For GM's mod's developers and others: is cleric a forgotens class in pvp???
Anack - Harshlands
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Hi there
First of all this is not a flames thread or anything like that is more of a request.
I have a 90+ cleric and i've been playing the class for quite some time now, its fun to play not much pve a cleric cant do alone, most important role in any squad: keep others alive, most important element in squad cause no dungeon or boss is done without one, even barbs can b replaced but u cant replace a cleric, now the reason why i feel this class is somewhat forgotten when it comes to do pvp unless u r an op player with great gear and good refines u will see that cleric is not much fit for pvp, in fact if we face other class in same lvl with equivelent gear(except mages/psy and archers 1st ones obvious reasons 2nd cause our plume shell takes is enought for most of them) we will most likely get kiled, althought pve is fun it comes a time where u get way to bored of just killing mobs and wanna start to have fun with other players but guess what u will most likely get killed, barbs have extremely high hp bm's have their sutras and theis stuns sins with their stealth even archer and mages get pretty hard to take down at high lvl's (100) but what about clerics? what do we have to give us some chances in pvp? some will say "oh u can heal" well i "say not if u r stuned" ih can b stacked but if others hit u for more than ur hp ih is not much use and if u stop spaming it u wil b dead meat in no time.
Now my request to the developers and "bosses" in pwi plz in next update try give something to cleric class to even the odds in pvp against other classes.
Cause u have to admit that to spend 100 lvls just ironharting, resing, boss whipe out the squad we r the ones who go to town loose exp come res the team, even sometimes heal the guy that just yesterday or a few mins ago pk u for fun, it gets pretty boring dont u agree?
As i stated before we r needed in pw so plz make us have a bit more fun.
I'd like to see a msg from a mod or gm in this thread, even just to show it was read, it would show to many ppl that coment on the new upgrades that u still hear players opinions
Thankx to all who read this, have a good game all
First of all this is not a flames thread or anything like that is more of a request.
I have a 90+ cleric and i've been playing the class for quite some time now, its fun to play not much pve a cleric cant do alone, most important role in any squad: keep others alive, most important element in squad cause no dungeon or boss is done without one, even barbs can b replaced but u cant replace a cleric, now the reason why i feel this class is somewhat forgotten when it comes to do pvp unless u r an op player with great gear and good refines u will see that cleric is not much fit for pvp, in fact if we face other class in same lvl with equivelent gear(except mages/psy and archers 1st ones obvious reasons 2nd cause our plume shell takes is enought for most of them) we will most likely get kiled, althought pve is fun it comes a time where u get way to bored of just killing mobs and wanna start to have fun with other players but guess what u will most likely get killed, barbs have extremely high hp bm's have their sutras and theis stuns sins with their stealth even archer and mages get pretty hard to take down at high lvl's (100) but what about clerics? what do we have to give us some chances in pvp? some will say "oh u can heal" well i "say not if u r stuned" ih can b stacked but if others hit u for more than ur hp ih is not much use and if u stop spaming it u wil b dead meat in no time.
Now my request to the developers and "bosses" in pwi plz in next update try give something to cleric class to even the odds in pvp against other classes.
Cause u have to admit that to spend 100 lvls just ironharting, resing, boss whipe out the squad we r the ones who go to town loose exp come res the team, even sometimes heal the guy that just yesterday or a few mins ago pk u for fun, it gets pretty boring dont u agree?
As i stated before we r needed in pw so plz make us have a bit more fun.
I'd like to see a msg from a mod or gm in this thread, even just to show it was read, it would show to many ppl that coment on the new upgrades that u still hear players opinions
Thankx to all who read this, have a good game all
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Learn to play a Cleric b:surrenderb:embarrassb:sweat
As level 95 with over 200 kills, you should know that Clerics are not all that gimped in PvP and even in PvE we are extremely strong....[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Rose i know pretty well how to play my cleric, i've done almost all dungeons in pw farmed my onw gear from (tt60 weap to tt90 equip and weap), done pk wars etc, now bellive me ot not is up to u. But u r a r8, congratz, and i'm sure pvp is not hard for u.
I'm here expressing my op not flaming anything or anyone.
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RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »Learn to play a Cleric b:surrenderb:embarrassb:sweat
As level 95 with over 200 kills, you should know that Clerics are not all that gimped in PvP and even in PvE we are extremely strong....
Rose how do you kill a sin who uses deaden nerves->stun locks->maze steps->forces stealth? can't sleep them. gotta kill them 2 twice for them to die. I can kill almost every pre-tideborn class but I'm still looking for a way to deal w/ tideborn. Help.
edit: just saying....clerics are more vulnerable now w/ sins out.and bro...fyi this isn't a story.
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PvP is not all that difficult on a cleric. We have heals. We have buffs. We have debuffs. We have sleep and freeze and even seal. We have heals.
We have heals!!!
What more can be said? *giggles*
A PvP cleric is very different from a PvE cleric. It's always good to be able to farm your own gear, but that PvE knowledge doesn't really help you against another player.
Archers? Well, they don't hurt as bad up close. They use a fist too? Just stand right out of their reach and keep them frozen, stunned, sealed, slept; whatever it takes. LA? Okay, they take more damage from physical attacks than magic. Unless you can reduce their magic defense.
Bms? Keep them at a distance and lay down the nukes. Notice their buff that raises their magical defense? That's your que to start use plume shot until they change back (depends on their build, sometimes, though). Then re-nuke with magic. Holy Path is your friend combined with Vacuity.
Barbs with high hp? It's amazing how much damage your buffs and damage absorbers will eat up. Wittle down their HP. Or just be a thorn in their side and just tick their charms until they leave you alone. b:laugh Can't remember how many poor barbs I tortured just dealing enough damage to tick a charm over and over.
However, I cannot say anything against an assassin. I haven't come across one I haven't seen or been able to kill before they got to me. Whether it was sheer luck (IE: low level?), or skill, I can only guess.
Yes, gears with refines are a plus. You're not really going to stand a chance against an archer with a +12 grade 15 bow at max distance in your +1 TT90 armor. Know who's around before you stumble blindly outside of the safe zone. Clerics were very much not forgotten.[In a distorted place and time][The knife that stabbed me in the back grants me wings]
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wouldnt mind 1-2 more attack skills tho
the lv100 offensive skill kinda made me happy a bit cause it broadened my options [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]lagunal8.deviantart.com
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Developers generally don't care from what i've seen. Its about the money. b:victory
Clerics used to OWN in pvp. idk anymore though. i quit for a year and all this nirvana gear blah blah comes out. I log in and I watch tons of noob clerics CS to get the gear +10 it and try to tank BMs and barbs like dumbasses.
No more skillz.
There are lots of skill combination's for clerics to use against each class in a pvp battle, 1v1 or 1v3. Kite melee players is all I can say.
It's on you to learn how to play ur class effectively. (This is generally speaking assuming whoever your fighting didn't throw 10grand into the game so they can be invincible.) Year's have gone by.
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Clerics are very well balanced actually... well atleast with original 6 classes. I don't really think the devs put much thought into balance on sins. And of the squishy classes, I think clerics are hurt the worst by sins.0
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clerics are awesome in pvp sins r only hard if u have crapy def...but they usually start with tele stun...wait about 1.5 secs into it since it only lasts 3 secs then use absolute domain this will make u immune to dmg and stat effects follow up with sleep/heal and a debuff now u can either use guardian light or plume shell since after u hit them they will wake up..get off a cyclone +plume shot this shud activate zombie skill n tick the charm...then silence them so they cnt run they will try to go invisible so this is when u occult ice or silence n finish..the only class that shud ever give u trouble endgame is A CHARMED BARB only cuz it wont die and i wud say wiz but u can totally gl all their skills sleep them heal n plume to death...everything else is merely a joke unless its refined above and beyond but then its no longer a real character0
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mistressmuerta wrote: »clerics are awesome in pvp sins r only hard if u have crapy def...but they usually start with tele stun...wait about 1.5 secs into it since it only lasts 3 secs then use absolute domain this will make u immune to dmg and stat effects follow up with sleep/heal and a debuff now u can either use guardian light or plume shell since after u hit them they will wake up..get off a cyclone +plume shot this shud activate zombie skill n tick the charm...then silence them so they cnt run they will try to go invisible so this is when u occult ice or silence n finish..the only class that shud ever give u trouble endgame is A CHARMED BARB only cuz it wont die and i wud say wiz but u can totally gl all their skills sleep them heal n plume to death...everything else is merely a joke unless its refined above and beyond but then its no longer a real character
There are two problems w. this.
1) How do you find enough energy for both absolute domain and occult ice while have enough str to actually make occult ice somewhat relizable.
2) sins i fight are smartening up and using maze steps before attacking. This prevents sleep.
update:
I tried knocking a sin out stealth near mobs. I was too dopped up to fight properly but sin got smart and ran away before I could AOE.
any more ideas out there?and bro...fyi this isn't a story.
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Clerics were the original assassin.
You know how you feel helpless once you see a sin pop up? Pre-Tideborn, that's how people felt once a good cleric showed up. Once a cleric sleeps you, you are in for one hell of a ride. That cleric has a hot minute to debuff you, take your chi (I was demon) activate channeling pots, spark, Extreme Poison, stack some heals with a plume shell on, do whatever they need to one-shot you.
When I was having a good old time on Dreamweaver, I can tell you I sure made the genie skill that makes you immune to metal damage very popular for a few BMs. It feels good when you see someone else learn and use a genie skill specifically for you.0 -
Magicgabe - Lost City wrote: »I tried knocking a sin out stealth near mobs. I was too dopped up to fight properly but sin got smart and ran away before I could AOE.
any more ideas out there?
Start casting a skill with longer channeling (WT is the best for this purpose) when you think the assassin will force sealth (it's not too hard to foresee), it will knock them out of stealth. Works fine, just needs perfect timing.0 -
Bagoly_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Start casting a skill with longer channeling (WT is the best for this purpose) when you think the assassin will force sealth (it's not too hard to foresee), it will knock them out of stealth. Works fine, just needs perfect timing.
I've tried this too. it hits the sin in stealth but doesn't knock them out of stealth.and bro...fyi this isn't a story.
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I have knocked a sin out of stealth with chr seal multiple times... damaging skills don't work? O.o ...I thought WT is even better cuz of the longer channeling. Or it was just luck and my seal landed before the Shadow Escape channeling was complete? Now I'm confused...Magicgabe - Lost City wrote: »I've tried this too. it hits the sin in stealth but doesn't knock them out of stealth.0 -
Anack - Harshlands wrote: »Hi there
First of all this is not a flames thread or anything like that is more of a request.
I have a 90+ cleric and i've been playing the class for quite some time now, its fun to play not much pve a cleric cant do alone, most important role in any squad: keep others alive, most important element in squad cause no dungeon or boss is done without one, even barbs can b replaced but u cant replace a cleric, now the reason why i feel this class is somewhat forgotten when it comes to do pvp unless u r an op player with great gear and good refines u will see that cleric is not much fit for pvp, in fact if we face other class in same lvl with equivelent gear(except mages/psy and archers 1st ones obvious reasons 2nd cause our plume shell takes is enought for most of them) we will most likely get kiled, althought pve is fun it comes a time where u get way to bored of just killing mobs and wanna start to have fun with other players but guess what u will most likely get killed, barbs have extremely high hp bm's have their sutras and theis stuns sins with their stealth even archer and mages get pretty hard to take down at high lvl's (100) but what about clerics? what do we have to give us some chances in pvp? some will say "oh u can heal" well i "say not if u r stuned" ih can b stacked but if others hit u for more than ur hp ih is not much use and if u stop spaming it u wil b dead meat in no time.
Now my request to the developers and "bosses" in pwi plz in next update try give something to cleric class to even the odds in pvp against other classes.
Cause u have to admit that to spend 100 lvls just ironharting, resing, boss whipe out the squad we r the ones who go to town loose exp come res the team, even sometimes heal the guy that just yesterday or a few mins ago pk u for fun, it gets pretty boring dont u agree?
As i stated before we r needed in pw so plz make us have a bit more fun.
I'd like to see a msg from a mod or gm in this thread, even just to show it was read, it would show to many ppl that coment on the new upgrades that u still hear players opinions
Thankx to all who read this, have a good game all
You can choose to have lag when it comes to healing those annoying players. :P
I don't think Clerics are forgotten in pvp.0 -
Bagoly_ - Sanctuary wrote: »I have knocked a sin out of stealth with chr seal multiple times... damaging skills don't work? O.o ...I thought WT is even better cuz of the longer channeling. Or it was just luck and my seal landed before the Shadow Escape channeling was complete? Now I'm confused...
Not sure if WT will knock them out of stealh, but I know that Ball of lightning keeps hittin them if they go invisible (at leas till last moth). If you're lucky enough to cast it on a weakened assassin you may get the kill or buy enough time to recover yourself or retreat cause he won't risk attack you while beign hurt.Xoria - Sanctuary wrote: »just be a thorn in their side and just tick their charms until they leave you alone. b:laugh Can't remember how many poor barbs I tortured just dealing enough damage to tick a charm over and over.
Lol this. Makes me remember the only time I went white named. Though the barb finally killed me, He kept raging at me cause I made his charm tick a lot b:sinSliding we go, only fear on our side. To the edge of the wire and we rush with the tide.
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Rofl I have watched clerics do a lot of damage. I may not pk yet, but I have seen how much a cleric can hit for. They are a force to not take lightly. Even when they developers first introduced the cleric in a video (Yes I am a nerd and actually watch those kinds of things). They even said that they are a support class, BUT they are not helpless.
You just need to have your own way of taking on the other classes. Be it ticking there charm a lot, squading with another/other pker(s), or knowing the weaknesses of the other classes. Like HA doesn't have much elemental resistance, given they don't have an elemental belt/necklace (Aka the super barbs/bms). Some venos don't know how to fight without their pets. The list goes on. ^^I reject your reality and substitute it with a muffin.0 -
Though we are endowed with heals and stuns, there is that lag time between these skills. take for example fighting HA barbs, our wind tech and lightning tech ( forgot the names) have slow cool-down times, meaning the opportunity for their charm to tick and our whole circle of attack to restart. so what if we ticked them alot of times, in the end we are on the floor.
aside from the pvp options, you also have to take into account the "joys" of healing. macro-macro-macro-macro-pot-macro-macro-macro-pot. we have to drink our mp away as our heals keep a usually roid raged barb (anyone know a non aggressive ego filled barb?). im just saying our techs are split between heal and slight attack, in-which most of our heals are used on everyone else. i wish for one more magic attack, to fill the gap between cyclone and lightning. that lightning ball is ****. (on a side note, lessening the cost of bb would help an incredible amount in fc, when everyone yells to hurry up.0 -
Whuts a cleric?
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MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »Whuts a cleric?
b:puzzled
a versatile class that punishes ppl with lightning .... >_> and violet/white magic arrows
did i typo versatile?Clerics are like cops...they always seem to be around.....until you actually need one b:surrender - DeadRaven
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EndlessDark - Harshlands wrote: »Though we are endowed with heals and stuns, there is that lag time between these skills. take for example fighting HA barbs, our wind tech and lightning tech ( forgot the names) have slow cool-down times, meaning the opportunity for their charm to tick and our whole circle of attack to restart. so what if we ticked them alot of times, in the end we are on the floor.
aside from the pvp options, you also have to take into account the "joys" of healing. macro-macro-macro-macro-pot-macro-macro-macro-pot. we have to drink our mp away as our heals keep a usually roid raged barb (anyone know a non aggressive ego filled barb?). im just saying our techs are split between heal and slight attack, in-which most of our heals are used on everyone else. i wish for one more magic attack, to fill the gap between cyclone and lightning. that lightning ball is ****. (on a side note, lessening the cost of bb would help an incredible amount in fc, when everyone yells to hurry up.
thunderball is not ****. It can be used to tick HP down to 50% while channeling tempest or triple sparke-->wieldthunder-->cyclone. However, I'd have to admit that I haven't done enough PvP to actually use this much in practice.
also, I've met a lot of non-aggressive/no-ego barbs.
Besides since when have we been big DD, we are dearly wanted for our healing skills. Why would we want to become like an assasin/psysic/archer/wizard. There are too many people with big guns out there. Why become another one?
I think the main problem w. clerics is actually assassins. I still cann't think of an effective and economical way to beat them.and bro...fyi this isn't a story.
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apparently, my cleric is pretty useless, a lv 24 could kill me in a few shots. I can't train proparly b:cry I fail so much that i get lost in ... forgot the name, haven't played for a long time. Anyway, the MASSIVE city. All i can do are a few weak shots, fly, heal and one buff. How am i meant to win with these? CLERICS ARE FORGOTTEN!!0
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It even takes me a week to lv up 1 lv.0
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NightRage - Raging Tide wrote: »It feels good when you see someone else learn and use a genie skill specifically for you.
Once upon a time, my baby veno's genie got heart of steel because of barbarians.0 -
Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »a versatile class that punishes ppl with lightning .... >_> and violet/white magic arrows
did i typo versatile?
o.O'
So that would make the class that heals and stuff....a veno?
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MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »o.O'
So that would make the class that heals and stuff....a veno?
b:puzzled
Thats right...
veno's are for healing and tanking
barbs are for going afk
clerics for damage dealing
wizards and archers are for dyingand bro...fyi this isn't a story.
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Magicgabe - Lost City wrote: »Thats right...
veno's are for healing and tanking
barbs are for going afk
clerics for damage dealing
wizards and archers are for dying
Yesh...yesh....
it all makes sense now.
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