Sin + Jones Blessing = H4X ._. Ijs

You know what I just realized? That sin that had 5aps and 50 attack level can now get 5aps, 80 attack level. That's just disgusting.

Devoted - Lost City wrote: »

I just sit at west gate with myself targeted and my mouse over expel. You see one pop:

expel > run for 8 seconds and they either reentered stealth, died from a zerg or are about to be stunlocked.


just can't afk at west.. at least it makes me pay attention i guess.

b:chuckle
good plan?
xD
but yar them fishies just camp west and take out the squishies.
:<

Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »

with their attack level that high they spark and use head hunt to autotick me =_=

there is rumors about a warsoul dagger on dwp server so imagine:

30 chill of the deep(sage was 35 if i remember)
+30 jones belessing
+50 warsoul
+20 frenzy
=130(135)atklv

+tripple spark
+critdmgbuff
=b:dirty

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

Like Devoted said, get Expel.

Guess what happened in last week's update?

Seriously stop QQing about sins. Every class can get the jones blessing. Every class can get a warsoul weapon. Every class can use frenzy. It's not just sins who can get a bajillion attack levels. You think it's funny getting hit with a BIDS from a wiz with 100 attack levels? It's not.

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

if a sin couldn't stealth it'd be fine(ish)

So your 1st argument is that stealth is OP? Tell that to every other game where some sin/rogue class has stealth. I don't see them complaining. Ever notice that sins are the only squishy melee class? Every other class either has range or are tank enough to survive running up to someone. Sins need stealth to hit shxt without dying before reaching their target. Stealth is a skill like any other. All it ensures is they get the 1st hit and then you can do whatever from there (expel, absolute domain, skills etc). The same advantage any ranged class has vs melee. Not being able to triple spark in stealth is enough of a nerf that it's balanced now.

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

You cant compare a wiz to this. A melee user like a sin being able to take out bms/barbs in 3 seconds is ridiculous.

And why shouldn't I compare it to a wiz? You say a melee user like sin being able to take out bms/barbs in 3 seconds is ridiculous? That should be the caster's job right? So by the same logic, a robe class being able to 1 shot other robe classes isn't also ridiculous? And how about BMs who can also take out everyone in 3 seconds just the same?

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

Not to mention with your pathetic (other classes can use blessing) argument, they cant hit what they can't see, so they are useless in that aspect.

Your problem is that you judge balance on how other classes fight sins and not how they fight in general. Yes every class can use blessings and it's not a pathetic argument. It's the truth. They get the same attack bonus advantage fighting other classes as sins do. So the blessings don't just make sins more hax because it makes everyone equally more hax. Your quarrel is still with stealth and not being able to see sins and has nothing to do with the blessings.

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

+ You can aslo avoid getting hit with a BiDs since u can see it coming. (and lol at 100 atk lvl bids? There isnt 1 mage with warsoul weapon last time I checked.)

Just because no wiz has warsoul yet, doesn't mean they can't. It's not the sin's fault they haven't got it. ONE sin gets warsoul and suddenly it's "boohoo 50 attack levels + 30 + 30 + 20" acting as if these attack levels aren't obtainable on everyone.

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

Sins are just a class for those with no PvP skills and you know it.

In your opinion.

Astrohawke - Lost City wrote: »

So your 1st argument is that stealth is OP? Tell that to every other game where some sin/rogue class has stealth. I don't see them complaining. Ever notice that sins are the only squishy melee class? Every other class either has range or are tank enough to survive running up to someone. Sins need stealth to hit shxt without dying before reaching their target. Stealth is a skill like any other. All it ensures is they get the 1st hit and then you can do whatever from there (expel, absolute domain, skills etc). The same advantage any ranged class has vs melee. Not being able to triple spark in stealth is enough of a nerf that it's balanced now.

not saying stealth is OP, im saying stealth combined with Atk lvl up the ****/ + dps up there with fist bms is OP.



And why shouldn't I compare it to a wiz? You say a melee user like sin being able to take out bms/barbs in 3 seconds is ridiculous? That should be the caster's job right? So by the same logic, a robe class being able to 1 shot other robe classes isn't also ridiculous? And how about BMs who can also take out everyone in 3 seconds just the same?

but you see.. those bms and mages actually put some effort into the game by refining/ reaching 5.0 aps to be able to do as you said, while a sin has to do little refining to be able to kill people


Your problem is that you judge balance on how other classes fight sins and not how they fight in general. Yes every class can use blessings and it's not a pathetic argument. It's the truth. They get the same attack bonus advantage fighting other classes as sins do. So the blessings don't just make sins more hax because it makes everyone equally more hax. Your quarrel is still with stealth and not being able to see sins and has nothing to do with the blessings.

So your saying Sins should be left as is to be able to mop the floor of ANY class in less than 5 seconds then stealthing be4 they get attacked once? yea.. thats fair...

Just because no wiz has warsoul yet, doesn't mean they can't. It's not the sin's fault they haven't got it. ONE sin gets warsoul and suddenly it's "boohoo 50 attack levels + 30 + 30 + 20" acting as if these attack levels aren't obtainable on everyone.

I got nothing against that particular sin, he put forth the effort, Im talking about no-skill noobs who equip a blessing combined with stealth + their own Atk lvl buff + critical hit buff etc etc + double sparking in stealth

In your opinion.
ever wonder why everybody and their mother rolled a sin? Because they are practically unrivaled 1v1 against most classes except decently geared barbs or Hax geared other classes.... Seriously how hard is it to be in stealth with full chi..double spark (or stun first then 3spark) and mindlessly kill someone with little effort, and if for some reason the target isnt 2 shot and pulls an Expel or Domain you just re enter stealth and attack after the genie skill wears off and is in cooldown.

it doesnt require much brain to pull that off.

There is no defense as a cleric/mage/maybe an archer when a sin does that, except for those 2 genie skills, and most times it doesnt matter, as said the sin just stealths to try again during the cooldown.

RAGE QUIT!!!!!!

Ahhh the good ol days when RQ was around

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

but you see.. those bms and mages actually put some effort into the game by refining/ reaching 5.0 aps to be able to do as you said, while a sin has to do little refining to be able to kill people

Do you really believe that a sin with fail gear has an easy time of killing people? Maybe squishies but any class that PKs a squishy class by surprise will probably kill them. If a sin wants to kill a BM or Barb they need good gear unless the said BM/Barb is also in fail gear. You try popping CotD, double spark and then killing a barb at 0.5 aps lol. Best case scenario you can't kill them before you run out of stunlocks and they run away.

You're acting as if sins in **** gear have 5 aps and kill everyone in less than 5 seconds. For a sin to do that and have 5 aps, they would have spent more on their equips than a BM. Which brings me to BMs. Apart from not being able to stealth, they can pretty much do everything a sin does but better.

5 aps - check. Needs less -int gear to achieve too.
stuns - check. Has 3 instead of 2, 1 of which is aoe and all of which have shorter cooldowns.
100% movespeed + immunity to stun - check. Last 15 seconds not 10.
aoe amp - check. 100% amp instead of 30%.

Then let's discuss stealth. Stealth provides a certain advantage in PK, I agree. But sins are supposed to be good at PK. They're good at killing 1v1. There's no universal balance in all aspects of the game. Every class can't be equally good at everything.

Unlike with PK, stealth provides very little advantage for the sin in TW. Aoes flying everywhere aside, if you're going to pop up and kill someone and then re-stealth, you're killing at best 1 person every 90 seconds. Hardly a great asset to your faction compared to the wizards, psychics, venos and archers who are aoeing and killing lots of people quickly and continuously.

Rage Quit!.

lulz, everyone here is complaining about 5 aps sins.. zzzzzzz. imo 5 aps bm is more dangerous than a 5 aps sin.

just saying, ive pvped against both on my barb =/

sin with blessing vs sin without blessing, who wins?

the sin with higher stealth lv ofc

Lanyiara - Harshlands wrote: »

The stealth aspect of sins isnt a problem, its the way it works.

Seriously, absolute invisiblity when stood next to someone? No trees, Bushes, Pets, small rodents, cheese to hide behind?

It needs something to nerf it. Either the Shadow Escape needs to be made much less efficient, I.E it has 0 Stealth level (Lv 74 sins can be seen by 74 chars when this is used), or restealthing needs to be unreliable... Say anyone who saw you stealth, can still see you until you go out of range. Something. As it is, Stealth is just too perfect. IF you arnt a sin, you cant see a sin unless it is so lowbie, its absolutely no threat.

And yes, I play a cleric. I also play a nyxed veno (HunnyBunney) and a sin (Naivety). Ive played as both sides of this fight, and sins are just. too. damn. OP.

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Coincidentally, the complete lack of a damage readout when a sin attacks from stealth is starting to annoy me. When you get oneshot, you cant have any idea of whether it was a crit or anything, to judge on whether to go back and try and fight again. That needs fixing too.

Anyway, thats my argument... I love being a sin, but I still think they/we are too op. Crits - fine, High damage - ok, Physical evasion - awesome, Magical evasion? - Dont get me started on Focused Mind.

Il post more when someone tells me im wrong in a few minutes / hours.

i agree with that, also i like the idea of the post above that, there should be a % failure chance of shadow teleport even if just 10%, steath isnt magical its an ability learned though practice