Best Attribue Points For Cleric

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aldusmischas wrote: »

I always found somekind of confusing how to distribute the points. In the guide above, somewaht recomends the light armor build, while in some other recomend the pure magic build, the hybrid build and so far, so as I newbie, i cannot say which is the best.

I decided to make the light armor build, adding more magic points in odd lvls. I havent got any trouble (yet) at grinding. Anyway, i upgraded mi apothecary skills, just in case.

hope this helps a bit b:bye

Just an FYI.....most LA clerics do restat at 90+....There are VERY few end-game LA Clerics.


Overall, it is all in how you want to play. Many add a base of 50 vit and then go from there.

Point 1: The most important feature of a Cleric is its ability to heal.
Point 2: The best way to heal is by adding points in Magic.
Point 3: The best way to kill (as a cleric) is by adding points in Magic.

This is all you need to know to build a Cleric. You need to put 90-95% of your attribute points in Magic and the other 5-10% in Strength. You don't need points in Vitality/HP if you level your attack skills (especially Cyclone and Plume Shot) so that mobs die quickly. By adding points in Magic you increase your magic damage thus killing even more quickly.

If you take a beating (let's say 75% of your HP) while fighting a mob, you just heal yourself and you're back to 100% HP. Or you can heal yourself before engaging an enemy. You can also imbue shards to increase your HP in your equipment or weapons.

If, on the other hand, you place points in Vitality you will lose MP, MP regeneration, and Magic attack which is what you mainly need to help while in squads. If a cleric runs out of MP, the cleric is useless.

I've been using this principle all the way to lev30+. I have no points in vitality, no points in dex, only 25 in strength and the rest in magic. I can help tanks with massive monsters/bosses because I can heal repeatedly without ever running out of MP.

Remember to level these skills at every opportunity:
Plume Shot
Great Cyclone
Ironheart Blessing
Vanguard Spirit
Magic Shell

These skills alone are all you need up to level 30. You can add others later but, for example, by level 30 your Plume Shot alone will provide over 1000 HP damage per shot.

Give this a try before you waste points. If you die, its because you either need to Ironheart blessing before you engage or during an engagement or you didn't begin with the Cyclone to slow the enemy.

Keep in mind, however, that this build is solely for PVE and not PVP. If one wants to be a great offensive weapon, then choose another class.

it s comparsion of LA cleric versus AA (points from dex and str are put into vit)


first links show example low level builds (54)

and conclusion there is that AA have better 'defences' against any type of dmg in game



next two links show 90lvl clerics in TT sets with +3 refines

and again AA is better there



last two links show 90lvl clerics with refines +7

where LA is 9% better than AA in resistance against physical dmg

and AA is 62% better than LA in resistance against magic dmg




what im trying to say is that if someone is choosing LA for better 'defence' then he is doing big mistake - especialy on low levels


LA build should be removed from cleric guides because it dont give any advantage beside higher crit rate.

it should be reserved just for end-game and 'enthusiasts' that really know what they are doing - not for newbies who read guides


i believe that with high refines and OHT/ 80-90lvl 3 star gear with really lucky bonuses, LA could be well balanced (and then crit rate becomes factor too).

but yeah -thats for end game and rich gear geeks.

That's all well and good, but no one has defined what AA or LA means? If everyone could define their terms before assuming that use newbies know what you are talking about.

AA means what, points go where?
LA means what, points go where?

What does one equip with in AA versus LA?

Sekzkilla - Raging Tide wrote: »

That's all well and good, but no one has defined what AA or LA means? If everyone could define their terms before assuming that use newbies know what you are talking about.

AA means what, points go where?
LA means what, points go where?

What does one equip with in AA versus LA?

oops b:chuckle

LA - means Light Armor, it define your build also (lotta points into str and dex to be able to wear this type of armor)

AA -means Arcane Armor.

in this comparsion i simply moved points from str and dex (that LA person would use) to vit.

result shows that vit AA cleric will have better defence than LA cler (main reason for many people who switch to LA was that alleged def they were supposed to gain).


@Reichle

girl, u ever tried to read what i just scribbled here? x.x

So just to clarify...

You are recommending the AA build which means a cleric should have:

70% in Magic
40% in Vitality
10% in Strength
0% in Dexterity

Is that correct?

im not recommending builds

i condemn LA build b:chuckle


how u will build ur AA cler (0 vit, 50vit or 150vit) is up to u

muramusaw8 wrote: »

Well, those numbers don't add up to 100%...


He probably is recommending the AA build,
but just keep in mind that all builds pretty much require 3 MAG per level.

That means 3 out of 5 stat allocation points are used up, which leaves 2 left per level.

In order to wield better armor/weapons, one needs to add 1 point in STR every other level,
which means one has 3 leftover points every two levels.


This is where opinion splits. One can invest all 3 points in MAG to enhance the power of one's heals and attacks (this is pure MAG) or one could put all 3 points in VIT to gain 10 hp per level (VIT build) or one could mix and match. Both builds have respective weaknesses and strengths, but the cons can be remedied through refines/stones.




tl;dr - AA build is (per two levels):

60-90% in Magic
10% in Strength
30-0% in Vit
0% in Dexterity

where each stat allocation point is represented by 10%.

^ This, perfectly. If you have a question about how to allocate points, know that you have some liberty as to what to do with your spare points (similar to BM builds). Depending on how comfortable you are with your survivability, add points to mag/vit as you see fit.

Paramedic,

I can't view pwcalc at work, I'll look at it later...but I'm curious how your AA builds have more HP. This shouldn't happen, under normal circumstances. Not only does LA refine higher, you'd also shard 100% citrines in LA, whereas you probably want some garnets in AA. The VIT won't make that much of difference when compared to gems, you're talking like 5-10 VIT needed per gem to even it out.


Also, if you're really talking end game..Nirvana AA gear gives you 2% bonus to pdef and 4% to resist, whereas LA gives you 4% bonus to both. Another point...you can wear the HP helms as LA, which gives you a huge HP bonus.

I am AA, but honestly if I were to start over, I probably would go LA. I really don't see the benefit of going AA, unless you plan on going pure magic, in which case your survivability would be way lower. The only downside I see is that there aren't -channeling LA gear, so I'd probably do some kind of mix, using AA wrists and pants, and the rest LA.

Tryagain - Harshlands wrote: »

Paramedic,

1. Not only does LA refine higher, you'd also shard 100% citrines in LA, whereas you probably want some garnets in AA. The VIT won't make that much of difference when compared to gems, you're talking like 5-10 VIT needed per gem to even it out.
Also, if you're really talking end game..Nirvana AA gear gives you 2% bonus to pdef and 4% to resist, whereas LA gives you 4% bonus to both. Another point...you can wear the HP helms as LA, which gives you a huge HP bonus.

2. I am AA, but honestly if I were to start over, I probably would go LA. I really don't see the benefit of going AA, unless you plan on going pure magic, in which case your survivability would be way lower. The only downside I see is that there aren't -channeling LA gear, so I'd probably do some kind of mix, using AA wrists and pants, and the rest LA.

1. Okay, and what do you shard with to make up for the difference in MP? And arcanes can go vit and then on top of that shard with citrines so that they get even more HP than LA.
2. *Jaw drops* O____O
Why do clerics need -channeling? Maybe wizzys do because of their slow channels, but our channeling is pretty good. The upside to AA is more mana, higher attack, better heals, and the option to put some points in vit or dump all of them into magic (after strength requirements) whereas LA takes away a bunch of mag points and puts them into strength and dex just so you can have a little bit more defense. I think you would have a much better outcome if you put some points in vit and sharded with garnets, maybe even refine a little.

I_skateboard - Harshlands wrote: »

iLovee reading PWI debates lol .. its can get quite interesting b:laugh

i love participating in them...it can get quite fun X3

This is how I started off with my build:
VIT: 3
STR: 1
MAG: 6

I stopped at 60 vitality and went with:
MAG: 9
STR: 1

I have 60 Vitality without my equips. I think a little vit is helpful, though. but that's just me.

Considering some of the AOE's I've seen wipe clerics out and other arcanes, I'd prefer to maintain a balanced build the best I can. I prefer AA with a mix of cits and pdef shards. Depending on the type of situation I'm entering I like being able to swap channeling ornaments for ornaments with additional pdef or run a mixture of the two. BH 69 with a higher end 80s tank I'll run more pdef as I tend to have more melee chars in squad (odd how that works out) and need to be w/in squad heal range of them. BH69 with lower end 80s tanks I prefer to be max range with my channeling gear.

Currently I maintain just enough str for my gear rest is allocated as I see fit between magic and occasionally I'll toss a few in vit.

Ive got my cleric to lvl 66, shes got 11 base vit, 29 with equips, and 314 magic with equips. str is 36 and dex is 5. I was planning on resetting her at 90 to 3 vit, and resetting some str, use my veno's sky demons pearl and TT90 cape to make up for the lost str stats so i can put it into magic. How would a 3 vit cleric with 425 base magic play out at lvl 90? Should she shard with Hp shards or P def shards.?