Too many squishies

AA wizard is squishy?

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Traditionally:

2 HA classes [BM, barb]

2 LA classes [assassin, archer]

4 AA classes [veno, cleric, wizard, psychic]

Veno, however, can be thrown up in the HA or LA category, balancing things out. Also, AA people are more likely to use other armour builds [and have the ability to wear LA for less matk], whereas it's really hard to build even a passable arcane barb or BM. And each magic class has some way of getting them out of trouble from a physical attack.

I think it's not too imbalanced.

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Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

psst lesthar, theres something for you in the HT's forum

Oh, I did wonder if you would mention me in the troll hall of shame. I'm glad it's not the case.
Replied to you btw.

...Now I think you will write my name there. But I am just a nice counter-troll in these forums, you see.

therealist wrote: »

3. What good is being a glass cannon if you have low defense or HP? Would dishing out be just pointless if you die a lot?

When you deal insane damage in 2 shots before the mob hits you.

therealist wrote: »

Why there are so much squishes in this game?

Only non-squishy classes I seen

HA veno, LA veno, VIT veno, HA BM, HA Barb. Rest of the classes are just squishy

Well, I think there's just a ton of sins in PWI atm, because I rarely see Wizzies unless they are at a high lvl and even then they are rare. I don't many Psy's running around but they are not as rare as wizzies. There's still a good amount of Venos and Archers on LC and I have been seeing less and less Low/Mid lvl Clerics in LC.

So, there is a ton of squishes, but most of them are sins. b:chuckle

therealist wrote: »

1. Whats lvl30 attack blessing????

2. I have seen few AA venoes, maybe its because they are at endgame?

3. What good is being a glass cannon if you have low defense or HP? Would dishing out be just pointless if you die a lot?

1. a PWI marketing move. if you have a facebook account, there's apparently something you can do that includes mentioning PW on that account, and your char will get sent a time-limited "blessing box" that increases your attack level by 30.

2. really? arcane venos seem to be easily the most common build on my server... maybe you mistyped and meant HA venoes? those are rarer.

3. you won't die if you can kill the attacker before they can kill you. having lots of glass cannons in the game tends to shift the balance more towards the twitch shooter part of the spectrum, whoever attacks first wins --- or in the case of melee classes, if the BM/Barb can get into melee range while still alive, they win. consider assassins, plenty squishy, but because they dish out so much damage so fast (and because they've got stuns and stealth) they're still very hard to kill simply because few people can live long enough to.

Ok....first of all anyone who says psys are squishy has no idea what they are taking aboutb:angry.Make a psy lvl it up to about lvl 55-60 and then we'll talk....Using white voodoo and soulburn i easily beat bms and even a lot of barbs(and i suck at pvp)....

SilverCleric - Lost City wrote: »

Well, I think there's just a ton of sins in PWI atm, because I rarely see Wizzies unless they are at a high lvl and even then they are rare. I don't many Psy's running around but they are not as rare as wizzies. There's still a good amount of Venos and Archers on LC and I have been seeing less and less Low/Mid lvl Clerics in LC.

So, there is a ton of squishes, but most of them are sins. b:chuckle

General observation, wizzies have always beeen rare, they're hard to play at lower lvls which causes many ppl to quit soon after making em..

A: Wizards have earth barrier
B: Clerics have plume shield, guardian's light, and wings of protection (though WoP doesn't count for much)
C: Psys have white voodoo
All of the above (esp. clerics) can heal themselves
E: Clerics have sleep, freeze, and freeze/seal (though it's a lvl 100 skill), and can chain these indefinitely
F: Wizards have...mini-freeze and mini-seal b:surrender
G: All of these classes can roll LA. Especially wizzies.

Only classes I find really squishy are archers and sins (and sins can stealth and come back to life, don't forget)

therealist wrote: »

1. Whats lvl30 attack blessing????

2. I have seen few AA venoes, maybe its because they are at endgame?

3. What good is being a glass cannon if you have low defense or HP? Would dishing out be just pointless if you die a lot?

1. Jones Blessing, see facebook thing that PWI has going

2. imo, there's very few good LA/HA venos at endgame, a properly built/geared AA veno will have more hp and more pdef than either of these, and naturally more mdef.

3. Kill 10 die, kill 18 die, kill 6 die, kill 32 die... I think I'm doing more damage than I am dying... though I do die a lot... Once I'm noticed by people I didn't kill in 1-3 hits. If you mean pointless in pve, only if you don't know how to play your class (or on a select few bosses) does being glass come into play.

therealist wrote: »

2. I have seen few AA venoes, maybe its because they are at endgame?

Interesting. Well, I'm not officially at endgame, just at the end of my game, but still, I'm one. And occasionally I see other venos wearing pretty much the same dress.

3. What good is being a glass cannon if you have low defense or HP? Would dishing out be just pointless if you die a lot?

Yes and no. In most games, there's a way to avoid getting killed. Look for skills that stun, root, push back, slow down, whatever. Venos are summoners, they can send in their pet to do the getting-hit part.

Now, I rarely die, and if I do it's either because I've just levelled up and trying whether I can do a specific boss, or I haven't been paying attention. I don't die because despite soloing, I know what I can do and what I cannot do. I know how my pet works, how aggro works, and how the monsters "work". My priority is "not getting hit", rather than "dishing out damage". I choose my locations to avoid random aggro and having a safe place to retreat to, should it be necessary. I watch my environment for potential problems. I have no problem watching an area for some time to learn the paths of "wandering" monsters.

Also, being solo, the only thing I can really do about bosses is to stay away --- which also means no large range AoEs, crazy debuffs, dead tanks etc. to worry about. And no players that don't do as they should.

And no, it's not just the squishy chars that get killed. I got to 77 yesterday, and while I was doing todays WQ I decided to try Luminoc Architect. Which I was there, heal-spamming my pet and thinking "this just might work", some barb walks up and basically keeps pestering me to let him join, so I invited him. I couldn't talk to him since you can't chat and heal-spam at the same time. It went ok for some time, but then the boss got a few lucky hits in a row, my pet died, he caught aggro, died, and then I joined the club while trying to get away (which didn't mean much, I had 573 exp --- there's a reason I only do stuff like that after a levelup :-)). Barbs might be considered non-squishy, but when it counts they get smashed just like everyone else.

Basically, AFAICS, nobody solos a boss in Perfect World, unless there's a huge level difference or a Herc in the mix. Along the same lines, I see other people "soloing" normal monsters --- to sum it up, squishy or not doesn't really matter. Only difference is armor repair bills, since as an officially squishy char you are exempt from tanking. Non-squishy chars are expected to tank :-)

It's different between games, but the basic idea is always like above. Occassionally, I've played "squishy" chars that rocked --- like being more-or-less the only class being able to solo all of a game with cheap gear and even protecting your party while you were doing it, or being the one class that could solo 99% of the bosses, despite getting 1-hit by them... but even in those cases, rushing in guns blazing got you killed faster than you could type "oops".

PW isn't any of this, but the Veno-Pet can still take you a long way even without spending cash. Archers get some monster-control skills that do things like push back. Other squishy classes get something fancy as well, or they just get a lot of damage out.

So yes, squishy chars die easily --- if you let them. They need to be played differently from tanks.