Sins are over powered in PVP

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  • RoidAbuse - Sanctuary
    RoidAbuse - Sanctuary Posts: 1,066 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You people think too much about PVP when its too easy. Besides... I have yet to lose to an assassin in duel and I don't even like PVP, I done some consecutive wons. I simply auto attack them with physical marrow b:victory Yes, they get stunned by my sawtooth blades... Its special b:dirty . I even whoop LVL50+ assassins just fine.

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  • /Gohan - Dreamweaver6
    /Gohan - Dreamweaver6 Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    We're not as op as you think. We are just a little bit but we're no more overpowered than a nix is. We only seem overpowered to people who are light armor, arcane, or fail. That's how we were designed. Anything beyond that is just constant QQ blowing it all out of proportion.

    I don't speak for all sins, but in my experience, whenever I'm caught in midair I have to drop down to defend myself properly, and all my assassin friends say the same.
  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You people think too much about PVP when its too easy. Besides... I have yet to lose to an assassin in duel and I don't even like PVP, I done some consecutive wons. I simply auto attack them with physical marrow b:victory Yes, they get stunned by my sawtooth blades... Its special b:dirty . I even whoop LVL50+ assassins just fine.

    Your case is different, you are dueling sins who haven't even learned all their moves yet. Fight sins who are 90+, its a different story then....
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    /Gohan - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    We're not as op as you think. We are just a little bit but we're no more overpowered than a nix is. We only seem overpowered to people who are light armor, arcane, or fail. That's how we were designed. Anything beyond that is just constant QQ blowing it all out of proportion.

    I don't speak for all sins, but in my experience, whenever I'm caught in midair I have to drop down to defend myself properly, and all my assassin friends say the same.

    Uhm, nixes are OP, which is supposed to, just like refined gears above +5 and maybe knownase. I mainly just auto attacked them lol
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  • BlindClarity - Raging Tide
    BlindClarity - Raging Tide Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I don't think they are.b:chuckle
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You people think too much about PVP when its too easy. Besides... I have yet to lose to an assassin in duel and I don't even like PVP, I done some consecutive wons. I simply auto attack them with physical marrow b:victory Yes, they get stunned by my sawtooth blades... Its special b:dirty . I even whoop LVL50+ assassins just fine.
    Ok this ends the discussion. This level 44 who won a few duels against other 4x sins says they aren't overpowered.


    And yes, why bother about PvP, it's way to easy, after all, this guy won some duels at 4x, it's clearly very easy.
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  • HarukaDaiski - Raging Tide
    HarukaDaiski - Raging Tide Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Ok this ends the discussion. This level 44 who won a few duels against other 4x sins says they aren't overpowered.


    And yes, why bother about PvP, it's way to easy, after all, this guy won some duels at 4x, it's clearly very easy.

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  • ACLucius - Archosaur
    ACLucius - Archosaur Posts: 610 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I stun lock them with auto attacks... Maybe assassins are OP, maybe. But BMs are OP cause of stun lock. Infact, the fact that I beat 4x assassins and 5x ones. They can be overpowered, I voted no but not sure.

    Venoes are overpowered imho lol. I would get whooped by a smart one I think

    Level up more before you say they aren't OP. At <58, Assassins are missing two of their stun skills, double spark, and Inner Harmony. All they can do to you currently is freeze you, sleep you, and slow your attack rate for normal attacks. Sleep is the only one that can actually stop you from attacking them, and it only lasts 5 seconds. The only other way they can keep you from attacking them is to freeze you and run back to deal ranged damage. Now, once you go up against an Assassin who can keep you stunned for 6 seconds, then having you bleeding in sleep for 5 seconds, then have you immobile for 9 seconds, only to then stun you again for 3 more seconds, you will think differently. Once they can stun you for 5 seconds and then attack you with 5 APS, you will say they are OP.

    On topic: yes, they are OP. This new update with knocking us out of stealth with Demon spark should level it out quite a bit, but that remains to be seen.
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Uhm, nixes are OP, which is supposed to, just like refined gears above +5 and maybe knownase. I mainly just auto attacked them lol

    why haven't you uninstalled and gone away yet? can you do that soon? ty
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You people think too much about PVP when its too easy. Besides... I have yet to lose to an assassin in duel and I don't even like PVP, I done some consecutive wons. I simply auto attack them with physical marrow b:victory Yes, they get stunned by my sawtooth blades... Its special b:dirty . I even whoop LVL50+ assassins just fine.

    Cause duels and auto-attacking against people who don't even have all their main skills much-less the sage/demon versions is SUCH a great example of what real PvP here is like amirite?
  • Blackvoid - Sanctuary
    Blackvoid - Sanctuary Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    nah sins arent OP like other said its justa matter of finding a way around their skills if i remember right this exact same discussion was made when the nix came out it really is more of a QQ session because they cant find away around some skills more than a discussion of if they are OP or not i have a sin and the only reason it doesnt die often is cause i startd with a cleric so i know how to handle squishies.
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Kokki - Harshlands wrote: »
    Lol since i revamped my genie to stat expel sins got nothing on me lol. And they die in one shot with any of my skills unless they have daeden nerves on, and then they die in two lol

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    Where are you getting "assassins are not OP because they're 1-2 shot" from? are you fighting unrefined assassins with 2k hp or something? are people not going out with charms anymore? or are assassins not as well defended as other classes wearing light armor for some reason?

    I'm not necessarily saying assassins are OP, but i'm wondering where this argument comes from. Do you routinely 1-2 shot well geared archers too? 10x archers with 10k+ hp buffed, and you can 1-2 shot that amirite?

    Also, expel can now be blocked as a neutral buff
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Blackvoid - Sanctuary wrote: »
    nah sins arent OP like other said its justa matter of finding a way around their skills if i remember right this exact same discussion was made when the nix came out it really is more of a QQ session because they cant find away around some skills more than a discussion of if they are OP or not i have a sin and the only reason it doesnt die often is cause i startd with a cleric so i know how to handle squishies.

    I hope your talking about open pvp and not duels.. Sins are OP against all classes that arent heavy endgame. (IN PVP, not duels)
  • IAmNoodle - Lost City
    IAmNoodle - Lost City Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Sin are as just as much OP has Nix's

    a Sin has to get close to kill, they do not hit much harder then most AE's and fist BM's

    they have low hp most of them are 2 or 3 shot's by most EPS.

    Sins have the advnatage of you cant see them to your hit and stunned... but really atleast for me i do not see a EA till im hit, whats the difference?

    as a EP your going to die alot to SIN's AE's an BM's if you cant sleep, seal or w/e you have to do to get them off you. so ether you can run away or kill them.
  • Oneji - Heavens Tear
    Oneji - Heavens Tear Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Archers_Soul - Lost City wrote: »
    You sir are wrong. Just becouse some one gets rolled by an assassin doesn't mean their pvp skills are flawed. An invisable decently geared/lvl assassin can tear some one to shreds with no effort at all. Like I could just be chillin there drinking some koolaid ( because he's black!... Who said that!) And some assassin walks by willy nilly in invisable and hell sparks right next to me. The moment I notice what's happening right next to me I'm done.

    First of all black joke was not needed....Second I never said if you get killed by an assassin you PvP skills are flawed... I said if your are level 80 and get beat by a level 50 Assassin(this was a reply to a Veno btw) there is a problem...Of course you have to factor in gears and such but really the chances are really slim especially if you are a light armor veno.
  • axt57
    axt57 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Seems the 34% of people taking the poll are either fishes themselves or people who never fought a geared up fish.

    They are retardedly OP on many levels; there shouldn't even be a discussion about that. You need significantly more resources and skill to combat them than any other class.
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  • YordaUjain - Dreamweaver
    YordaUjain - Dreamweaver Posts: 242 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    ACLucius - Archosaur wrote: »
    Level up more before you say they aren't OP. At <58, Assassins are missing two of their stun skills, double spark, and Inner Harmony. All they can do to you currently is freeze you, sleep you, and slow your attack rate for normal attacks. Sleep is the only one that can actually stop you from attacking them, and it only lasts 5 seconds. The only other way they can keep you from attacking them is to freeze you and run back to deal ranged damage. Now, once you go up against an Assassin who can keep you stunned for 6 seconds, then having you bleeding in sleep for 5 seconds, then have you immobile for 9 seconds, only to then stun you again for 3 more seconds, you will think differently. Once they can stun you for 5 seconds and then attack you with 5 APS, you will say they are OP.

    On topic: yes, they are OP. This new update with knocking us out of stealth with Demon spark should level it out quite a bit, but that remains to be seen.


    yeah, I actually think it's pretty funny. I dueled a sin last night, I cast plume shell stright away and go to channel sleep, within a split sec he tele supto me uses stun and starts attacking, I survive..

    He then puts me to sleep and runs off (I've lost all my mp to plume shell :( ) I use a pot and now go to channel my spells but hefore I can he stuns me again and I die..
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    axt57 wrote: »
    They are retardedly OP on many levels; there shouldn't even be a discussion about that. You need significantly more resources and skill to combat them than any other class.

    The only real problem with people thinking they're overpowered stems from one main reason. Surprise. They surprise attack and their opponents are either not paying close enough attention, do not have quick enough reflexes or have too much lag to do anything about it.

    As a BM I find equally geared mages to be far more OP than sins. I just have far less reaction time if a sin decides to triple spark attack me. If I'm not paying close attention, I'm far more likely to die to a sin though.

    Keep AD or 6/12 second immunity pots on a hotkey. That's the only way you're going to break the initial stun and if you can accomplish that, sins die all too easily.

    They really are one-trick ponies and pretty much the definition of glass cannon. They can dish it out but they can't take it.

    Of course, AA and LA users, the exception being high pdef classes, will die to them quite easily. That's their role though, 1v1 PvP. They excel at it and they're supposed to. They usually get their one kill before they die. I personally wouldn't want to be that squishy or have to be that selective against opponents, but that's why I'm not a sin.
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    They really are one-trick ponies....

    Proof that they need to learn how to play their class.b:bye
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Proof that they need to learn how to play their class.b:bye

    Well, if they know their class... that's what they do. The pop out of nowhere, kill a squishy and vanish. Or run.

    There was one sin... pretty well geared, 10x. I died to them while not paying attention. I died really quick, nothing I could do. The next day at west I was sitting there, paying attention... he pops out, I kill him. He asks for 1v1 and I kill him 3 more times in a row. Being unprepared against a quick kill class is what will kill you.
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Well, if they know their class... that's what they do. The pop out of nowhere, kill a squishy and vanish. Or run.

    There was one sin... pretty well geared, 10x. I died to them while not paying attention. I died really quick, nothing I could do. The next day at west I was sitting there, paying attention... he pops out, I kill him. He asks for 1v1 and I kill him 3 more times in a row. Being unprepared against a quick kill class is what will kill you.

    Of course. What I mean is I have seen sins themselves say that if you need to stealth to kill anyone you are pretty bad at pvp.

    I have never fought one in pvp yet so I can't say much. I have a sin myself but shes only level 11 or something.b:chuckle
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