 19 or lower). At higher lvls, though, Barrage isi awesome but the more you lvl it, the more you'll need to spend on mana... it costs more than BB and RB, expectations aren't as high in squad and despite the usefullness of sharp tooth, you're a lot more replaceable.


Cost wise, archers tend to be cheaper, but clerics can be cheap too if you play them right and make some sacrifices. My cleric is fairly cheap because he doesn't earn much - it;s not too often when I get my hands on extra cash, but when I do, it usually goes towards equipment and skills. Hence, for day-to-day expenses I had to figure out ways to conserve MP, avoid dying in instances, make do without res scrolls and often without guardian scrolls and stockpile spare equipment to postpone repairs and one a few occasions, save my life.