TW tips

Anubisdrak - Sanctuary · June 2010

I just spent a bit of a massive sum of cash to finish leveling my Blade Tempest and Black Ice Dragon Strike, both are level 10, I decided to max them both for TW, since i can always sutra and use an ult. What im wondering, is which would be more effective? since im only 94 ive nothing to wonder about getting the skill books for either. I tested BIDS out last night over and over on a lvl 70 barb in tiger form, he had a good bit of water reduction, even though i was unbuffed i couldnt completely kill him in 1 shot, id either forget to use something or something was still in cooldown :P he'd survive by just barely 200 hp, yeah a gush could just finish him and i could look the other way and try to act as if i didnt notice him, but not my point. In an actual TW, which would be tip top MOST effective? I've always liked both, yet found more use for BT, considering we have those fish now, I would think a good BT could take out a good number of people. Psychics are most likely robed, theres that magic damage for a passing assassin, clerics, wizards and anyone else caught by it would take some massive damage, or fall over, QQ and go back to base.

Still about TW, which would be more effective?
undine with a sandstorm and a gush, i notice how hard this hits and the accuracy loss is great on anyone that completely needs to use it.
But, in demon/sage terms, sandstorm is kinda hard to find on sanctuary, I dont believe i've ever seen the book, so keeping that in mind:

I did manage to get Demon Divine Pyrogram which has that lowered channel time, and a bit of an amp to damage. I just thought about it now, but now that its lowered, doesnt Divine Pyrogram have the same channel time as sandstorm now? and with a little less cast time? I could be wrong, as Im still waiting for my download to finish for today :P
So would the demon version out damage the regular maxed out version?

So yeah, ideas discussed with these would help alot. I'd appreciate some feedback

Kokki - Harshlands · June 2010

Here is the thing with BT and bids ( also note i'm a sage wizard )

It all depends on the players you are facing, in TW with decent geared people you will face alot of people with very good Pdef you will be better off using bids ( AOE crashes) and gush/pyro ( demon D. Pyro ) for DPS

It also depends on what type of wizard you are. As a demon you will most likely be on attack squad instead of defense squads. So what you will face is mostly sage wizards and clerics. And both are best killed with BT instead of bids.

If you end up on defence squads you are assigned to kill cata barbs ( and just in case you know, you won't prolly ever one shot a cata barb unless you are facing a weak faction ). and cata barbs are usualy backed up by BM's and archers and in this case using bids is your best shot coupled with will of the phoenix and hailstorm for aoe damage

I use whatever skill is not in cooldown. Most of my targets get killed before i launch two skills. Sandstorm's decrease accuracy seems great, but in all honesty it really doesn't matter. Wizards worst enemy are archers, and even with "only" like 2 K accuracy after SS debuff they won't miss you anyway.

i hope you find something usefull in my info
Also i have a specific TW genie to amp my damage to the max on cata barbs. I have cloud eruption ( lots of chi ), Extreme poison, and Frenzy and holy path. This allows me to get up to 40% more damage with a bids.

Shadowvzs - Lost City · June 2010

Anubisdrak - Sanctuary wrote: »

I just spent a bit of a massive sum of cash to finish leveling my Blade Tempest and Black Ice Dragon Strike, both are level 10, I decided to max them both for TW, since i can always sutra and use an ult. What im wondering, is which would be more effective? since im only 94 ive nothing to wonder about getting the skill books for either. I tested BIDS out last night over and over on a lvl 70 barb in tiger form, he had a good bit of water reduction, even though i was unbuffed i couldnt completely kill him in 1 shot, id either forget to use something or something was still in cooldown :P he'd survive by just barely 200 hp, yeah a gush could just finish him and i could look the other way and try to act as if i didnt notice him, but not my point. In an actual TW, which would be tip top MOST effective? I've always liked both, yet found more use for BT, considering we have those fish now, I would think a good BT could take out a good number of people. Psychics are most likely robed, theres that magic damage for a passing assassin, clerics, wizards and anyone else caught by it would take some massive damage, or fall over, QQ and go back to base.

Still about TW, which would be more effective?
undine with a sandstorm and a gush, i notice how hard this hits and the accuracy loss is great on anyone that completely needs to use it.
But, in demon/sage terms, sandstorm is kinda hard to find on sanctuary, I dont believe i've ever seen the book, so keeping that in mind:

I did manage to get Demon Divine Pyrogram which has that lowered channel time, and a bit of an amp to damage. I just thought about it now, but now that its lowered, doesnt Divine Pyrogram have the same channel time as sandstorm now? and with a little less cast time? I could be wrong, as Im still waiting for my download to finish for today :P
So would the demon version out damage the regular maxed out version?

So yeah, ideas discussed with these would help alot. I'd appreciate some feedback

a notice about accurancy thing.

if target have +accurancy gear (like weapon or ring) that accurancy bonus dont will be decreased so maybe u get 2k acc from dex and another 2k with rings then after sandstorm its ~3k.

about bids, with lv11 too u need crit for 1hit a -10lv barb if u dont got really good refined weapon (and ofc frenzy+amplify after udine)

i use too:
Extreme poison, and Frenzy

and a notice, on if bm got lv11 mdef sutra then BT with spark really effective.

whatever i tryed on unbuffed barb in human form and i made more dmg with 3rd fury+udine+spark+e.poison+bt than 3rd fury+udine+frenzy+e.posion+bids but nearly in any other case its similiar dmg or bids better on barb.

Shevanel - Sanctuary · June 2010

For TW, really consider MS. Bids is prefered due to sages' crit chance.. But MS is a great chance to Stun, and will hit very similar damage.

The stun is a lot more effective and important with stopping catabarbs than tryiing to "lol1shot" them (Unless you're heavily cash shopped) as it gives your squad a greater chance at taking down the barb. If the cleric is in range, then the cleric can't heal barb. Barb is fcked.

Ursa - Dreamweaver · June 2010

^this.

BIDS is for lols most of the time, or when 1 guild is either defending all at one gate or rushing all through 1 gate. Drop a BIDS there and yeah, watch 75% of them die.

The best combo I found was MS+BIDS (spark from genie). Keep them in 1 place then hit them where it hurts. In TW, if I had 2 sparks I usually MS 2-3 targets. Cause after that a WoTP and Hailstorm will hurt really bad. And if there is anyone around with a AoE skill ready, that group is pretty much doomed.

Anubisdrak - Sanctuary · June 2010

So then Sandstorm is a good nuke, but since i've gone demon and gotten demon DP, it would be better to stick with DP.

I've honestly found no use for MS. At all. I've gotten 1 lvl of it and ignored it, still continue to ignore it. I use it less than I use Emberstorm to be honest. Im not sage. Im not looking to drool over a possible 1 spark skill that I don't care for to even get lvl 2 of.

I guess maxing BIDS was a waste and I shouldve saved up for something more important.

I have given my genie multiple self buff skills, cloud eruption, frenzy, extreme poison, holy path.

As for something new, does anyone find any use for elemental shell? I find it incredibly useful. Throw it on a barb and gush them and you'll be lucky to do 400 damage. Its not great and flashy like sparks are, its instant cast, gives 15 chi, 200mp, it only lasts 4 seconds but itd save either you or someone else against another wiz/cleric/psy if timed right.

Haiz - Lost City · June 2010

BT is your best skill in TW. The classes that BID is effective against are all high HP classes so the chances of killing are much less. BT is aimed more towards lower HP classes and is effective against every class except barbs. Also if you are a lower level and weaker than most people you are TWing with, MS would be more effective than BID. Stunning everyone for six seconds is much more useful than a little charm tick from BID.

Adroit - Lost City · June 2010

Haiz - Lost City wrote: »

BT is your best skill in TW. The classes that BID is effective against are all high HP classes so the chances of killing are much less. BT is aimed more towards lower HP classes and is effective against every class except barbs. Also if you are a lower level and weaker than most people you are TWing with, MS would be more effective than BID. Stunning everyone for six seconds is much more useful than a little charm tick from BID.

I'm kinda surprised you'd say that. In my experience, most classes have at least as much pdef as mdef (usually more pdef), and even if you could hit for a little more non crit with BT (which I haven't usually found to be the case).. the chance to crit on BIDS is far more useful imo.

Anubisdrak - Sanctuary · June 2010

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

I'm kinda surprised you'd say that. In my experience, most classes have at least as much pdef as mdef (usually more pdef), and even if you could hit for a little more non crit with BT (which I haven't usually found to be the case).. the chance to crit on BIDS is far more useful imo.

I kinda agree with Haiz on this one, yeah if BIDS crits it'll do massive damage to anything in its path. But 1.im not sage, I do not look towards getting sage bids, 2. Im a pure build wizard, im currently working on getting lunar rings, my eyes have always been set on that Neon Purgatory as well, with both altogether id have a minimum of 10% crit chance I think, mines only 2%, Ive heard an arrow with crit chance on it put in your gear slot it raises your crit chance (im not completely sure if it works or not but I keep one there just for the sake of it). I still find BT more versatile because of how it does magical AND physical damage, the physical will take robes out, if it hits on LA, they either die or get close to dying. HA would definitely tick their charm and leave you with fewer people to deal with while you take out the HA people. If by some horrible means you get stuck with one of those "attack clerics" id be more worried about getting hit by plume shot than an archer, unless that archer is robed and chances are 100 out of 100 that they arent. BIDS would take out the archer more than easily, but the cleric most likely not unless you crit.

Adroit - Lost City · June 2010

Anubisdrak - Sanctuary wrote: »

I kinda agree with Haiz on this one, yeah if BIDS crits it'll do massive damage to anything in its path. But 1.im not sage, I do not look towards getting sage bids, 2. Im a pure build wizard, im currently working on getting lunar rings, my eyes have always been set on that Neon Purgatory as well, with both altogether id have a minimum of 10% crit chance I think, mines only 2%, Ive heard an arrow with crit chance on it put in your gear slot it raises your crit chance (im not completely sure if it works or not but I keep one there just for the sake of it). I still find BT more versatile because of how it does magical AND physical damage, the physical will take robes out, if it hits on LA, they either die or get close to dying. HA would definitely tick their charm and leave you with fewer people to deal with while you take out the HA people. If by some horrible means you get stuck with one of those "attack clerics" id be more worried about getting hit by plume shot than an archer, unless that archer is robed and chances are 100 out of 100 that they arent. BIDS would take out the archer more than easily, but the cleric most likely not unless you crit.

both me and Haiz are sage, so thats kinda what I'm talking about. Crit arrow doesn't work. Maybe BT takes robes out for Haiz (+10 8jun) but it doesn't even get remotely close for me (inferno +10), event geared robes rarely even take 4k damage.. sometimes closer to 3k (of course in a TW environment where nearly everyone has buffs). LA is squishy to everything, but it seems that most have pdef ornaments so the other ults would do more damage. BT NEVER ticks HA for me (even with crits), and attack clerics aren't really scary unless they seriously out gear me.

Haiz - Lost City · June 2010

I only said BT because the guy is demon. In TW for myself I use BID 75% of the time. 20% of the time I will use MS to stun the catapults, and then the last 5% I only really use BT on Ehee.

If you are a 99+ sage and have BID by all means use it, but for anything else I'd recommend BT.

Adroit - Lost City · June 2010

Haiz - Lost City wrote: »

I only said BT because the guy is demon. In TW for myself I use BID 75% of the time. 20% of the time I will use MS to stun the catapults, and then the last 5% I only really use BT on Ehee.

If you are a 99+ sage and have BID by all means use it, but for anything else I'd recommend BT.

ohhhhhhhh that makes sense. I'm pretty sure Ehee with +10 g15 cube and +10 warsong has more pdef than mdef xD

Anubisdrak - Sanctuary · June 2010

Haiz - Lost City wrote: »

I only said BT because the guy is demon. In TW for myself I use BID 75% of the time. 20% of the time I will use MS to stun the catapults, and then the last 5% I only really use BT on Ehee.

If you are a 99+ sage and have BID by all means use it, but for anything else I'd recommend BT.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^And theres my answer!

But yeah, I just got Elemental Shell. If anyone else has it, could you describe what uses it has in TW? I dont think many other wizards have it, they pretty much skip it from what i've heard. I got it a week or so ago and I enjoy it alot, probably because its our only other buff that isnt a self buff :P So if anyone here has used it in TW before, would you mind giving me some tips on it or anything? I'd probably spam it on myself and others to gain extra chi and protection for a few seconds, but thats just me,

Adroit - Lost City · June 2010

Anubisdrak - Sanctuary wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^And theres my answer!

But yeah, I just got Elemental Shell. If anyone else has it, could you describe what uses it has in TW? I dont think many other wizards have it, they pretty much skip it from what i've heard. I got it a week or so ago and I enjoy it alot, probably because its our only other buff that isnt a self buff :P So if anyone here has used it in TW before, would you mind giving me some tips on it or anything? I'd probably spam it on myself and others to gain extra chi and protection for a few seconds, but thats just me,

Alot of wizards have it actually, I just spam it on cooldown for the extra chi.. although if there is some wiz/cleric or I suppose psychic harassing me, I'd save it for when they are attacking me. I find it pretty useful protecting myself, but I really haven't found a time I could use it on a party member (at least for PvP).

Sheswes - Heavens Tear · June 2010

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

ohhhhhhhh that makes sense. I'm pretty sure Ehee with +10 g15 cube and +10 warsong has more pdef than mdef xD

10/10 b:laugh

Haiz - Lost City · June 2010

I know he does, have a screen shot somewhere of him having 23k pdef because someone used an eye of obs on him. It doesn't stop me from hitting him 7k with it though. I think its more or less a competition really, hes always using BT on me so I just use it back on him whenever I see him.b:angry

Adroit - Lost City · June 2010

Haiz - Lost City wrote: »

I know he does, have a screen shot somewhere of him having 23k pdef because someone used an eye of obs on him. It doesn't stop me from hitting him 7k with it though. I think its more or less a competition really, hes always using BT on me so I just use it back on him whenever I see him.b:angry

lmao. Who usually wins?

Exitium - Dreamweaver · June 2010

If you see your favorite squad member fighting 1 vs 1 with a mean wizzy in TW and you see the wiz channel a nuke I guess you can save them with elemental shell b:surrender you could also stop watching and interrupt the wizzy >.>

Jiblet - Sanctuary · June 2010

I don't think I've ever used shell in TW - mainly because TW is a lag-fest for me...if you could get your timing spot on it would be useful I suppose but meh...

PrettySammy - Sanctuary · June 2010

Yup you got a point there Jiblet the lag is a pain in the rear. I do sometimes lob it onto allied cata barbs if I see them under attack, if only to annoy the daylights out of enemy casters.

As far as nukes go I gotta agree that BIDS and MS are usually preferred, I only use BIDS on robes, I guess demon emberstorm would also be pretty useful for you to get anubis due to the 50% stun chance (well once you master rapid fire bursts).

I love sage BIDS but it does annoy me that the animation for it is so flashy, its like saying to all archers, "Hey! i'm a sitting duck here. Please blow my head off!". If you want to see good combo's for TW wizard i`d suggest going to Haiz's youtube channel. I learnt alot from watching them.

Have a great day PWI

Shadowvzs - Lost City · June 2010

PrettySammy - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yup you got a point there Jiblet the lag is a pain in the rear. I do sometimes lob it onto allied cata barbs if I see them under attack, if only to annoy the daylights out of enemy casters.

As far as nukes go I gotta agree that BIDS and MS are usually preferred, I only use BIDS on robes, I guess demon emberstorm would also be pretty useful for you to get anubis due to the 50% stun chance (well once you master rapid fire bursts).

I love sage BIDS but it does annoy me that the animation for it is so flashy, its like saying to all archers, "Hey! i'm a sitting duck here. Please blow my head off!". If you want to see good combo's for TW wizard i`d suggest going to Haiz's youtube channel. I learnt alot from watching them.

Have a great day PWI

i just cant unedrstand why alot bm dont use mdef sutra in tw and in group pk when have there few wizz in enemy side.

(in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxgVVv1qEm0&NR=1 rank8 was refined or really just equiped after bought from npc XD)

Jiblet - Sanctuary · June 2010

Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »

i just cant unedrstand why alot bm dont use mdef sutra in tw and in group pk when have there few wizz in enemy side.

Some BM's do use this tactic, but they are ones that have a build based around massive pdef. In TW a BM that mdef sutras in the main fight is going to get smushed by archer barrage, geddon, HF, and any other phys aoe, as well as nuked by wizzies. unlike a lot of people I do use BT quite a lot in TW, but that's more because I have BT throwing contests with the enemy wizzies more than as a sensible strategyb:laugh

Shadowvzs - Lost City · June 2010

Jiblet - Sanctuary wrote: »

Some BM's do use this tactic, but they are ones that have a build based around massive pdef. In TW a BM that mdef sutras in the main fight is going to get smushed by archer barrage, geddon, HF, and any other phys aoe, as well as nuked by wizzies. unlike a lot of people I do use BT quite a lot in TW, but that's more because I have BT throwing contests with the enemy wizzies more than as a sensible strategyb:laugh

y but when a bm run after a wizz there enough big mistake with mdef sutra.

barriage still not that huge danger than a wizz (i talk about when he stun a wizz then obviously he will the wizz target)

Haiz - Lost City · June 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF8yv11AWM4

Weeee, I made a new one.

Adroit - Lost City · June 2010

Haiz - Lost City wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF8yv11AWM4

Weeee, I made a new one.

I lol'd at the BT contest w/ Ehee

Deviations - Sanctuary · June 2010

Wasn't this the person who wanted to be a pyromage and claiming fire spells hit harder than earth spells at mid 60s? IJS.

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