Please don't be a rude know it all...

Starflair - Dreamweaver · June 2010

Seriously, I'm grinding (on my cleric alt) minding my own business, and this archer comes up and says "Hey Zane, you know you're supposed to build with 4 mag 1 str right...no dex." And I'm like...not if I want light armor and he goes ""You're a cleric not a ranger, you're supposed to wear arcane"

Blah blah blah, mind your business and let people build the way they want to without being a butt hole about it.

By the way, light armor has been helping my cleric so far in his physical defense. It's not terribly much, but it gives an edge and more survivability.

KyyranthoX - Heavens Tear · June 2010

Did you really have to make a thread ******** about someone commenting on your build?

Lylfo - Dreamweaver · June 2010

Even though it is acceptable at lower levels, I would suggest that you use pwcalc.ru(which is down atm) and try a restat to full arcane at level 90+ with garnet shards. From whats on top of my head,

Pros of using LA :
cheap source of phy def which is what mostly kills you at lower levels, more crits = better solo grinding but doesnt influnce heal

Pros of using AA:
if sharded with mostly garnet, you can get decent def and awesome mag def, more magic attack = better heals, stats that go into dex(for LA) can go into vit instead for more hp

However not being a full mag does work sometimes, it depends on how much you can refine your weapon -> there is an LA cleric and a HA cleric in Dreamweaver in EQ.

tl;dr If it is working for you, good for you. But try to see from another build's perspective and know what works with your build and whats lacking.

Mendolin - Sanctuary · June 2010

KyyranthoX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Did you really have to make a thread ******** about someone commenting on your build?

+1

Cool Story Bro. b:bye

Starflair - Dreamweaver · June 2010

Mmm I had to take out my frustrations somehow.

I appreciate the advice, Lylfo. I may restat because I'm feeling more like I want to be a full support cleric. We'll see, I'm gonna keep farting around.

MagicHamsta - Lost City · June 2010

Just go HA to confoose people.

Fear the HA axe using wizard!
>_<'

The developers soooo meant for wizards to be HA with axes (Stone barrier for moar defense and frost blade for the axe damage.)
b:chuckle

RainbowVidel - Sanctuary · June 2010

Starflair - Dreamweaver wrote: »

"You're a cleric not a ranger, you're supposed to wear arcane"

He said that because, as a cleric, people will expect you to have a very high amount of mag. More mag = better healing. By wearing light armor, you're having to add even more points in both str and dex to wear it, leaving not much left over for mag. And that reduces both your own attack power and healing. My cleric wears arcane (with a lot of MP recovery) and has no problems with physical mobs. I cast Ironheart Blessing on myself, then attack normally. By the time Ironheart expires or moments before it does, the target is dead.

So technically, my cleric is full support, currently level 74. I only use two skills to attack with (Great Cyclone and Plume Shot) and can still heal others as expected of me. Never had any complaints yet.

Genlune - Harshlands · June 2010

I'm an LA cleric. I really liked it at lower lvls, but now I'm thinking I probably don't need the extra phys. def. with Plume Shell and all. Plus, I'd like to have a bigger mana pool and to be able to keep up with the best weapon available for my lvl. Being able to hit harder and heal better would be nice as well. So, I'll probably re-stat eventually. But for now, I don't mind my build.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · June 2010

Genlune - Harshlands wrote: »

I'm an LA cleric. I really liked it at lower lvls, but now I'm thinking I probably don't need the extra phys. def. with Plume Shell and all. Plus, I'd like to have a bigger mana pool and to be able to keep up with the best weapon available for my lvl. Being able to hit harder and heal better would be nice as well. So, I'll probably re-stat eventually. But for now, I don't mind my build.

plumeshell isnt 24/7 and things tend to hit u when u lease expect it.

Desire - Dreamweaver · June 2010

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

Just go HA to confoose people.

Fear the HA axe using wizard!
>_<'

The developers soooo meant for wizards to be HA with axes (Stone barrier for moar defense and frost blade for the axe damage.)
b:chuckle

b:chuckleb:chuckle Lmao.

Amorzka - Harshlands · June 2010

The very reason for the blacklist I think.

It's one thing if you ask for the opinion...

Finra - Sanctuary · June 2010

Starflair - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Mmm I had to take out my frustrations somehow.

I appreciate the advice, Lylfo. I may restat because I'm feeling more like I want to be a full support cleric. We'll see, I'm gonna keep farting around.

My very first cleric started off with Light Armor. I switched to arcane because i wanted to be a full support cleric so I restated my character. My bro however, always wore light armor all the way from 1 to 60 and according to him he barely dies comparing to all the arcane wearers. That of course falls into how people play and control their characters; but he would always be the last one standing to revive everyone.

I once talked to a higher level (around 70 something though prob not considered as a high level these days QQ) he wears arcane armor and I asked him if arcane was the way to groove. He said "of course, for both Battle Clerics and Full Support should wear arcane; Im even going to reset my stats and get that vit 6 to vit 3 - transferring every single point to mag."

So therefore depends on how you play; you CAN be a real awesome cleric in LA but also for arcane if you know what you're doing. No one should really boss around people how they should stat themselves -_- I'd ignore him and if he pursues on then give him a hiding lol

Missy_kathie - Sanctuary · July 2010

How sad.b:laughb:laughb:laugh

Bridigan - Sanctuary · July 2010

Do what works for you; character builds aren't exactly set in stone.

If people bother you too much, find some cheap fashion and wear that over your armor. Then nobody has any clue what your build is.

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear · July 2010

Bridigan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Do what works for you; character builds aren't exactly set in stone.

If people bother you too much, find some cheap fashion and wear that over your armor. Then nobody has any clue what your build is.

People can still view your equipment details you know ._.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver · July 2010

I say we all move to PvP servers! That way when someone says our build sucks we can show them just how wrong they are. b:sin

LifeHunting - Heavens Tear · July 2010

restat calling at 90+

All i have to say

BarbLord - Raging Tide · July 2010

its your choice you know as long as i dont have to try harder to stay alive with an LA cleric as healer id say go for it however i do get the feeling LA clerics use way more mp pots in bh
due to the fact they have less max mp, less mp regen and have to heal more often

so meh im more a fan of high mag clerics but its your choice

TsarBomba - Heavens Tear · July 2010

I completely agree with the OP. It's even worse when know-it-all doesn't know anything. I was accused of being a light armor cleric when I was clearly wearing arcane armor >.> Said know-it-all then proceeded to tell me to restat, and in a nasty way.

Bridigan - Sanctuary · July 2010

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

People can still view your equipment details you know ._.

But at least it's not obvious at a glance.

DaHealanator - Raging Tide · July 2010

an LA cleric is a waste of a cleric. if you stack yourself you should be fine against almost any non-boss thats your level.
and clerics are a support class, your personal survivability is not important since most of the time your fighting within a squad, and if your getting aggro in a squad, your either a crappy cleric or have crappy squadmates.
and if your grinding, the idea is not to tank the monster you're attacking, the idea is to kite it and never get touched.
LA is fail, period. It's fine to experamint, but you will be critized, and you do deserve it.

sorry to be the one pointing out the obvious

p.s- i know theres some exceptions (i think theres maybe 2 succesful LA and 1 HA cleric?), but those players are obviously not average, whether its because they're exspecially good gamers, or because they have maxed credit cards, but for the rest of us, LA clerics are useless.

Lylfo - Dreamweaver · July 2010

no LA is not fail. and those good LA and HA do no have maxed out credit cards, only some common sense

like they would use 2 piece LA and 2 piece AA(or 2 piece HA and 2 piece AA) to get a more balanced defense stat with the versatility that comes with it. They can change their gear at any time to full AA or full HA/LA depending on the situation.

but the most convincing point to go LA for me, at lower level is the cheap source of LA.
1.LA is the cheapest kind of mold in most servers
2. LA comes with quite a lot p def for lower level(which is kinda hard to keep up with garnet sharding at lower levels)
3. you do not need so much magic, an LA build might heal less but still be able to get hte job done if he knows how to heal properly.

DaHealanator - Raging Tide · July 2010

when i said they're successful LA or HA I said they have maxed credit cards OR they're an above average player.
theres a reason most clerics in they're later levels are AA or switch to AA. for lower levels LA and AA are debateable, but in late game AA is almost always the better way to go.

like i said, a clerics primary concern should not be their own survivability so much as the survivibility of the squad/tank. if you dnt get aggro from healing, and your tank knows anything at all, then you dont need any defense. infact, if i'm ever healing for a non-aoe boss, I would be willing to remove all of my armour, because its useless when I'm not in danger of getting aggro.

and one last thing- are YOU an LA cleric? and if not, why not? and if you say its because LA isnt your playstyle, please explain what playstyle LA is good for, because if LA is a good TW or PvP armour style, then I would be legitimitley interested in re-stating to LA

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · July 2010

dont get whole idea about LA on lower lvls

u dont refiine and u have crappy weapons, so u cant compansate ur crappy build

and then u have to waste crapload of coins/gold to restat

truekossy · July 2010

You guys talking **** about LA seem to all be pure PvE.

On a PvP server, LA during loer levels = greater survivability = the ability to actually take a hit or two from someone so you can fight back instead of being a squishy 1-sshot.

Plus, since LA in general tend to be cheap, you'll be able to save up a decent bit of coin for your gears later on when you restat to full arcane and start refining phys ornaments.

Also, even in PvE mistakes can happen and the extra survivability LA gives can be handy for if one of those times occur. Same idea as those clerics who add on extra vit early on and then restat later when they start doing major sharding/refining.

Lylfo - Dreamweaver · July 2010

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

dont get whole idea about LA on lower lvls

u dont refiine and u have crappy weapons, so u cant compansate ur crappy build

and then u have to waste crapload of coins/gold to restat

compensate for what? its not like those vit cleric cannot heal enough, i dont see the reason why LA clerics cannot heal for their level

and i dont think restating takes a **** load of money

agreed with what truekossy says

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · July 2010

pvp:

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=103a0b84be8f1d7b

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=3de7ee7abb7e4461

LA vs AA pdef 50% vs 30% (LA 67% more than AA)

LA vs AA HP 1110 vs 1930 ( AA 74% more than LA)

LA vs AA m.def 57% vs 67% (AA 17% more than LA)

so score is 2:1 for AA?

or

even if we assume that LA pdef = AA HP

then AA gain 17% m.def and also 74% HP to deal with magic damage.

truekossy · July 2010

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

pvp:

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=103a0b84be8f1d7b

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=3de7ee7abb7e4461

LA vs AA pdef 50% vs 30% (LA 67% more than AA)

LA vs AA HP 1110 vs 1930 ( AA 74% more than LA)

LA vs AA m.def 57% vs 67% (AA 17% more than LA)

so score is 2:1 for AA?

or

even if we assume that LA pdef = AA HP

then AA gain 17% m.def and also 74% HP to deal with magic damage.

Fail because you're forgetting something (not to mention LA's HP should be higher since they wear helms while arcanes have to use hats, etc).

The person who decided to stat for LA also has the stats to swap out parts, or even the full thing, for AA on a whim should he/she choose to while the one wearing Arcane is locked into it and has no way to change their defense to meet the situation.

You're right that if all you look at are numbers, going vit build at a low level will seem better but in practice? Well let's just say there's a reason people restat to arcane at 90 instead of sticking to robes from the start.

HexOmega - Dreamweaver · July 2010

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

Just go HA to confoose people.

Fear the HA axe using wizard!
>_<'

The developers soooo meant for wizards to be HA with axes (Stone barrier for moar defense and frost blade for the axe damage.)
b:chuckle

reality on dreamweaver

truekossy · July 2010

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

Just go HA to confoose people.

Fear the HA axe using wizard!
>_<'

The developers soooo meant for wizards to be HA with axes (Stone barrier for moar defense and frost blade for the axe damage.)
b:chuckle

*looks at Isala's HA wiz*

... Suddenly, everything makes sense...

Lylfo - Dreamweaver · July 2010

missing hat like what true said

also LA build has a little more crit too

and at lower levels there are fewer magic mobs, more physical mobs
and if the cleric choose to squad all the time, they would only have to worry about aoe which starts with farren(physical), wywern(physical) and only in fb 69, pole and nob have magic aoe but by then you can shard citrines

Please don't be a rude know it all...

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