PvP this bad?

Can't we all just get along? :O

I once killed a 23k hp barb who was afk with a charm. It took disgustingly long.

angellicdeity wrote: »

The heavily cash-shopped BM's and Barbs can and will tank your triple spark.

Also, having a +12 nirvana bow or any +12 end-game weapon in general puts you in a different class.

Of course you'll be able to defeat undergeared players when you have an insane weapon. But then again, try facing someone else who has invested just as much money or effort into getting gears and a +12 weapon and you'll again see how woefully inadaquet you are.

Could you explain how having a +12 Nirvana Bow puts you in a different class than "heavily cash-shopped BMs and Barbs? I would put them in the same class.

Meanpie - Lost City wrote: »

Again... The Jone's Blessing is part of the game. It looks as though it's going to be around a while. Also, I can compare them to genies because last I checked there isn't a counter to Extreme Poison and Frenzy which adds more damage than the Jone's blessing. If I can kill a barb using Jone's Blessing than I can kill it using Genies instead.

There is counters. Barbs and BM's can use Occult ice to prevent you from dealing any sort of damage. By the time your in casting range of Extreme Poision, your in the casting range of their Occult Ice. People can purge themselves of the debuffs. Furthermore Genie skills arent permanent debuffs. Honestly, you should stop trying to justify your blessings, because in the end your making yourself look like a fool - exspecially comming from Lost City.


Again, Jones Blessings do not reflect your classes PvP ability.


Its amazing how you people come around thinking your awesome now because of the heavily one-sided advantage to blessing.

Meanpie - Lost City wrote: »

Could you explain how having a +12 Nirvana Bow puts you in a different class than "heavily cash-shopped BMs and Barbs? I would put them in the same class.

Well if they are cash shopped too then they are in the same class. But in the post I was responding to you were talking about archers having a +12 bow while other classes have nothing.


If a BM or Barb is equally as cash shopped you will never be able to beat them as an archer.


But obviously you wouldn't know seeing as how you've obviously never faced anyone decent on Lost City possibly from being a non-factor.

Ignathas - Sanctuary wrote: »

i bet its just some random nub typing..
anyways let me tell you smth about pvp in general. ive been playing archer for now like 9 years and it was not pwi but another game.. and point of archer is staying in range and killing people in range.. in pwi it is first time i even see archers tanking or trying to tank people while they are killing them in close range.. archer is a ranger..
what is this nonesence then cleric has almost the same range as an archer? we are snipers and we almost have no range advantage b:surrender if not stunned barb/bm can jump to us in 1 second and start his meelee stuff..
but still archer is an insane dd, and btw i never used jones blessing since i hate reading and i dont understand how to get it :>
and also where does archer have speed advantage except for the 79 skill? with all the mounts and wings and holy path for everyone its nothing like hit and run in this game.. more like hit and kill or be killed b:shocked
i vote: better range, more speed.

Yeah I dont know anything about PvP, mister 22 kills on a PvE server.



Please come back when you get more experience. If you must know, I've played both MY-EN, and this. Overall in this game, unless you've played the CN version, you're experience at this game is really nothing.


Other game experience doesn't count. None of the game mechanics are ever the same. Being good at other games doesn't give you any sort of credit for PvP on this game.



Now to talk about the other miguided statements in your post.


Clerics and other ranged classes have the ability to hit you either by walking just 2-3 steps, or by kiting you forcing you to go to them (big mistake in PvP).


They dont have to tank 3-5+ hits of +30% damage like Melee's do before they can strike back. Hence why Jones Blessings heavily favor ranged classes.



But hey, I have circum to the realization that you cant seem to understand that. Again with your 22 kills and all (easy to deduce your in a non-TW non-factor guild on your server).

"Other game experience doesn't count. None of the game mechanics are ever the same. Being good at other games doesn't give you any sort of credit for PvP on this game. "

for this i agree, it doesnt, in this game archers are totally different then in my previous (too bad in that game gms were bad and hackers took over), and thats why i dont like archers here - no speed or range advantage - wt..

about my 22 kills - wow nice :> last i checked was 15 b:victory

i dont pk here - at all - and thats cos this game has nothing like pk atmosphere well again maybe wrong server, but it has no special rooms for specific levels to pk, e.x. lvl 60-80pk room, also no clan pk - you only pk like once a week for some minutes, also no class/nation or w.e pk.. i havent even tried pking here and doubt i will cos its sooo lame.. (again - after the game i used to play before it got corrupt, here normal pk is smth i dont like/wont like)
but i do love tws and pk in tws - and you are almost never 1vs 1 there and archers truly are not meant for 1vs 1 at least in this game, cos again - they have no speed or range advantage - only damage.. and how can you hit someone with 50% close-range dmg if you are 1vs1 :>
btw any1 knows how kills even count? last hit or dmg dealt? ^^

p.s. i dont pk nubs, all my kills are vs godlike faction (still even now 2nd best on server) and like 30vs 80 every tw ^^ wonder how many kills would mr. "angelic know-it-all" make like that with my lvl 80 armor +2ref. used to be dragonbow +5 and 1-3star ornaments :P and again - i sometimes can 1 hit people :> but i wont lie saying i didnt get 1 hitted by wizzies lots of times :P
and i dont like to cashshop - i spend money on trips vacations my car and things, not pwi b:bye

angellicdeity wrote: »

Unlike regular items, Jones Blessings dont have a counter. Jones Blessings heavily favor ranged classes.



Melee classes have to run to you before they can hit. You can slow, stun, sleep, seal, and a whole bunch of stuff to slow them down. All the meanwhile you have that 30% extra damage boost.




Hence they do not reflect your true PvP ability. If or when PWI ever decides to finally give them a +30 defence level blessing you will have your 30% attack bonus countered. At this point you will see how inadaquet your damage is.



You cant even begin to compare a Jone Blessing to Genies, Charms, etc. Unlike Genies which have counters, a blessing does not.









I'm sure you've never stepped foot on Lost City or have had any decent PvP.


A barb can easily make your spark useless by using invoke.


The heavily cash-shopped BM's and Barbs can and will tank your triple spark.


Also, having a +12 nirvana bow or any +12 end-game weapon in general puts you in a different class.


Of course you'll be able to defeat undergeared players when you have an insane weapon. But then again, try facing someone else who has invested just as much money or effort into getting gears and a +12 weapon and you'll again see how woefully inadaquet you are.




And while we're talking about ganks.... Anybody can win in a gank. Sure you can say you killed a 20K HP barb.... With 2 other people.

you're right i've never been to LC, but just because i'm not from a pvp server means that I blow at pvp, i'd like to point that out to all the pvp server people who really do think they are better than everybody else because they chose that server..

second... about the invoke.. i don't know if you've realized this, but nirvana and lunar have a skill called Soul Shatter.. let me explain what it does, ok?

It removes positive buffs...

meaning if it procs, there goes invoke.

it doesn't always proc, but it can and will a few times.

i repeat, it won't always happen, but it CAN...

kthxbai


Edit: BTW, the example I put about killing a 20K+ HP Barb...
I happened to do it alone and he DID invoke and my bow DID proc.

Ignathas - Sanctuary wrote: »

"Clerics and other ranged classes have the ability to hit you either by walking just 2-3 steps, or by kiting you forcing you to go to them (big mistake in PvP).


They dont have to tank 3-5+ hits of +30% damage like Melee's do before they can strike back. Hence why Jones Blessings heavily favor ranged classes."

btw about clerics - thats what im talking about - wth step 2 steps and same range as archer.. nonesence.. where is advantage in that?

How many shots do you need, to kill a cleric?

And, have you considered impeding their movement?

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

I heard you cant purge Invoke

you can ^^ actually i just did another purge today on a barb who used it.

i still lost the fightb:surrender but it purged :P

Ignathas - Sanctuary wrote: »

"Clerics and other ranged classes have the ability to hit you either by walking just 2-3 steps, or by kiting you forcing you to go to them (big mistake in PvP).


They dont have to tank 3-5+ hits of +30% damage like Melee's do before they can strike back. Hence why Jones Blessings heavily favor ranged classes."

btw about clerics - thats what im talking about - wth step 2 steps and same range as archer.. nonesence.. where is advantage in that?

about jones blessing - again i dont know yet how to get it cos im lazy to read so so far i didnt use it..

and i called you random nub cos you didnt even identify urself.. what if i start writing people with my so called 'alt' 14th lvl sin.. if you have something to say say it normally not hiding not only behind the keyboard like all of us but also behind some unknown character :> b:bye and how can you see my kills and i cant O,o

Firstly, learn about your public profile.


Secondly, you obviously havent PvP'ed if you think you have a significant range advantage.

Zhadi - Archosaur wrote: »

you're right i've never been to LC, but just because i'm not from a pvp server means that I blow at pvp, i'd like to point that out to all the pvp server people who really do think they are better than everybody else because they chose that server..

second... about the invoke.. i don't know if you've realized this, but nirvana and lunar have a skill called Soul Shatter.. let me explain what it does, ok?

It removes positive buffs...

meaning if it procs, there goes invoke.

it doesn't always proc, but it can and will a few times.

i repeat, it won't always happen, but it CAN...

kthxbai


Edit: BTW, the example I put about killing a 20K+ HP Barb...
I happened to do it alone and he DID invoke and my bow DID proc.

So congratulations, you managed to kill a 20K HP barb by pure luck? Consistent? No.


Makes archers viable? Still not.

Meanpie - Lost City wrote: »

You speak as though I've never Pvped without a Blessing. I'm well aware of the fact that they give archer's an advantage. I'll was never trying to justify my Jone's Blessing. I was simply pointing out that there are other ways of achieving it's extra damage. You say archers can't kill other classes with similar gear yet I see archer's do it all the time. You also really need to stop pretenting like all the people on other servers know nothing about Pvp. You are just making yourself look like a fool. There are plenty of skilled players on the other servers. This thread was about whether archer's are competative in Pvp and I belive they are.

There is people on other servers who can PvP well. You just dont seem to understand that most of them that PvP well are obviously not posting on this thread.


With all the nonsense going around. The ones experienced at PvP already said what they had to say months ago, and their rhetoric is along the lines of what I'm saying now.

angellicdeity wrote: »

Secondly, you obviously havent PvP'ed if you think you have a significant range advantage.

Obviously...

Devoted - Lost City wrote: »

My guess is archers benefit the most from jones blessing. A miss is 0 no matter how much attack level they have. shrugs.

Mhm . Archers are the class that can get most attacks off due to being the class with the highest range in the game (only exception might be 1v1 vs a sin when it pop's up right next to ya & keeps teleporting after ) .

The most attacks you can get 1st , the more you benefit from the blessing .

In something like a 1v1 or very small world pk battle I wouldn't call them OP with the blessing since other ppl will react & use apoths,genie shields or rush to stun/seal when they see you or any1 else demon spark , frenzy & what not .

But if we're to talk about TW or a mass pk fest then I can say archers are pretty OP with the blessings as you now have enough dmg both physical & magical to kill HA/LA & AA targets at a faster rate than before while attacking from the highest (safest) range on ppl that are either already debuffed or busy fighting some1 else trying to kill or defend themselves vs others while you're free to dish out full dmg on them .

Also evasion just became more useful and archers are 2nd best at it ( sin evasion that uses skills is too OP ..that can also evade magic ) . Defenses & hp mean less as it's hard for those to keep up with +30 attack lvls but simply evading an attack protects you from all the OP dmg with OP attack lvls they might have , at least it's just vs phy attacks heh .



Oh right & I wanted to agree on the fact that the blessings is kinda getting to their heads thinking that's what archers are actually capable off . The proz are cool as they already know to pvp w/o them but I'd so laugh at all the ones thinking their pro just because of the blessing if they'll remove them .

Ignathas I'm curious..What are you doing on a pvp thread if you think its lame. I mean common dude, you say that you can 1 shot people unbuffed GG. Why not ask the BMs to magic marrow and phys kill em while your at it.

Try doing that in actual PVP insted of "dmg test duels". TW sure, we're good there but then again sins/wizzys/venos etc can deal as much as us, if not more from the nuke skills. The only thing ur doing right now is making Sanc archers look bad. Like Shanz said, its possible but without high refine on sanc..I'd say its time for you to wake up.

I might not be playing on Sanc anymore but I know for sure that their not walking around with +4 armors and +5 weps.