Nirvana: Light vs Dark

Okeano - Harshlands · July 2010

For the plate it comes down to more base def vs resist +4%. The Light (Lunar) pants seem to have a slight edge over the dark (TT) ones since 180 is more than 10 VIT for both Sin and BM. Can any math wiz compare the differences in base def against the 4% more resistance for meh? b:cute

BTW, what are the set bonuses for each of the set? b:thanks

Oo_Rinoa_oO - Harshlands · July 2010

im assuming light/dark means lunar/TT99.

2 Atk. Level +5
5 Def. Level +10
6 Def. Level +3

this is the set bonus for both case, it kinda sucks that you need 5, not 4.

the set includes helm and cape, not necklace and belt.
so... when you get lunar cape or something, the last set bonus is over your dream.

and i believe...
doesnt these nirv give the same stat?
i think forge and database gives brief info and the real output was the same.

[Edit here]
im your first reply oke

ik, its late...

malteser · July 2010

Assuming a set of 5 dark would give you +20% def & m.def (some say it doesn't work properly)

base:
20453 def
5754 m.def

def = 24544 (86%)
m.def = 6905 (63%)

light set would be:

24609 (86%)
6853 (63%)

def % = (def/(def+40*lvl))

Telarith - Sanctuary · July 2010

malteser wrote: »

Assuming a set of 5 dark would give you +20% def & m.def (some say it doesn't work properly)

base:
20453 def
5754 m.def

def = 24544 (86%)
m.def = 6905 (63%)

light set would be:

24609 (86%)
6853 (63%)

def % = (def/(def+40*lvl))

It doesn't 'work properly' because they did not understand it. It is not a +4% of your def added on per piece, it never was. It was explained in a post in December by Korren, when they gave us a preview of all the Nirvana things, and other Tideborn expansions. Someone with no clue then took the rumor that it was 4% of your total def added on, and ran with it in forums.

Michael_Dark - Lost City · July 2010

HH Nirvana is better if you have ornaments and highly refine them. Supposedly the set is better if you're self-buffed only. With full buffs the Lunar Nirvana is supposedly better. This is just regurgitated info gathered from forum trolling. I have not done the math myself. b:surrender

Astrohawke - Lost City · July 2010

Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »

It doesn't 'work properly' because they did not understand it. It is not a +4% of your def added on per piece, it never was. It was explained in a post in December by Korren, when they gave us a preview of all the Nirvana things, and other Tideborn expansions. Someone with no clue then took the rumor that it was 4% of your total def added on, and ran with it in forums.

So if it's not 4% added on per piece, then tell us what it is. I'm sure we're all interested.

Also, does the TT nirvana get all 5 bonuses or is it a random pick of 3/5?

Lylfo - Dreamweaver · July 2010

one of the things ive read is that the def from armor can be debuffed but the +% cannot be debuffed.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · July 2010

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

one of the things ive read is that the def from armor can be debuffed but the +% cannot be debuffed.

like if u had 1000 defence you have 40 left over? >.>

Devoted - Lost City · July 2010

Meh, the difference really isn't that big. What most people worry about is:

- HH nirvana binds and looks ugly
- CV nirvana doesn't bind and looks good
- Most people have HH armor already so it is cheaper to go HH route for most.

I'm getting cv because I absolutely hate auto-bind.

MagicHamsta - Lost City · July 2010

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

like if u had 1000 defence you have 40 left over? >.>

That's sooo pro!
xD

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · July 2010

Devoted - Lost City wrote: »

Meh, the difference really isn't that big. What most people worry about is:

- HH nirvana binds and looks ugly
- CV nirvana doesn't bind and looks good
- Most people have HH armor already so it is cheaper to go HH route for most.

I'm getting cv because I absolutely hate auto-bind.

WTF? o_O.....

aside...
Lunar nirvana has nice nice MAG stats b:pleased

Euphy - Dreamweaver · July 2010

I don't know... I'm a demon so I chose to strive for Twilight Nirvana. In my opinion it looks really cool for clerics.
So what if it auto-binds? I'm binding my end-game armor anyway so I can PK without any worries.
Once you quench the armor for G15 it will have the same stat.s basically, so the lunar magic advantaged is short-lived. Moreover its balanced by the lower channeling.
Just go for what you can afford / you think looks better.

Okeano - Harshlands · July 2010

If the TT recasted is not better than Lunar then, I'm leaning towards Lunar because it can be solo farmed without having like 4 aps first. This provides a side project for times when I'm bored. For TT99 mats, even your squad does get the gold drop, you'll most likely have to buy it from the squad unless it's your faction squad helping you to get your mats.

I do have to agree that Lunar recasted also look better. If the 4% bonus is not per piece on the recasted TT then I see little reason to choose that over Lunar.

Euphy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Once you quench the armor for G15 it will have the same stat.s basically, so the lunar magic advantaged is short-lived.

Even after the second recast, Lunar still have higher base defense values than TT and that's why I wanted to see how much of a difference the 4% increase is.

TigerLily - Lost City · July 2010

You need very high refines on neck + belt + rings for TT Nirvana to be better stat wise. If everything including rings is +10 or better than for sure go for TT, otherwise just get Lunar.

Most pieces of Lunar Nirvana also gives slightly more hp. It looks better to, doesn't auto-bind, can re-sell it in the future or drop it during pk if you're a nubbie b:chuckle

Some people want 2 of each for double attack level bonus tho. While others want 4 of same for def + attack lvl.

Im kinda biased since i want gear i can switch between chars. I have HH99+7 pants but still spent ages farming Lunar to get pants for Nirvana. Rather waste dolls than have a 150-200 mil piece of gear restricted to 1 char.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · July 2010

Euphy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I don't know... I'm a demon so I chose to strive for Twilight Nirvana. In my opinion it looks really cool for clerics.
So what if it auto-binds? I'm binding my end-game armor anyway so I can PK without any worries.
Once you quench the armor for G15 it will have the same stat.s basically, so the lunar magic advantaged is short-lived. Moreover its balanced by the lower channeling.
Just go for what you can afford / you think looks better.

the magic is only short lived if
1) you plan on getting only 2 nirvana and want the gear bonus stats
2) You plan on getting 5 or 6 nirvana to get the gear bonus stats

if you know you are getting only 1, 3, or 4 lunar nirvana then there is no reason to quench more than 2 of the gears if you are focusing on the gears basic stats alone. The grades will stay the same as well. Im personally planning to get 4 nirvana and quenching 3 out it maybe only 2.

Michael_Dark - Lost City · July 2010

Devoted - Lost City wrote: »

- HH nirvana binds and looks ugly
- CV nirvana doesn't bind and looks good
- Most people have HH armor already so it is cheaper to go HH route for most.

CV nirvana looks lame like HH99 gold. HH Nirvana is pretty wicked. At least the heavy top is. I also like the arcane, haven't really paid attention to the LA. HH Nirvana weapons also look nicer as well. Especially the axes and fists.

As for the price of CV vs HH, if you factor the cost of a 4 piece set, they'll cost roughly the same. The real savings is from making the CV chest which is about half the price of the 99 top, and the difference in cost is balanced by the higher cost of the other 3 pieces. Most people go 99 gold because more people farm it, and with Lunar costing 3m per instance without the ability to hold them, far less people will be going for CV because those changes, quite frankly, suck. Lunar is just not worth running anymore.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · July 2010

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

CV nirvana looks lame like HH99 gold. HH Nirvana is pretty wicked. At least the heavy top is. I also like the arcane, haven't really paid attention to the LA. HH Nirvana weapons also look nicer as well. Especially the axes and fists.

As for the price of CV vs HH, if you factor the cost of a 4 piece set, they'll cost roughly the same. The real savings is from making the CV chest which is about half the price of the 99 top, and the difference in cost is balanced by the higher cost of the other 3 pieces. Most people go 99 gold because more people farm it, and with Lunar costing 3m per instance without the ability to hold them, far less people will be going for CV because those changes, quite frankly, suck. Lunar is just not worth running anymore.

whats a CV...... assuming its lunar

>> next time ima gonna start to call the instances jp pw names

Athelwynn - Heavens Tear · July 2010

HH Nirvana has lower base resists but add a % modifier to balance it to match the CV/Lunar Nirvana. How to calculate the HH Nirvana set you do the following calcultion:

1 piece is base def (unbuffed) x 1.04 = new def
2 pieces is base def (unbuffed) x 1.08 = new def
3 pieces is base def (unbuffed) x 1.12 = new def
4 pieces is base def (unbuffed) x 1.16 = new def

* Note: This is an example and using 4% def gear but some are 2% so change to fit the calculation.

Now when adding buffs it will look something like this equation:

(Base defense x 1.08) + (base def x 0.7) + (base def x 0.65) = new defense

The reason it's this way is you can only add base defense 1 time in the equation.

rhapsodus · July 2010

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

whats a CV...... assuming its lunar

>> next time ima gonna start to call the instances jp pw names

Only if you use the actual hiragana, katagana and kanji symbols

Michael_Dark - Lost City · July 2010

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

whats a CV...... assuming its lunar

>> next time ima gonna start to call the instances jp pw names

CV is lunar... if you've ever done, it's still called Crescent Valley somewhere before Primal Fear spawns, so technically it's a valid PWI term as well ;p b:chuckle

Egaenil - Heavens Tear · July 2010

b:chuckle LOL the extra defence isn't just for the armour piece, as many ppl said before, IF you have high refines for your rings/neck/belt eg 10+ go ahead use TT, if not go Lunar.

But Lunar is harder to farm, and about the look.. well most archer got LA99 wrist/boots Nirv hat/leg rank chest. It is really bad looking if we dont have fashion over top it, I never want to show to people what is hidding under my fashion b:laugh

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · July 2010

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

CV is lunar... if you've ever done, it's still called Crescent Valley somewhere before Primal Fear spawns, so technically it's a valid PWI term as well ;p b:chuckle

ya ive done it. Just a good whole year ago.

Shingetsu nirvana looks way better. :O

Okeano - Harshlands · July 2010

Athelwynn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

HH Nirvana has lower base resists but add a % modifier to balance it to match the CV/Lunar Nirvana. How to calculate the HH Nirvana set you do the following calcultion:

1 piece is base def (unbuffed) x 1.04 = new def
2 pieces is base def (unbuffed) x 1.08 = new def
3 pieces is base def (unbuffed) x 1.12 = new def
4 pieces is base def (unbuffed) x 1.16 = new def

* Note: This is an example and using 4% def gear but some are 2% so change to fit the calculation.

Now when adding buffs it will look something like this equation:

(Base defense x 1.08) + (base def x 0.7) + (base def x 0.65) = new defense

The reason it's this way is you can only add base defense 1 time in the equation.

But this brings back to the point that was mentioned, which is that you don't actually get 4% for each piece. But no one has said what you do get instead.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

>> next time ima gonna start to call the instances jp pw names

Start to use jp pw names on the forum would be epic.

Desiree - Harshlands · July 2010

Athelwynn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

HH Nirvana has lower base resists but add a % modifier to balance it to match the CV/Lunar Nirvana. How to calculate the HH Nirvana set you do the following calcultion:

1 piece is base def (unbuffed) x 1.04 = new def
2 pieces is base def (unbuffed) x 1.08 = new def
3 pieces is base def (unbuffed) x 1.12 = new def
4 pieces is base def (unbuffed) x 1.16 = new def

* Note: This is an example and using 4% def gear but some are 2% so change to fit the calculation.

Now when adding buffs it will look something like this equation:

(Base defense x 1.08) + (base def x 0.7) + (base def x 0.65) = new defense

The reason it's this way is you can only add base defense 1 time in the equation.

Effectively, HH is better in unbuffed situations whereas Lunar is better in buffed situations?

Michael_Dark - Lost City · July 2010

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

ya ive done it. Just a good whole year ago.

I miss old Lunar. And old Frost would be so much fun now with all the well geared end-gamers.

b:surrender

Shingetsu nirvana looks way better. :O[/COLOR]

b:shocked

Okeano - Harshlands · July 2010

Lol idk if I'd miss the old frost. It was quite hell back then with very distanced rewards lol. And wtf was with having the quest at 75? xD

Athelwynn - Heavens Tear · July 2010

Desiree - Harshlands wrote: »

Effectively, HH is better in unbuffed situations whereas Lunar is better in buffed situations?

Actually you are wrong on assuming that HH Nirvana is better without buffs.

Buffed: CV Nirvana > HH Nirvana (large gap)
No buffs: CV Nirvana is still a bit better than HH Nirvana (small gap)
Debuffed: HH Nirvana > CV Nirvana (semi-large gap)

If you get debuffed a lot then HH Nirvana is better for you but if you don't get debuffed much or are PvE then CV Nirvana is better.

Flare - Heavens Tear · July 2010

I am more of a pve player, so I went lunar. With cleric phy def and sage aura, I used to have 16k phy def with full TT99. Now with my new double cast lunar nirvana pants, I get 18k phy def with buffs, about 20k phy def if I cast the plate sitting in my bank. I doubt TT/HH nirvana has defense like that.b:victory

Oo_Rinoa_oO - Harshlands · July 2010

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

CV is lunar... if you've ever done, it's still called Crescent Valley somewhere before Primal Fear spawns, so technically it's a valid PWI term as well ;p b:chuckle

so you farm only 1 valley, not full lunar.
GL buying Tindersb:chuckle

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

ya ive done it. Just a good whole year ago.

Shingetsu nirvana looks way better. :O

Crescent is Mikazuki.
Shingetsu means new moon.

Sorry, but fail. Dont challenge me, im japanese...

dont call me trollb:surrender

Athelwynn - Heavens Tear · July 2010

Oo_Rinoa_oO - Harshlands wrote: »

so you farm only 1 valley, not full lunar.
GL buying Tindersb:chuckle

Crescent is Mikazuki.
Shingetsu means new moon.

Sorry, but fail. Dont challenge me, im japanese...

dont call me trollb:surrender

Challenges you to a rubix cube match b:chuckle

Oo_Rinoa_oO - Harshlands · July 2010

Athelwynn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Challenges you to a rubix cube match b:chuckle

16 sec is my record.

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