Psychic build : Light vs. Heavy Armour

bibf · July 2010

I am a psychic lvl 56 now in PW. i have played as an assassin and lost the feel for lone pvp and just murdering players. (thats why i quit my assassin) i want to be an assister or a sentinal so to speak to my friends. That is why i chose the psychic. I am light armor with 3mag 1 str and 1 dex per level. i have ok attacks with good defense now. i dont die in instances anymore like i did with the pure. in pvp i use white voodoo only and cast soulburn on the target to make them kill themselves before they kill me. i also use my DoT's because they arent affected by white voodoo. i team up with an assassin and i am bait. we never fail. unless target is 100+.

Im sorry i ramble on. but long story short, i love my build in light armor. it allows me to play how i like to play. now my question is "Would heavy armor give me a better defensive play than light armor and WHY?" i heard that magic classes can one shot heavy armours. i wasnt sure. keep in mind i want to play DEFENSIVELY. i have no desire to attack. i like players to kill themselves with soulburn, soul of vengence, soul or retaliation and DoT. and i am always in group pvp i hate solo

MagicHamsta - Lost City · July 2010

Best would be the "none of the above armor" armor.
b:surrender

b:chuckle
*cough arcane cough*

TexanTank - Raging Tide · July 2010

"i heard that magic classes can one shot heavy armours"
Other psychics will 1 hit you.
b:chuckle

Reshanta - Sanctuary · July 2010

bibf wrote: »

I am light armor with 3mag 1 str and 1 dex per level. i have ok attacks with good defense now.

You have physical defense, but you lack magic defense...you'll be rolled by pure psys and wizzards.

and 3/1/1..? Where's your other points going?

If you have no desire to attack, then what..?

We can tank some stuff, I guess, but we aren't paladins. We're a DD class. Playing defensively is fine..but don't gimp your ability to take people out quickly.

shaddai · July 2010

and 3/1/1..? Where's your other points going?

Since when do we get more than 5 points per level? xD Unless you mean per 2 levels but he said per level... Either I'm confused or some math went wrong somewhere haha

Edit: Quote failed, copied instead

Reshanta - Sanctuary · July 2010

Oh right. I forgot about that. Yeah I was looking at that from a every 2 lvl perspective.

bibf · July 2010

now that i think about it light armour will be fine. i would hate to get one shot by mag classes because i was wearing heavy armor. i pick light armour then. it gives me a great time in how i want to play. Im just not a pker but i like to help others fight. my pvp strategy is

1. be in a group

2. be in defense

3. cast mana burn on target so everytime they att they take 1000 damage(+/- 200) this is how they kill themselves.

4 cast bubble of life. to heal my buddies.

4.5 work as a distraction and take hits while my assassin friend kills the person attakin me

5. DoT's because they help deal damage and are not weakened by my defense.

6. let my buddies kill the rest. i have a pvp count of 0 . and have help kill about 20 people

7. have fun. i like to do this. its how "I" want to play

if anyone else plays like this i dont know but i love it and i level and kill just fine without dying.

thanks for the help

Chanima - Heavens Tear · July 2010

Arcane is the way to go for a magic user.. especially since Psy needs strong attacks. You are a DD and is supposed to be squishy.

ryukage · July 2010

Fail thread. Both armors make you terrible as a Psychic.

First of all, use common sense. Assassins and Archers frequently complain about how squishy their light armor makes them. And their classes were designed for light armor, yet they still don't like it. 90% of them aren't going to spec for heavy though, because that GREATLY reduces their primary attribute: their DEX; which means their accuracy and critical ratio will be affected severly, not to mention their base damage.

Secondly, there's no realistic way you can be in Heavy Armor and even expect to survive. Other mages will mop the floor with you. And you definitely aren't going to kill anyone with such low MAG.

Let me explain this again (probably the billionth time I've had to explain this to someone). Light Armor is doable (not necessarily great, but doable) on the other mage classes because they all have at least one skill that boosts their pdef higher. Wizards especially, since their Stone Barrier more than doubles their pdef endgame. Venomancer's fox form raises pdef, so if they go LA, its not great, but not terrible either. For Clerics, the mere fact that a cleric is not required to be a DD is enough to justify the damage loss they suffer from specing LA. And a cleric doesn't have to ever worry about being unbuffed since he can buff both of his defenses himself.

Psychics do not, in any way, shape, or form, ever gain such an advantage. White Voodoo does not accomplish this, because its a defense level add. Meaning you'll reap the same benefit from it regardless of what your original defenses were, because its not based on your defense directly. Thus even having White Voodoo offers no extra advantage to a LA Psychic. But lets go deeper than that.

A Psychic is always expected to be a DDer, thats the first thing to remember. Secondly, without a pdef skill, LA will just make you more squishy because now instead of one low defense, you have two fairly low ones. LA is gimp on both defenses, and wearing it makes you gimp on magic attack. For what purpose? It does NOT work on Psychics.

"Oh oh, but the crit rate!" Lv100 LA requires 100 dex, which only equals +5% crit. You can accomplish this far easier with crit gear. Also, try to remember the arcane robe Psychic will have higher base magic attack, which means that if you both crit, he crits harder than you. If you don't crit, he hits harder than you. And mathematically speaking, since crit adds are static, they will always have more effect on the DPS of the user who's magic is greater.

Light Armor is a bad choice for Psychics no matter what angle you view it from. Heavy Armor is just a bad joke; anyone with Heavy Armor on their Psychic needs to uninstall PW.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver · July 2010

bibf wrote: »

1. be in a group

2. be in defense

4 cast bubble of life. to heal my buddies.

5. DoT's because they help deal damage and are not weakened by my defense.

7. have fun. i like to do this. its how "I" want to play

1,4 -> cleric ?
2 -> barb/bm ?
5 -> they do, sure they are not weakened by white voodoo but by your point ditribution

+what ryukage said

BUT
7 -> if you have fun you should do whatever you want
after all, there are reset notes

ryukage · July 2010

bibf, I forgot to mention one other thing.

If the only thing you want to do is support others while they do the killing... roll a freaking cleric. Don't roll a gimp DDer and call him a supporter. A gimp DDer is just a gimp DDer.

LiquidAcid - Lost City · July 2010

Yeah, psy's aren't meant for suppoprt in TW, u really want to have as much magic attack as possible. I would probably laugh at the LA psy that keeps getting 1 or 2 shot by me and have him deal like 1k per hit. Psy's like wizards is to kill as many players before they can kill u not stay and support. Don't think I have ever seen a support psy in a TW b:surrender. So AA is the way to go if u really want to DD in any TW not just die without killing. Unless u can +10 ur weapon than u will be fine as LA but never HA. b:thanks

Reshanta - Sanctuary · July 2010

ryukage wrote: »

bibf, I forgot to mention one other thing.

If the only thing you want to do is support others while they do the killing... roll a freaking cleric. Don't roll a gimp DDer and call him a supporter. A gimp DDer is just a gimp DDer.

Amen to that.

wolfdog68 · July 2010

bibf wrote: »

I am a psychic lvl 56 now in PW. i have played as an assassin and lost the feel for lone pvp and just murdering players. (thats why i quit my assassin) i want to be an assister or a sentinal so to speak to my friends. That is why i chose the psychic. I am light armor with 3mag 1 str and 1 dex per level. i have ok attacks with good defense now. i dont die in instances anymore like i did with the pure. in pvp i use white voodoo only and cast soulburn on the target to make them kill themselves before they kill me. i also use my DoT's because they arent affected by white voodoo. i team up with an assassin and i am bait. we never fail. unless target is 100+.

Im sorry i ramble on. but long story short, i love my build in light armor. it allows me to play how i like to play. now my question is "Would heavy armor give me a better defensive play than light armor and WHY?" i heard that magic classes can one shot heavy armours. i wasnt sure. keep in mind i want to play DEFENSIVELY. i have no desire to attack. i like players to kill themselves with soulburn, soul of vengence, soul or retaliation and DoT. and i am always in group pvp i hate solo

Do not wear HA..........wait, you know what? Go ahead.

bibf · July 2010

im a light armor psychic now at lvl 61. i havent died in pvE since the switch. i frequently duel people to test my power and i have yet to be beat by anyone lower than lvl 90. i dont even need to attack. all of them just kill themselves.

duel start.

i use psychic will (to take no physical damage for 5.3 sec)

i use manaburn (to deal damage equal to my solforce to my opponent everytime they attack.. in pvp its about 1000 damage per hit on mobs its about 5k per hit)

The end (i never even attacked)

thats how every duel ends. for some reason melee classes attack so fast that they hit themselves for 1000 every time they attack and die fast

there was one instance where an assassin actually got to me and hit me 3 times before i could use psy will. my light armor tanked that damage and allowed me to live through the hits. i survived with 200 hp and he killed himself. light armor saved my ****. had i have been arcane those three hits would have killed me. he was lvl 78 and i was lvl 60.

so to all of you who think LA psy sucks. IT DOESNT. i learned to master it and i rock in PVP as a supporter. i stun, dd, retaliate, heal, DoT, Bleed and tank damage. dont flame a build that you know NOTHING about. i live it everyday and pwn. so dont flame the build unless you have a LA psychic yourself and he fails. you might suck but i dont.

ryukage · July 2010

bibf wrote: »

im a light armor psychic now at lvl 61. i havent died in pvE since the switch. i frequently duel people to test my power and i have yet to be beat by anyone lower than lvl 90. i dont even need to attack. all of them just kill themselves.

duel start.

i use psychic will (to take no physical damage for 5.3 sec)

i use manaburn (to deal damage equal to my solforce to my opponent everytime they attack.. in pvp its about 1000 damage per hit on mobs its about 5k per hit)

The end (i never even attacked)

thats how every duel ends. for some reason melee classes attack so fast that they hit themselves for 1000 every time they attack and die fast

there was one instance where an assassin actually got to me and hit me 3 times before i could use psy will. my light armor tanked that damage and allowed me to live through the hits. i survived with 200 hp and he killed himself. light armor saved my ****. had i have been arcane those three hits would have killed me. he was lvl 78 and i was lvl 60.

so to all of you who think LA psy sucks. IT DOESNT. i learned to master it and i rock in PVP as a supporter. i stun, dd, retaliate, heal, DoT, Bleed and tank damage. dont flame a build that you know NOTHING about. i live it everyday and pwn. so dont flame the build unless you have a LA psychic yourself and he fails. you might suck but i dont.

I hate to be the one to explain this to you, but you're not very smart.

In other words you're trying to say "LOL HE DIED FROM SOULBURN I ROCK LOLOLOL"

No. Calm down with that scrub talk. Any psychic anywhere, ever, can cast Soulburn and HOPE his opponent is an idiot, armor has nothing to do with this you friggen genius.

But when you fight someone who knows what a stun skill is, come back and talk. You duel idiots. Get over yourself. Wait until one of them actually figures out what you're doing and, gee I dunno, NOT attack for 8 seconds while you struggle to tickle him with your other attacks.

You're not doing anything that an Arcane Psychic doesn't do better than you. Just because you meet the bare minimum doesn't make you a pro. Reading your post hurts my eyes, there's so much ignorance in it, I died a little reading it.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver · July 2010

bibf wrote: »

duel start.

i use psychic will (to take no physical damage for 5.3 sec)

i use soulburn (to deal damage equal to my soulforce to my opponent everytime they attack.. in pvp its about 1000 damage per hit on mobs its about 5k per hit)

The end (i never even attacked)

conclusion: you duel with idiots

EDIT:
as ruykage said: "You're not doing anything that an Arcane Psychic doesn't do better than you."

Jtb - Harshlands · July 2010

The only magic class that can pull off any other armor and do good damage is a veno only because of their fox form. case closed.

psys already have a bad rep due to the sin's lack of help in squads, dont make it worse!

Kagizyu - Heavens Tear · July 2010

you saying ur a freaking veno, "OMG I KILLED HIM WITH MANABURN!"

its soulburn. sheesh and soulburn can be purified.

DUELS show NO SINGLE FORM of PVP SKILL, no charms tick, people QQ if u genie and pot

if u rock in PVP why do u need a sin to kill the person for u.

and also what if the person survives soulburn? what if a bm stuns for u 6 seconds and psychic will lasts 5.3? thats called ur screwed. stun locked. *****. POINT. SET. MATCH.

CIoudStrife_ - Lost City · July 2010

1st soulburn cant be purified, I've tested it.

2nd to OP, LA fails for the reasons everyone else said. You'll figure it out soon enough. Also dueling sins and BM's is well and good for an example to why LA is good, but what about fighting clerics or wizards or venos? I'm sure any of those will wipe the floor with you before you have a clue what happened.

Kagizyu - Heavens Tear · July 2010

sorry it was a typo o: annddd i lost my train of thought
and yeah theres more classes with magic skills then there are physical skills

ryukage · July 2010

You also have to remember that the pdef on LA still sucks. So its not helping you against the Assassin or the Blademaster all that much either.

Don't even get me started on what will happen to an LA Psychic as soon as a Wizard (or another Psychic) catches up to him.

Psychic build : Light vs. Heavy Armour

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