vit cap

saul25
saul25 Posts: 99 Arc User
edited July 2010 in Assassin
when should i cap my vit?
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  • BarbLord - Raging Tide
    BarbLord - Raging Tide Posts: 378 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    when you think its enough you could go 1 vit each lvl until 105
    or you could keep it like i did on my sin at 5 forever
    or you can go somewhere inbetween its entirely up to you
  • TunaBreath - Heavens Tear
    TunaBreath - Heavens Tear Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    lvl 1 (5 base Vit) b:laugh
  • Woneo - Harshlands
    Woneo - Harshlands Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I was hybrid 1-90, then i restatted.
    My vit is now 3 :O
  • ACLucius - Archosaur
    ACLucius - Archosaur Posts: 610 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I capped mine at 43 (odd number for a cap), but whatever you feel comfortable with keeping it at. Vit is a luxury, not a requirement.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Didn't get the rest of it, but apparently I am the "destroyer of sin haters" as well.
  • Krue/ - Lost City24
    Krue/ - Lost City24 Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    ACLucius - Archosaur wrote: »
    I capped mine at 43 (odd number for a cap), but whatever you feel comfortable with keeping it at. Vit is a luxury, not a requirement.

    Vit is a restraint, not a luxury.
    b:bye
  • SlashSin - Lost City
    SlashSin - Lost City Posts: 164 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    saul25 wrote: »
    when should i cap my vit?

    Pure or gtfo.

    imho ijs msn bbq tyvm
    The only sin to go from 1 to 102 completely nude b:cool
  • ACLucius - Archosaur
    ACLucius - Archosaur Posts: 610 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Krue/ - Lost City wrote: »
    Vit is a restraint, not a luxury.
    b:bye

    You are right. In fact, since it is, anyone who uses Vit besides a Barb is fail because they aren't maximizing their damage. So all of those other builds which have any Vit in them at all are fail and everyone should reroll to pure builds only. Obviously you are far wiser than everyone else.

    b:bye
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Didn't get the rest of it, but apparently I am the "destroyer of sin haters" as well.
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    ACLucius - Archosaur wrote: »
    You are right. In fact, since it is, anyone who uses Vit besides a Barb is fail because they aren't maximizing their damage. So all of those other builds which have any Vit in them at all are fail and everyone should reroll to pure builds only. Obviously you are far wiser than everyone else.

    b:bye

    You left out balanced BM; they need some vit. Especially since they are the secondary tanks of the game. I'm not saying that they SHOULD build that way, but it is certainly viable.
    Demon_Troll: "takes on the appearance of an innocent archer but turns into a mindless idiot once you hear him speak"
    ~Spazz~
  • BarbLord - Raging Tide
    BarbLord - Raging Tide Posts: 378 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    ACLucius - Archosaur wrote: »
    You are right. In fact, since it is, anyone who uses Vit besides a Barb is fail because they aren't maximizing their damage. So all of those other builds which have any Vit in them at all are fail and everyone should reroll to pure builds only. Obviously you are far wiser than everyone else.

    b:bye

    no no barbs shouldn't stat vit either because with vit they deal less damage and that means less agro and we dont want that a good barb stats high str, some dex so they wont miss over and over*sarcasm*

    @Typhse, ACLucius is just troling i think
  • ACLucius - Archosaur
    ACLucius - Archosaur Posts: 610 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You left out balanced BM; they need some vit. Especially since they are the secondary tanks of the game. I'm not saying that they SHOULD build that way, but it is certainly viable.

    Well, even though you didn't get it, Barb did. Just the same, a Vit build on any class is viable and acceptable. In fact, there are builds which don't even follow any standards but still work, such as the paladin build. Just because you don't think Vit should go on an Assassin doesn't mean that it can't, and it certainly doesn't mean it won't work. My first Assassin was a Vit build and honestly I think in several ways it was much better. On my second (this one) I decided to go with a hybrid build to see how it was, and though I have enjoyed it, I still liked actually being able to fight most bosses that AoE without dying. While other Assassins had to stand back out of the fight, I was able to actually help out.

    So, is Vit acceptable on an Assassin? Yes. Is it necessary? No. Must an Assassin have 4 Dex every level? No. Is the extra Vit a luxury? Yes.

    b:bye
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Didn't get the rest of it, but apparently I am the "destroyer of sin haters" as well.
  • Krue/ - Lost City25
    Krue/ - Lost City25 Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    ACLucius - Archosaur wrote: »
    Is the extra Vit a luxury?

    No.

    restraint?

    yes.

    DD class is made to DD, not to tank.

    DDmoar or uninstall

    Umad? Kkbai
    b:kiss
  • Rice_hero - Lost City
    Rice_hero - Lost City Posts: 140 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    simple answer* if you have $ put some good citrine shards in your gears, if you don't some vitality would help out a bit; theres plenty of good assassin guides on this forum o.o that explains this whole topic. too lazy to search for the link though b:laugh
  • ACLucius - Archosaur
    ACLucius - Archosaur Posts: 610 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Krue/ - Lost City wrote: »
    No.

    restraint?

    yes.

    DD class is made to DD, not to tank.

    DDmoar or uninstall

    Umad? Kkbai
    b:kiss

    If that is true, then perhaps you need to do what Rated_PG is doing and do the minimum Str for daggers to maximize your DD abilities. That means you should have 41 Str only at your level. Guess that means if you don't, you better uninstall by your logic Krue. Meanwhile, mine allows people to actually play a class with the build THEY want.

    Ufail? Kkbai
    b:bye
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Didn't get the rest of it, but apparently I am the "destroyer of sin haters" as well.
  • Rated_PG - Raging Tide
    Rated_PG - Raging Tide Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    ACLucius - Archosaur wrote: »
    If that is true, then perhaps you need to do what Rated_PG is doing and do the minimum Str for daggers to maximize your DD abilities. That means you should have 41 Str only at your level. Guess that means if you don't, you better uninstall by your logic Krue. Meanwhile, mine allows people to actually play a class with the build THEY want.

    Ufail? Kkbai
    b:bye

    see...seee, that's exactly what I meant of "You are the destroyer of sin haters xD" but even though he isn't hating on sins, he is a "if you dont use the pure 4-1 build that i use you are fail and need to uninstall, gf l337 Q.Q" xD gf
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    ACLucius - Archosaur wrote: »
    If that is true, then perhaps you need to do what Rated_PG is doing and do the minimum Str for daggers to maximize your DD abilities. That means you should have 41 Str only at your level. Guess that means if you don't, you better uninstall by your logic Krue. Meanwhile, mine allows people to actually play a class with the build THEY want.

    Ufail? Kkbai
    b:bye

    Every post by you and Rated greatly increases my view of how awesome you both are.

    JFYI to anyone who cares: I had a messed up vit/mag build (Imma noob I know, sue me), but have restatted to almost pure. Vit: 37, Mag: 3, Str: 78, Dex: 262.
    Demon_Troll: "takes on the appearance of an innocent archer but turns into a mindless idiot once you hear him speak"
    ~Spazz~
  • Psudeotrophe - Dreamweaver
    Psudeotrophe - Dreamweaver Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I personally play a hybrid build, 20 natural vit 105 str, and personally it works wonders. because I know if I pull aggro I wont die easily. Having that extra bit of hp buffer works wonders, and it allows me to use my full potential and not run back and bow enemies to death looking like a lamer.b:surrender
    Apparently its more difficult to milk a smurf than originally conceived..
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    15 more VIT gives you 195 HP, which doesn't matter much most of the time. It's either going to kill you or not.
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    15 more VIT gives you 195 HP, which doesn't matter much most of the time. It's either going to kill you or not.

    I dunno. Even thought I only removed 25 vit, which is the difference between one or two hits, those 1-2 hits can make all the difference for a sin, at least one with non-epic gear. (like meb:surrender)
    Demon_Troll: "takes on the appearance of an innocent archer but turns into a mindless idiot once you hear him speak"
    ~Spazz~
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I dunno. Even thought I only removed 25 vit, which is the difference between one or two hits, those 1-2 hits can make all the difference for a sin, at least one with non-epic gear. (like meb:surrender)

    Yeah, it helps a bit in PvP, with charm ticking and all, he was talking about PvE tho.
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    As am I...
    Demon_Troll: "takes on the appearance of an innocent archer but turns into a mindless idiot once you hear him speak"
    ~Spazz~
  • StretchIt - Harshlands
    StretchIt - Harshlands Posts: 327 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    ACLucius - Archosaur wrote: »
    If that is true, then perhaps you need to do what Rated_PG is doing and do the minimum Str for daggers to maximize your DD abilities. That means you should have 41 Str only at your level. Guess that means if you don't, you better uninstall by your logic Krue. Meanwhile, mine allows people to actually play a class with the build THEY want.

    Ufail? Kkbai
    b:bye

    actually you need enough strength to equip gears for interval/dex bonuses and even surviving long enough to deal the damage, therefore maximizing your DD potential. ijs.

    People can play what they want, but vit build will always be fail. b:bye
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Astrohawke - Lost City
    Astrohawke - Lost City Posts: 199 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    In my opinion, capped vit is the worst thing you can do. If you stop at anything less than 50 vit, then you've really made not much difference in your survivability while gimping your damage.

    1000 More hp isn't bad for pre-level 90 as long as you can afford to restat later. Dex increases in usefulness the better your weapon gets while the bonus from vit stays the same. So at 70, you're trading 200 damage for 1000 hp which isn't a bad deal. But at 100 you're trading 2000 damage for 1000 hp which is very bad. Couple that with increased interval and you're losing a lot of damage for 1000 hp which is nothing at that point.

    What I personally have at 8x right now is all legendary armor with 2-3 slots flawless citrine. This gives me 4.1k HP and cost about 3-4 mil total which isn't that much by this point in the game. I could tank bh59 at 7x and have no real trouble questing solo. I feel I have more than enough HP and never felt I really needed 500 or 1000 more.

    As far as PvP goes, if you're surprised by a DD class in PK, you're almost guaranteed to be dead either way. Anyway who actually targets you will 1-2 shot you. If you attack someone else, squishies will die before they can react so HP isn't necessary there. Against BMs and Barbs, I've found they do around 900-1.2k per skill so 1000 more HP is 1 extra hit. Which as I said may or may not be worth it as a trade off for 200 damage pre-90 but will definitely not be worth it even as early as 85 if you get good frost daggers.

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