Pulling with Herc?

Dear - Raging Tide
Dear - Raging Tide Posts: 39 Arc User
edited June 2010 in Venomancer
So, I recently got a Herc for my new Veno and just started doing BHs... I soloed BH29 and practiced pulling a lot and I noticed I better not use the Herc bramble buff or it will pull everything. However, I am now in BH39 and people wanted me to cast the bramble skill before pulling... I told them what happened in BH29, they called me fail and kicked me out of squad... O.o So, I'm here to ask - do I need bramble buff for pulling? Or should I just use a fast runner pet for pulling so I don't have to argue with people about Herc buffs?
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  • Chaosnut - Dreamweaver
    Chaosnut - Dreamweaver Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    You can pull with a Herc just remember not to turn reflect on. You can turn on the hercs defense buffs though to help it survive hits better. The herc is not the fastest pet in game for pulling. But with its high health and defense with buffs on. It can take more hits than any other pet for pulling can.
  • Desiree - Harshlands
    Desiree - Harshlands Posts: 635 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    NEVER put bramble on a pet you're using to lure.

    Luring works like this: You send in a pet, it goes into the crowd of mobs, all the mobs do damage to the luring pet, your luring pet survives and does damage to ONE mob, you unsummon your pet. Because only ONE mob has damage done to it by you, it will aggro you (since your pet is gone) and run toward you. Since none of the OTHER mobs had any damage taken to you, they don't see the pet anymore and thus will reset to where they originally stood. If you have bramble on, however, all those other mobs (if they use physical attacks) will also come running after you since damage was dealt to them by you.

    Personally I use a snow hare for luring because its cute, fast, and I don't care much about its loyalty. I also don't have to reheal or possibly have to revive my tank pet afterwards, which is very important if I'm soloing things.
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  • SerenityMare - Dreamweaver
    SerenityMare - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,211 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Desiree - Harshlands wrote: »
    NEVER put bramble on a pet you're using to lure.

    Luring works like this: You send in a pet, it goes into the crowd of mobs, all the mobs do damage to the luring pet, your luring pet survives and does damage to ONE mob, you unsummon your pet. Because only ONE mob has damage done to it by you, it will aggro you (since your pet is gone) and run toward you. Since none of the OTHER mobs had any damage taken to you, they don't see the pet anymore and thus will reset to where they originally stood. If you have bramble on, however, all those other mobs (if they use physical attacks) will also come running after you since damage was dealt to them by you.

    Personally I use a snow hare for luring because its cute, fast, and I don't care much about its loyalty. I also don't have to reheal or possibly have to revive my tank pet afterwards, which is very important if I'm soloing things.

    YES!!! =D I knew having a snow hare would come in handy!


    However..

    I have a question, if you are the one tanking with the Herc, does it matter really which one you choose to lure with?
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  • RawDawg - Heavens Tear
    RawDawg - Heavens Tear Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Lol. Whoever kicked you from squad for not brambling herc before pulling is a noob-and-a-half. They did you a favor.
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Yeah, that's kinda bass ackwards of them. Certainly if your herc is tanking then you should be brambling AFTER the lure. But during the lure? Well... in 39 you can get away with it in some places. Magic using mobs won't get reflected, so in a few rooms in there you CAN lure with a brambled herc. But why would you want the added risk for no added gain?

    But generally you'd pull out a secondary pet for the luring, anyway.


    Now - one possibility - if the squad was some huge level above you - then what they probably wanted was a huge fat pile of mobs all in one go. That's not really 'luring', though some people still call it that. (I've been using the term 'dragging' but it hasn't caught on) And if that IS what they want, then a herc with reflect (and use 'follow me' on manual, instead of unsummoning it) is a pretty good way to fetch them.
  • Desiree - Harshlands
    Desiree - Harshlands Posts: 635 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    SerenityMare - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I have a question, if you are the one tanking with the Herc, does it matter really which one you choose to lure with?

    Yes. Cause Snow Hare > All.
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  • anwynd
    anwynd Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    cant you use tame beast for luring if you dont wnt to go thru all tht **** thts what ive been mostly doing on my newb venob:chuckle

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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Tame beast (and earthflame) luring does indeed work.

    It's less flexible (and for tame, slower and mana intensive) than pet luring, but if you're feeling lazy it works fine.
  • Dear - Raging Tide
    Dear - Raging Tide Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Good to know I was right. Thanks everyone. b:chuckle I'll get a faster pet for pulling and use it when I'm in a lame squad, lol. I really hate arguing with people.
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  • anwynd
    anwynd Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    it doesnt take much mana if you only have lvl 1 of it lolb:laughb:victory
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  • DarkPkVeno - Lost City
    DarkPkVeno - Lost City Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    do you only have a lvl 1 herc? O.O
  • anwynd
    anwynd Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    i was talking about our skill tame beast not a herc ,herc doesnt take mana lol
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  • XxXvixonXxX - Heavens Tear
    XxXvixonXxX - Heavens Tear Posts: 132 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    luring with reflect on herc is fail LOL and suicidal that squad needed to get there heads read b:chuckle
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    XxXvixonXxX - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    luring with reflect on herc is fail LOL and suicidal that squad needed to get there heads read b:chuckle

    You're level 101 and haven't seen it done intentionally without fail?
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    You're level 101 and haven't seen it done intentionally without fail?

    When I ran TT solo, I'd often put bramble on my herc then pull. I wanted to pull the whole room because its a herc, and he can deal with it. That way archer monsters won't shoot me and kill me when I'm busy trying to resummon him from a normal pull.

    I have him go after the ranged monsters first, that way I don't get heal agro when the whole room goes after me. I keep having him change targets while everything attacks him at once, and it normally goes smoothly.
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  • XxXvixonXxX - Heavens Tear
    XxXvixonXxX - Heavens Tear Posts: 132 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    You're level 101 and haven't seen it done intentionally without fail?

    everytime i seen it done squads been wiped things can be done just as good when not rushed through and his me playing as a secondary veno other veno luring
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  • Feruta - Heavens Tear
    Feruta - Heavens Tear Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    At OP.

    I'm going to take a stab in the dark here and assume that they didn't want you to buff your herc with reflect before luring, but instead wanted to you to buff the tank with bramble guard, before he had to catch the boss you were luring. Then when you started arguing a completely different topic they kicked you and used an earthflame lure instead. b:victory
  • sikozu
    sikozu Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    So how useful is the snow hare bunny?
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  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    sikozu wrote: »
    So how useful is the snow hare bunny?

    It's cute and um, it's cute. Lots of more useful pets.
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    It's a very VERY fast pet, which makes it a great lurer. And very low levelled, too - you can use it way before the eldergolth or kowlin.

    As a damage pet or tank, not so good.
  • AngelOfLies - Heavens Tear
    AngelOfLies - Heavens Tear Posts: 217 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Dear - Raging Tide wrote: »
    So, I recently got a Herc for my new Veno and just started doing BHs... I soloed BH29 and practiced pulling a lot and I noticed I better not use the Herc bramble buff or it will pull everything. However, I am now in BH39 and people wanted me to cast the bramble skill before pulling... I told them what happened in BH29, they called me fail and kicked me out of squad... O.o So, I'm here to ask - do I need bramble buff for pulling? Or should I just use a fast runner pet for pulling so I don't have to argue with people about Herc buffs?

    i agree with every1 here, who ever told u to put bramble on when luring was a noob. and indeed if it was a high lvl say barb/bm they might have wanted a huge mass. but its safer just to put on strong protect when luring. or just use zeal, tame pet (which i use quite often, i used to solo bh29 for a friend and i used it for trick mobs i wanted to take one vs one. ) or just resummon a different pet to lure that works too, get a kowling at 60 with herc money for 1 isnt hard
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