True form: Sign our petition!
YordaUjain - Dreamweaver
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For all those who think we barbs should have true form, follow this link:
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Something i'd like to comment on here:
1) Yes it's true, the white wolf and the fox are a part of "Chinese mythology"
2) This:
and 3) It isn't like we are removing the white wolf/veno completely just "adding" to it. I do not think it is fair on barbs that they have so little uniqueness.
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IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »I hope PW NEVER, EVER, changes the untammed race, including the true form. It is one of the few things in the game that retains a direct link to chinese history and mythology.
True form is a white tiger because the white tiger is the king of all animals. Is the strongest and most powerful, and it would guard the graves of noble heroic generals. In times of war, the white tiger would help the armies against their enemies.
The fox is the the true form for venos (the name veno is a misstranslation, same as barbarian) because that is what they were. Beautiful women that preyed on lonely travelers souls, and were able to talk with other animals. When they were not in the human form as a beautiful young woman, they would turn into foxes and disapear into the forest.
Please, leave the untammed alone. Go find some other cause to fight for, like having PW fix the bugs.
Something i'd like to comment on here:
1) Yes it's true, the white wolf and the fox are a part of "Chinese mythology"
2) This:
Ok, two things I caught in that text: 1)Kirin? So what, the giant Kirin rides we have are what? Dragons, right? So if their white tigers where so important, then why are the Kirins dragons instead? 2)Metal? So if the tigers should have the metal element, then why is it that the winged elves have this element instead? Shouldn't the winged elves be associated with the fire element since they fly and so do phoenixes, which are also the holders of the South? And then shouldn't humans be water since they live in the North? Players shouldn't even have the wood element then, since Archosaur is in the East and there are no starter cities there. Oh, and now with the Tideborns, shouldn't THEY be fire since they now hold the South or something?
My point is, the game isn't ruled by mythology, it's also ruled by what gaming/gamers need. Like, you couldn't just ban the wood element from players since there are no East starter cities. And we couldn't all be riding on only giant tortoises, white tigers, red birds and dragons. I'm also certain that the reindeer have nothing to do with their culture/mythology, deer yes, reindeer no. Including polar bears, panthers, DINOSAURS(raptor ride and Archosaur), Hell Hounds, giant flying swords, mantas, fish people, elves, blood thirsty monsters, gothic clothes, punk clothes, swimsuits, vampire clothes, the western(aka: American, English, French, Italian, German, etc) dresses.
And of course, the basic teachings of Buddhism, where you're taught to not be obsessive with earning material things *cough*money*cough*, and also how you're supposed to always take other people's ideas into consideration. Not to mention that the whole point of the game runs down a big teaching in their culture: pacifism. If you don't know what that means, google it. the whole point of this game is to kill monsters and become stronger right? Ask any real Buddhist and he'd tell you that killing this is against their religion/culture(like most), let alone killing to gain personal things.
In the end, this giant speech that wasn't meant to be this big, is summed down to this: If they've twisted the culture/mythology this much already, then it wouldn't hurt to change it a little more, especially if this twisting it bringing in just a little more of the mythology. Wolves, rabbits, pandas, deer, lions, and cats are all part of the ancient Chinese mythology. If you've brought in a small part of the animal part of their mythology, then you should bring it all in
and 3) It isn't like we are removing the white wolf/veno completely just "adding" to it. I do not think it is fair on barbs that they have so little uniqueness.
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Signed it b:victory good luck![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]<3 by Silvy
Reborn ditzy archer with a serious oreo addiction =3
'...cuz my IQ is just above what is required to function as a human' - tsumaru20 -
NO.
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Absolutely not.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Thanks for the sig Ophida0 -
Guess who fixed your title...?
*point* THIS guy. b:cool
Also, I guess I'll sign it, I've nothin' better to do at the moment...besides Pokemon.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I present to you the winner of Konari's Signature Contest...SilversMoon from Heaven's Tear!0 -
Now thats a nice idea. Signed it. I wonder if this will do anything. b:victory0
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we need true form. barbs have NO cuztomization. jus eye color OOOOO thats so much i cant handle it. we cant even wear a hat!!!! wtf.GRAPHICS AND MOTION DESIGNER0
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Then venos should be able to transform into bunnies/kitties/devils/whatever...b:shutup[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Signed. Good luck.0
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KonariRaiden wrote: »Guess who fixed your title...?
*point* THIS guy. b:cool
Also, I guess I'll sign it, I've nothin' better to do at the moment...besides Pokemon.
Awesome, thanks lol. I need to stop making stupid typos like that.
Thanks for your support guys. I will be sending the petition to the devs in china here once I hit around 20k people (at least) . It would be great if you could get your friends/faction to sign. Thanks again for your support guys it's appropriated.
I also have a friend playing that version of the game, and am hoping to get leads from him on this matter. I'll keep you posted.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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uhm last time I checked, devz were in california b:surrender o and signed[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Thankiez to Dorset for the sig!
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Grippieluver - Lost City wrote: »uhm last time I checked, devz were in california b:surrender o and signed
Actually, the GM's are in Cali. The Devs, in other words the ones who actually handle the code and are responsible for just about everything in game are in China. You have to remember, PWI started as PW over in China, and they still have final say over what happens in game.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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With barbs lacking highly in indivisibility
..indivisibility?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Lairian - Sanctuary wrote: »Actually, the GM's are in Cali. The Devs, in other words the ones who actually handle the code and are responsible for just about everything in game are in China. You have to remember, PWI started as PW over in China, and they still have final say over what happens in game.
oh... okayy...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Thankiez to Dorset for the sig!
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buttercupcruella wrote: »Then venos should be able to transform into bunnies/kitties/devils/whatever...b:shutup
I second (third, fourth, fifth, and so on) this motion! What's good for the gander is good for the goose!Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »With barbs lacking highly in indivisibility
..indivisibility?
lulzThere's no such thing as a "Perfect World" full of Jade, diamonds, gold, and other riches and treasures. There is only an imperfect world, with an imperfect society, full of imperfect people, with imperfect idea's about how to be perfectly rich and perfectly perfect. No one cares about being perfectly kind, perfectly fair, or perfectly content.
It's a perfectly sad world.0 -
bumpyump XD
hows the petition cominalong?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]<3 by Silvy
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buttercupcruella wrote: »Then venos should be able to transform into bunnies/kitties/bats/whatever...b:shutup
Fixed it
Anyways being able to customize the true form would be a good idea. I'll sign it."If God gives you lemons, then get a new God"-Powerthirst0 -
bump for justice O>o
i;d lvoe it if the devs took in this petition, venoa and barbs will have victoryy! b:victory[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]<3 by Silvy
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Esnemyl - Dreamweaver wrote: »bump for justice O>o
i;d lvoe it if the devs took in this petition, venoa and barbs will have victoryy! b:victory
40 people have signed it atm. We still need another 19k or so lol.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I wonder how will a true form barb carry a true form veno.....[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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So you want the devs to spend a goodly amount of time working on something that affects only a moderate percentage of the players, doesn't really add anything to the game, takes time away from working on real issues, and goes against the mythology of the game.
Pretty pro.
I'd like the devs to make elves fly in supersonic transforming jetplanes.
Wanna make a petition for that too?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »So you want the devs to spend a goodly amount of time working on something that affects only a moderate percentage of the players, doesn't really add anything to the game, takes time away from working on real issues, and goes against the mythology of the game.
Pretty pro.
I'd like the devs to make elves fly in supersonic transforming jetplanes.
Wanna make a petition for that too?
1) God amount of time? No. As it's already been said hereAll you would need to do is recolor/edit models already in game. I did a similar thing to this with Milkeshape (3D Model editor) didn't take me long at all. Around 3 hours max per model. I don't know what format PWI uses for their models but in .MAX It took me under an hour.
2)Not everyone is happy with everything implanted, for example if the arena was to be reopened, or the horns brought back people would have different views on what they want. Not everyone can be happy.
3)Your joke sucks, if you want to mock me. Don't bother replying.
4)As I quoted on the first post, we are not removing the white tiger or fox, we are simply adding to it.
5) Goodbye b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Signed! I'm definately rooting for this one. b:thanks0
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ANY time spent doing something un-needed like this is time taken away from fixing actual issues with the game - and lord knows they don't appear to spend much time doing that anyway.
The basic point is that you are asking them to change the mythology behind the game. The 'true forms' of the untamed race are white tigers and cute little red foxes. By asking them to implement all of the other forms you are asking not for 'true form' but for 'personalized form.'
So in the end yes, I am opposed to them spending time working on something that changes the mythology of the game in the name of needless graphical fluff.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Thanks for the sig Ophida0 -
FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »ANY time spent doing something un-needed like this is time taken away from fixing actual issues with the game - and lord knows they don't appear to spend much time doing that anyway.
I don't think taking out a week of time at max, with bug testing is really going to have a huge impact on the "fixing bugs" tbh. You said it yourself they don't even seem to be putting much effort into that either, so I'm pretty sure they can find time.FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »asking them to change the mythology behind the game. The 'true forms' of the untamed race are white tigers and cute little red foxes. By asking them to implement all of the other forms you are asking not for 'true form' but for 'personalized form.'
As I quoted on the first page, the "mythology" is pretty flawed.Ok, two things I caught in that text: 1)Kirin? So what, the giant Kirin rides we have are what? Dragons, right? So if their white tigers where so important, then why are the Kirins dragons instead? 2)Metal? So if the tigers should have the metal element, then why is it that the winged elves have this element instead? Shouldn't the winged elves be associated with the fire element since they fly and so do phoenixes, which are also the holders of the South? And then shouldn't humans be water since they live in the North? Players shouldn't even have the wood element then, since Archosaur is in the East and there are no starter cities there. Oh, and now with the Tideborns, shouldn't THEY be fire since they now hold the South or something?
My point is, the game isn't ruled by mythology, it's also ruled by what gaming/gamers need. Like, you couldn't just ban the wood element from players since there are no East starter cities. And we couldn't all be riding on only giant tortoises, white tigers, red birds and dragons. I'm also certain that the reindeer have nothing to do with their culture/mythology, deer yes, reindeer no. Including polar bears, panthers, DINOSAURS(raptor ride and Archosaur), Hell Hounds, giant flying swords, mantas, fish people, elves, blood thirsty monsters, gothic clothes, punk clothes, swimsuits, vampire clothes, the western(aka: American, English, French, Italian, German, etc) dresses
Now think about this. Do you think it's suitable if you had the power of a dragon but had a true form of a pig, what would you think? Now personify that is my main problem here. I'd be just as happy if they removed all the panda, wolf etc.. and just kept the lion with the customization options. Problem solved. But I know doing this would annoy a lot of players.
We are not taking out the white tiger and the fox we are simply adding to it, so actually this "Mythology" isn't going anywhere. Something else I'd like to say off topic about the Mythology is the sexiest behavior. Men were the dominate race yes, but i'm pretty sure woman were allowed to ride horses and I'm pretty sure men allowed woman to give them rides, so this whole "mythology" thing is all over the place I can write pages of flaws but i'm not going to bother just now unless you want me to.FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »So in the end yes, I am opposed to them spending time working on something that changes the mythology of the game in the name of needless graphical fluff.
Fair enough you don't like the idea, and I know you aren't the only one. But at the same time there are people who equally like the idea, like I said above there are two sides to everything implanted, some like it others don't for their own reasons. I probably won't get very far with the petition tbh, but it's something I feel barbs need. It's like if you felt something had to be added into a game, and so you try to fight for it would you want this:FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »I'd like the devs to make elves fly in supersonic transforming jetplanes.
Wanna make a petition for that too?
to be thrown at you? No. My point is, if you don't like the idea fine. Post your say and move on. I'm not taking down the petition and I'm not giving up on this either. I also don't want to argue about this, so please don't turn it into one.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I SIGN! You rock dudeb:victory0
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You have just signed a dead thread. b:shocked[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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necro.....[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Thankiez to Dorset for the sig!
MagicHamsta will remain in our hearts forever
P.S. I am a female venomancer ^^ I know it's rare, isn't it?0 -
DrazoThePsy - Dreamweaver wrote: »You have just signed a dead thread. b:shocked
Now that's funny.
Btw, some of the stuff that OP had quoted was wrong. But it's a necro, so I don't need to say what.
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