Is anyone else getting tired of all the ragging on venos?

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear · December 2008

Aedril - Sanctuary wrote: »

The only question I have is how many of you venos posting here are currently alt-tabbed out while killing a boss in tt solo mode?
b:chuckle

YAY for TT Solo mode! =D I make good money selling Edges that way. Drums are hard I can't solo that boss yet. He hurts.

Felinea - Lost City · December 2008

Okay I'm not going to read this whole thread. Being a newbie to this game. I started playing in Closed Beta and made my Veno as soon as I got Open Beta running.. I'm now lvl 63 and die ALOT.. I take aggro ALOT... I get ganged and ganked ALOT

VENOS ARE NOT OVER POWERED.

Someone on this thread said a veno can go around nakid as long as they dont get hit(meaning the pet takes aggro constantly)

WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF NOT TAKING AGGRO. WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF A MOB NOT COMING UP BEHIND YOU. the keywords in that post were AS LONG AS THEY DONT GET HIT,,

I have been to almost every fb that my guild does when I'm online and I'm needed just as much as a cleric. I dont see you guys complaining when a Veno tanks a boss for you..
and when the veno is tanking the boss the pet is atking and the veno is healing.
Half the time the veno has to be like 20+ lvls above the boss to even tank it for you.. where as a barb can tank it around the same lvl with a cleric.. The veno and a pet is the equivilant to a tank and a cleric.. it takes a 20+lvl advantage to do bosses yet WE'RE over powered?!!!!!

Quit QQing and respect you're veno's all we do is try to help. b:angry

.. oh yea if we were overpowered it wouldnt matter how stupid the player was it would still pwn.. you dont see that happening now do u ..

Nayiro - Sanctuary · December 2008

people just say you guys are OP because you are a 2-in-1.

But honestly, In PVP,PK, and duals, go for them not their pet and they die, fast.

GloveMaster - Sanctuary · December 2008

People who complain about venos need to shut up we are not overpowered and we dont make a ton more money than other classes, heck my BM makes more than my veno. Just because we can solo bosses doesnt mean we are overpowered other classes can too so stop whining and get over it! lol xD

SlayerMaster - Heavens Tear · December 2008

Eveangeline - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Thank you for taking the time to defend all veno's out there.
I agree with this post 110% .... people say BS about Veno's being rich... I am yet to see it!!
Being a Veno is very hard work, you lure mobs for people, help lower lvl people etc etc and dont get any gratification for it, clerics and tanks get credit always when they help people.

I am a Veno and I am proud to be one, people need to stop all this **** about us and atleast be greatfull when we help them.

I also want to add: DONT TELL US HOW TO FRICKIN LURE, UNLESS WE ASK KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT, WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING!

(I hate that!!!!!)

AMEN SISTER lol. i just started a veno and i am now a lvl 7 i believe and i love being a veno. got my own tanker AND IM PROUD TO BE A VENO

Reikara - Heavens Tear · December 2008

Please don't give me this you're doing it wrong ****. I didn't get to level 71 on quests.
I've said about 100 times, the items I get from grinding and selling don't cut it.

Repairs, charms and all these other costs come into play aswell and i'm left with nothing afterwards. Don't give me CS **** either. I know i''m not the only class having the same problem though.

Mosz - Heavens Tear · December 2008

charms? i dont know any venos that use charms beside hp for emergency in tt squad and that doesnt get used up quickly
maybe while grinding move to spots where you dont get mobbed... the venos i know dont know pot prices since they never need to purchase them

Maiya - Lost City · December 2008

Aedril - Sanctuary wrote: »

The only question I have is how many of you venos posting here are currently alt-tabbed out while killing a boss in tt solo mode?
b:chuckle

I don't alt tab, but I do tend to hit the window button (when I play on laptop, I play it on full), lol. Often leads to "oh ****" moments.

Lessie - Lost City · December 2008

Nayiro - Sanctuary wrote: »

people just say you guys are OP because you are a 2-in-1.

But honestly, In PVP,PK, and duals, go for them not their pet and they die, fast.

yea ignore the fly that does bleed on you and go for the veno that will most likely put bramble hood on, go go melee'em ! b:pleased

Crash - Heavens Tear · December 2008

Kaelis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

hmmm at level 83 if you only using 3* stuff then anyone can have 15mil that's nothing to do with being a veno just you not buying equipment

ok to quote a daft bit of text...i even said its you're own way how ppl play, and on pw-my, did u no how much things cost over there? 500k for 1 cubi/zen?
lets say a drum from HH 1-1 would cost about 400k also, things were expensive **** down there, plus skills for veno arnt needed apart from the main obv 3, pet skills arnt important either, maby the bleed skill and thats it

lol soloing those the 49 cults and first 51 boss at 83 i could do it at 60 at 70 wont have any problems soloing the whole of fb51
and i definatly have to correct u wrong here, u CANT solo fb51, its impossible for that matter, u can do the second boss with multiple veno's healing, but NOT solo, and for the 3rd boss...that boss has a defense curse and would destroy you're pet in 1-2 hits...mmmmkay?

Veno's are squishy? only if you arcane with low health. light armour veno is tougher than wizards clerics and archers which i can 2hit and first hit is stun. Even barbs will run from a light armour veno lol
ive personaly never ran from a light armour veno, if i see a heavy armour, ill just simply ignore it.

i dont no why people are saying they spend money on pots and repairs as a veno either, ok granted, u gota repair you're weapon on that very rare occasion, big deal, tried being a barb? spend about 20k per HH run from 2-1 i remember, and pots? veno's find a shed load just from killing mobs and they collect up as they never need to use them.
like i said, i had a lvl 83, yea it aint that high **** level, but i no how they work, there a pile of **** to level, uber boring from lvl 80+ as there skills are just zzzz, then again, i prefer a char now that actualy involves a tactic or skill to kill a mob, not just hold what ever F key down till the mob is dead...

n0ob · December 2008

Envy - Lost City wrote: »

your bleed skill is bugged

how about you shut the **** up

thanks

Looks like you hate Ren's Bee.

Celebren - Heavens Tear · December 2008

there is nothing venos should be hated / raged for
maybe they have it a bit easier - maybe not, maybe they have more coins then me - maybe not, maybe they die less then me - maybe not, .. could be continued with all other points ...

i dont care about if venos are rich, easy to play, overpowered, able to solo some mobs, .. could be continued with all other points ...
if it would bother me -> then i'm able to create a veno and play one myself.
So end of discussion that all is so unfair and 1 class (no matter which) has all an others nothing - regardless now if this is correct or not.

i like venos and their pets, i like their way of playing this game and what they can do / not do.
i like them in my party in normal grinding when pet holds aggro / tanks and i can kill mobs from far range and NONE of us ppl is getting hurt or dies.
i like them in my party in fbs, special quests, mini-boss kills for the same reasons.
venos are always same welcome in my party as any other class and if i'm able to help them, they also always get the same help then every class.
So far about those pixels on screen

i also like venos, same then every other class, cause for sometimes chatting with their POs behind this char. They are same humans then i'm and so the earn the same respect as all other ppl here

Kaelis - Heavens Tear · December 2008

Crash - Heavens Tear wrote: »

hmmm at level 83 if you only using 3* stuff then anyone can have 15mil that's nothing to do with being a veno just you not buying equipment

ok to quote a daft bit of text...i even said its you're own way how ppl play, and on pw-my, did u no how much things cost over there? 500k for 1 cubi/zen?
lets say a drum from HH 1-1 would cost about 400k also, things were expensive **** down there, plus skills for veno arnt needed apart from the main obv 3, pet skills arnt important either, maby the bleed skill and thats it

lol soloing those the 49 cults and first 51 boss at 83 i could do it at 60 at 70 wont have any problems soloing the whole of fb51
and i definatly have to correct u wrong here, u CANT solo fb51, its impossible for that matter, u can do the second boss with multiple veno's healing, but NOT solo, and for the 3rd boss...that boss has a defense curse and would destroy you're pet in 1-2 hits...mmmmkay?

Veno's are squishy? only if you arcane with low health. light armour veno is tougher than wizards clerics and archers which i can 2hit and first hit is stun. Even barbs will run from a light armour veno lol
ive personaly never ran from a light armour veno, if i see a heavy armour, ill just simply ignore it.

hmm what are you talking about what does the cost of zen have to do with what you said? you said you were only using 3* gear at level 83 well if you was using TT/legendary gear then you would of spent that so talking about zen has nothing to do with what either of us said. You saying how much TT mats cost there just proves my point that if you did have proper gear then you would of spent 15mil lol

Yes a veno can second boss is phy it doesn't even hit 1k against high level golem will just take forever to kill and a level 72 killed myriadtail for my 51 so um yeah it is not impossible

you do know veno's can have more than 1 pet and rez them right lol when golem died summoned second one used tough and rezed the first then swapped them around

hmm you try attack a light armour veno once it debuffs and curse's you and then uses hood it wont even have to fight back you'll kill yourself by attacking....

liethe · December 2008

This thread really didn't need to be made, as it was begging for the kind of reaction it got, but even so, all the people whining about venomancers being easy and overpowered? Go make a veno then. Your problems just got solved, according to your logic.

Have a nice day.

Ermosa - Heavens Tear · December 2008

eat a lot of food? u need feed pet every 5 mins, 100 pet foods(water) cost how much? 5k? and now count in how many hours u need buy new stack of them...when others classes spend 50k pots in hour?

veno is money maker, i have veno, i made it full mag, and didnt lvled up scarab skill, i still do do much dmg only cuz of int and mana bar is always full, i barely use pots, i have over 200+ of them, i give them out to ppl who i accidently ks as a apologaze :x
i dun need best gears, till now i have used only what i pick up, cuz it rly doesnt matter as monsters dun get close to me because of pet.repairing is cheap, all i have to repair is my weapon. so in a day i spend money on repairing weapon once in a day and buying 100 pet foods...thats 10k i have to spend...venos r money makers if u know how to play them

Lotus - Lost City · December 2008

>.< I put this post up as a joke really, but I didn't expect this much reaction. It was kinda to just prove to my guildies why ppl we were squading with that were yelling if I didn't tele cause I was broke. I always got the same answer "Your a veno, how can you be broke?". I have never had more than 150k on my account, never. I go through mp pots like crazy, which by the way if you haven't noticed are more expensive then the hp ones. I also use an mp hiero and go through a gold in about two days. Yeah I only have to buy one cause of the soul transfusion, but that just means it gets eaten faster than what a cleric or wizard would have, which evens out in the end on their hp pot and hiero cost. Also on the food matter, mounts consume slower than regular veno pets because they die and lose chunks of loyalty. It is also necessary to keep them feed constantly to keep their attack up and to get them to lvl faster than a snail. The water (cheapest food) doesn't give much loyalty so most venos buy the seasame oil. Its more cost effective and about the cost of the mp potions. I can easily go through 250 seasame oils in a bad FB or HH run.

And if you still don't think this post needed to be made why are so many hateful reactions on it? I don't get it honestly. All the clerics and wizards I know have way more coins then I do, but it doesn't bug me. Barbs I know are taking on stuff that I run in terror from if my pet dies (which is frequently), but I pt them instead of complain. Picking out a class to pick on because you suck at a game is nothing more than practice racism.

B_O_N_D - Lost City · December 2008

Envy - Lost City wrote: »

your bleed skill is bugged

how about you shut the **** up

thanks

OWNEDb:laugh

eclaire · July 2010

Venos arent OP... it all depends on how good you can play it. Take me 4 example. I die several times a day. i use tonnns of pots cuz my hp and mp keep on running out and my selfheal skills r in cooldown. i barely get to farm anything because i dont even have enough inventory space. i dont make tons of money trying to sell rare pets cuz i cant get one. it respawns every 12 hours, i camped there for the whoooole day and nothing. b:cry BTW for anyone who thinks bramble hood is OP it requires 2 sparks and only lasts 15 sec! IMO 15 sec in grinding is completely useless and watre the chances a veo's gonna have 2 sparks EVERY time they PvP someone?? Ya... my rant is done b:chuckle plz do not comment on wat a sucky veno i am b:surrender

Lylfo - Dreamweaver · July 2010

pro necro b:victory

Lesthar - Heavens Tear · July 2010

A superb...ly fail necro indeed.

SerenityMare - Dreamweaver · July 2010

Necro'd threads save me the trouble to answering some of the people that replied to this topic. b:chuckle

drakuns · July 2010

Lotus - Lost City wrote: »

Pros:
1. Pet and veno can attack two mobs at once

Obviously not that kind of a good point. Venoes can do many things and be lazy venoes whenever they please, other classes do not

Lotus - Lost City wrote: »

2. Pet can attack while veno gathers mats / herbs / drops

Same thing as one, pet can do all the work while the veno doesn't, try gathering herbs/mats/drops on other classes and then tell me.

Lotus - Lost City wrote: »

3. Lurering capablity (also achievable by an archer who knows what they are doing)

Best at luring with their pets, ranged classes and assassins can have ways of luring, try figuring it out why. So its a true statement there

Lotus - Lost City wrote: »

4. Able to solo certain bosses due to a glitch

sorry to say, but glitches does not prove as a pro.

Lotus - Lost City wrote: »

5. Bramble buff that reflects melee back on attacker

Its glitched in PK I heard, but other than that, true

Lotus - Lost City wrote: »

6. Summer sprint provides longer increased speed

which allows them to kite effectively, which makes them typically impossible to die. With or without pet when you use frost scarab / stunning blow mix.

Your forgetting about the effects of pet skills that makes veno even more nasty and more of a better soloist. Pretty much with genie too, veno is typically invincible.

Key pet skills in PVE is, bash, strong, tough and reflect
in PVP, slow, pounce, howl and DMG buff

Lotus - Lost City wrote: »

Cons:
1. Squishy (with out pet a veno is screwed, especially if more than one mob is aggroed)

This is so terrible for a veno, again, summer sprint + frost scarab / stunning blow. On top of that, you have fox form for a reason, which is better than caster form. You should of rolled a real squishy

Lotus - Lost City wrote: »

2. AOE spell is far weaker than the other range attacking classes get

True

Lotus - Lost City wrote: »

3. Weaker to surprise PKing

Learn how to use elements of surprise with your pet

Lotus - Lost City wrote: »

4. Unless you know to grab the bee when you are a lowbie (and many players don't) you end up spending a huge amount of time lvling the thing to catch it up to you.

Pets level fast easily, you seem poor and lack of patience when it comes to grinding like most people.

Lotus - Lost City wrote: »

5. Pets eat a LOT and the cost of that food to keep multiple pets at full loyalty eats a hole in what you earn. That's added on top of the cost of potions, equips, skills, etc... that all other classes have and evens out the small advantage venos have on grinding mobs their lvl or lower for coins. That advantage is there for a reason, to even out the odds on cost. Most venos are not filthy rich off this small gain.

Pet water? this have got to be the cheapest bill ever. Potions are close to never needed for venoes in any situation. + Venoes make and save the most money after psychic.

Lotus - Lost City wrote: »

6. All class pets require luck, a high lvl, or both. Majority of the mobs needed to be tamed for an all class pet are rare (some even only spawning every 12 hours), and are camped out heavily so only a few venos can tap this resource. The all-classes pets also require multiple eggs each to make. So they are NOT a cash cow for all venos as so many ppl asume.

High LVL to catch a rare pet? I caught some rare pets with veno at 20+ (hare and frog) but this have nothing to do with cons because the majority venoes rely on overpowered cash shopped pets more than rare.

Lotus - Lost City wrote: »

7. The added speed is a venos main line of defense when a pet dies.

Pets are basically what venoes rely on instead of their own defenses and HP. Which is their own fault. Pets can DD while venoes tank.

Lotus - Lost City wrote: »

8. Out ranged my archers (as are all the classes, but no one seems to complain about that now do they?)

Venoes can never ever ever ever ever ever be touched if you learn how to play, unless in PVP against a ranged class. Or From AOEs, other than that, you need to learn how to control aggro

Lotus - Lost City wrote: »

9. The assumption by many not familiar to pets, that a magmite = tank against bosses. Yes a lvl 55+ could tank the FB19 bosses, but that magmite dies against the FB29 unless another veno is helping with the healing, which is really no different then a barb and cleric team tanking. Yes they can tank mobs around the pet's lvl and a few lvls higher but a magmite is not an actual tank. That's why barbs (and in the case of magical bosses, blademasters) are there. A veno is a lure and a DD like an archer or wizard.

Seriously, again, it depends on how you managed, I squad with a LVL49 veno that typically SOLOED the whole place with average equipment. She used a glacial walker and eldergoth while her weapon sucks. Your not managing your pets right.

Your cons that I only agree with is not good enough AOEs, + they aren't the best DDs. But it sounds like your saying venoes are weak without their pets. But if you don't know how to manage your own self, then you seriously need to continue playing, wizard, cleric and wizard. Your going to have it a LOT easier as a veno if you learn the real mage classes.

Why don't people kite? Do they even know what kiting is?

truekossy · July 2010

drakuns wrote: »

b:sweat

You are responding to a post made one and a half YEARS ago. This thread, and your response to it, are no longer relevant in any way.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear · July 2010

To drakuns: Why bother? It was supposed to be a dead thread. You were arguing to the shadow of a past poster. Don't expect a reply soon.

SerenityMare - Dreamweaver · July 2010

drakuns wrote: »

Obviously not that kind of a good point. Venoes can do many things and be lazy venoes whenever they please, other classes do not

Same thing as one, pet can do all the work while the veno doesn't, try gathering herbs/mats/drops on other classes and then tell me.

Best at luring with their pets, ranged classes and assassins can have ways of luring, try figuring it out why. So its a true statement there

sorry to say, but glitches does not prove as a pro.

Its glitched in PK I heard, but other than that, true

which allows them to kite effectively, which makes them typically impossible to die. With or without pet when you use frost scarab / stunning blow mix.

Your forgetting about the effects of pet skills that makes veno even more nasty and more of a better soloist. Pretty much with genie too, veno is typically invincible.

Key pet skills in PVE is, bash, strong, tough and reflect
in PVP, slow, pounce, howl and DMG buff

This is so terrible for a veno, again, summer sprint + frost scarab / stunning blow. On top of that, you have fox form for a reason, which is better than caster form. You should of rolled a real squishy

True

Learn how to use elements of surprise with your pet

Pets level fast easily, you seem poor and lack of patience when it comes to grinding like most people.

Pet water? this have got to be the cheapest bill ever. Potions are close to never needed for venoes in any situation. + Venoes make and save the most money after psychic.

High LVL to catch a rare pet? I caught some rare pets with veno at 20+ (hare and frog) but this have nothing to do with cons because the majority venoes rely on overpowered cash shopped pets more than rare.

Pets are basically what venoes rely on instead of their own defenses and HP. Which is their own fault. Pets can DD while venoes tank.

Venoes can never ever ever ever ever ever be touched if you learn how to play, unless in PVP against a ranged class. Or From AOEs, other than that, you need to learn how to control aggro

Seriously, again, it depends on how you managed, I squad with a LVL49 veno that typically SOLOED the whole place with average equipment. She used a glacial walker and eldergoth while her weapon sucks. Your not managing your pets right.

Your cons that I only agree with is not good enough AOEs, + they aren't the best DDs. But it sounds like your saying venoes are weak without their pets. But if you don't know how to manage your own self, then you seriously need to continue playing, wizard, cleric and wizard. Your going to have it a LOT easier as a veno if you learn the real mage classes.

Why don't people kite? Do they even know what kiting is?

Just read the first half of Les' siggy and then you'll find that you wasted a good amount of arguing with a ghost. b:chuckle

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver · July 2010

eclaire wrote: »

Venos arent OP... it all depends on how good you can play it. Take me 4 example. I die several times a day. i use tonnns of pots cuz my hp and mp keep on running out and my selfheal skills r in cooldown. i barely get to farm anything because i dont even have enough inventory space. i dont make tons of money trying to sell rare pets cuz i cant get one. it respawns every 12 hours, i camped there for the whoooole day and nothing. b:cry BTW for anyone who thinks bramble hood is OP it requires 2 sparks and only lasts 15 sec! IMO 15 sec in grinding is completely useless and watre the chances a veo's gonna have 2 sparks EVERY time they PvP someone?? Ya... my rant is done b:chuckle plz do not comment on wat a sucky veno i am b:surrender

I'll only coment on the fact that this thread is over 2 years old

DrkLordZ - Sanctuary · July 2010

no one hate venos? they not that good, they are only worth getting in a squad for nix and herc. We do not need a veno to pull, we can just use earthflame.

truekossy · July 2010

DrkLordZ - Sanctuary wrote: »

no one hate venos? they not that good, they are only worth getting in a squad for nix and herc. We do not need a veno to pull, we can just use earthflame.

Because we totally had genies, BHs, Hyper FC, Supply Stash, Easily gained oracles, G7 shards for 150k, Instance blessings, etc in 08 amirite? b:sweat

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear · July 2010

i second this! i've been on since nearly the beginning, and the single most annoying thing i hear is how rich venos are supposed to be. IF i managed (by mommy's credit card, or, your own,) to buy enough pet packs long ago, to get the legendaries, yes, youu can make more than the rest of us. but those pets were never intended to be common....so its unreasonable, and unfair to expect all venos to own them. the game is built so that most venos *CATCH*, train and use the pets available in the game. and yes, its doable. i do TTs with my armoured bear, kowlin, golems and other pets-the right pet for the right job. people who think a herc is the whole ball of wax have a narrow point of view, and rather a dangerous one, since they are so slow, and unless you put the right moves on them, they arent as effective as they could be.

but most of us dont have money rolling out our ears, we do what we can with our caught pets, doing quests, WQs,JQs and other dailies, and grind. but not all of us are able to spend the hours it takes to do all those, so we make less and level slower. then too, there are some of us who are in the game as a way to relax, take time away from the real world, and enjoy the beauty of the world the deves made (they sure got that right, whatever other problems we have with them), enjoy choosing and playing pets that fit our own mood and personality. and no one has the right or privilege to criticize any player for that.

Eveangeline - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Thank you for taking the time to defend all veno's out there.
I agree with this post 110% .... people say BS about Veno's being rich... I am yet to see it!!
Being a Veno is very hard work, you lure mobs for people, help lower lvl people etc etc and dont get any gratification for it, clerics and tanks get credit always when they help people.

I am a Veno and I am proud to be one, people need to stop all this **** about us and atleast be greatfull when we help them.

I also want to add: DONT TELL US HOW TO FRICKIN LURE, UNLESS WE ASK KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT, WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING!

(I hate that!!!!!)

Rawrgh - Raging Tide · July 2010

I find it funny half the people here don't realize this is a necro.

Is anyone else getting tired of all the ragging on venos?

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