Sin has been Nurfed

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Durdey - Harshlands wrote: »

Oh, and save the flame war of "you cant do anything without that demonspark in stealth cuz u fail" BS.

ive ***** plenty of people on this server without using stealth itself.

But i cant keep up with the cash shoppers the way this game keeps making the all-powerful creditcard more OP than a free built anything.
having the demonspark in stealth only made it worth while to hear those silly little clowns that use mommy's creditcard, cry endlessly about how a sin is OP.

well, i guess they spent enough money to change the minds of the programmers to have them change it.

im sure there's going to be a sin out there that finds a great way to use demonspark to his advantage, then another fresh QQ will come up!

^^^ join date: mar 2010, level 9x .... talk about creditcard b:bye

Before any Idiot could 3Spark from stealth and kill any1, now people will have to be creative and learn how to play assassins.

I'm happy with the changes b:victory

Durdey - Harshlands wrote: »

Loss of Demon Spark in Stealth-Mode is dramatic.

We all knew it was coming. I'm just sorry I didn't get a chance to try triple sparking while stealthed QQ.

And it's not like you're completely invincible while triple spark is going off or anything, popping up right next to someone with 500% physical attack and a 25% attack rate increase isn't anything amazing...

Durdey - Harshlands wrote: »

Hypers have a limitation on it.

10 times a day. They also no longer have an activation penalty. I like the change.

Durdey - Harshlands wrote: »

Dungeons now have a time-limit.

To prevent people from saving instances and farming them. I agree with the change, though I think it places a bit of a restriction on people doing 3-2 or 3-3.

Durdey - Harshlands wrote: »

Yet another pack has been added to kill the economy once again

I'm really surprised they didn't even wait a week and went with back to back pack releases. Whatever... I want a mammoth

Not being able to triple spark in stealth is NOT a nerfing assassins. LOL dork. They said ages ago they where going to make this change.

Nerfing would be removing ability to force stealth in battle, handing out cheap Detection Pots at nearest pharmacy or lower interval on daggers etc

Sins is still the best PvP class out there. You can get the same attack speed as fist BM but hit so much harder and crit far more. Still have the best skills in the game. Not being able to triple spark in stealth just gives the opponent a few sec to react - most likely they die anyway.

And lol at comparing demon spark in stealth with nix bleed. Nixbleed can get purified, there are genies skills around, it cant bypass you charm or crit. You cant +10 or +12 a nix or make it attack faster with interval gear. Its a freaking pet that hurts a bit up to low 9X, endgame its pretty harmless dmg.

Force you out of stealth.

If it took away the attack boost it would be a true nerf b:shocked

Silent_Sin - Sanctuary wrote: »

^^^ join date: mar 2010, level 9x .... talk about creditcard b:bye

It's funny because it's true.

@OP: b:bye We won't miss you. Obviously, you like many others do not understand the principles of a F2P game. It costs money to run this game. It costs quite a lot of money to run this game. So, the solution is obviously to gain money from it, hence the Cash Shop. Now, there are only so many people who will want some of the things from the Cash Shop, so they need to find ways to keep people buying a lot. Therefore, people who pay with cash get an extra advantage over those of us who leech off the others who actually pay to keep this game running.

Honestly, you really shouldn't come back to this game. In fact, please don't. It is people like you who make this game worse. Honestly, this game needs some things in order to make sense. For example, the mounts that the Pet Manager sells are more expensive than the Polaris Cub is, but the CS mount runs faster.

I've been playing this game for a long time. In fact, I can pretty much guarantee longer than you. It is very easy in fact to tell how long someone has been playing based on how they react to updates and how they respond to them. For example, I think the 4 hour limit on dungeons is quite a bit unfair, but I do understand why they did it. I think they will probably change something about it once people start to complain enough, and rightfully so. However, I'm not trying to flame the Devs for it. I voice my opinion, and I let it go, because that is basically all I can do. They will do what they have to in order to make money, which is what a business does. If you don't like how a business is run, you better run off into the wilderness and live off the land, because that is how society is.

ACLucius - Archosaur wrote: »

It's funny because it's true.

@OP: b:bye We won't miss you. Obviously, you like many others do not understand the principles of a F2P game. It costs money to run this game. It costs quite a lot of money to run this game. So, the solution is obviously to gain money from it, hence the Cash Shop. Now, there are only so many people who will want some of the things from the Cash Shop, so they need to find ways to keep people buying a lot. Therefore, people who pay with cash get an extra advantage over those of us who leech off the others who actually pay to keep this game running.

Honestly, you really shouldn't come back to this game. In fact, please don't. It is people like you who make this game worse. Honestly, this game needs some things in order to make sense. For example, the mounts that the Pet Manager sells are more expensive than the Polaris Cub is, but the CS mount runs faster.

I've been playing this game for a long time. In fact, I can pretty much guarantee longer than you. It is very easy in fact to tell how long someone has been playing based on how they react to updates and how they respond to them. For example, I think the 4 hour limit on dungeons is quite a bit unfair, but I do understand why they did it. I think they will probably change something about it once people start to complain enough, and rightfully so. However, I'm not trying to flame the Devs for it. I voice my opinion, and I let it go, because that is basically all I can do. They will do what they have to in order to make money, which is what a business does. If you don't like how a business is run, you better run off into the wilderness and live off the land, because that is how society is.

ow o.o Q.Q........painfully true ^.^

LOL Durdey, suck it the f up! Seriously. BTW, I'm Okeano and my account is temp banned because I tried to log on when I was in China, so don't give me the "post on your main" ****.

The only thing break stealth does is that we can't spark then own 5 guys that are standing next to eachother. Even then, you can just do it above them then drop. This update doesn't change a thing on 1v1 and if you can't see why, I won't bother to tell you.

1v1 wise, non-cashshop Sin is still every bit of OP. I was killing Dragonslayer repeatedly without stealth last month before I left for my vacation.

I've known about the change for a long time now and glad of it. It's about time PW starts to separate out the noob Sins from the rest.

It's funny because it's true.

@OP: We won't miss you. Obviously, you like many others do not understand the principles of a F2P game. It costs money to run this game. It costs quite a lot of money to run this game. So, the solution is obviously to gain money from it, hence the Cash Shop. <I know things cost money, but it's rediculous how much money they are pulling in. ever research how much it costs to achieve rank 8 gear? ever check to see how many tokens are for sale? at any given time, how much money is ready to sell in the gold trade? any given week there is over $1000 exchanged JUST in gold trade. > Now, there are only so many people who will want some of the things from the Cash Shop, so they need to find ways to keep people buying a lot. Therefore, people who pay with cash get an extra advantage over those of us who leech off the others who actually pay to keep this game running. <wow you sound like a complete idiot. there's more than one way to skin a cat. i guess you dont know how to make money in this game without resorting to mommy's credit card.>

Honestly, you really shouldn't come back to this game. In fact, please don't. It is people like you who make this game worse. Honestly, this game needs some things in order to make sense. For example, the mounts that the Pet Manager sells are more expensive than the Polaris Cub is, but the CS mount runs faster. <im not on arch, im positive no one cares about you too. I'll admit, I made this game bad with how much pvp I was involved in. but im sure ill be missed by far more people than you will ever be missed>

I've been playing this game for a long time. In fact, I can pretty much guarantee longer than you. <nope>It is very easy in fact to tell how long someone has been playing based on how they react to updates and how they respond to them. <that's BS, people ragequit for various reasons. doesnt mean they're less pro. just means that they wont take the bull-sheet that developers toss in their faces> For example, I think the 4 hour limit on dungeons is quite a bit unfair, <aww, i QQ for u> but I do understand why they did it. I think they will probably change something about it once people start to complain enough, and rightfully so. However, I'm not trying to flame the Devs for it. I voice my opinion, and I let it go, because that is basically all I can do. They will do what they have to in order to make money, which is what a business does. <if you're soo good at knowing how to run a business, why not get your own business and see how well that works out? business is tough, people make mistakes because of bad promotional ideas and some people have such bad ideas but promote it to the people who make decisions in an amazing way. it really is an issue if you have a group of people that think these packs are going to continue revenue without hurting the gamers that dont cash shop. some iditos mind it, but im getting tired of it. the new setup screws with my entire character development.>If you don't like how a business is run, you better run off into the wilderness and live off the land, because that is how society is. <if i dont like how a business is run, ill just not become involved with that business anymore. wow, you must be one of the biggest idiots ive ever come across. you made flaming you so easy>

Oh, wow, you really get it. A business that tries to make as much money as it can is bad? Since when? This is news to me. Suck it up, this game is a business. They do not host it to provide you with entertainment, they do it to make money. Therefore, yes, they are going to do whatever it takes to make as much money as possible. They do it because people will buy them. Simple economics here, supply and demand. If you are trying to say they should stop selling packs when it clearly makes them the most money, you had better go back to high school and take some classes, you didn't get enough.

You are right, if I leave this game, no one will miss me. Just the same, no one will miss you. With the attitude you have and the obvious maturity level based on your reaction to this patch, I'd say quite a few people will be happy you are gone if you weren't just drunk when you wrote your first post.

So you say you have been around since Harshlands opened? Well, you just proved me right. I've been playing PWI since the closed beta. I started on Lost City and was in UnLimited before it disbanded. Before that, I had played PW-MY for about 3-4 months. So yes, I've been around longer than you.

As for the part that is in bold, you should just /facepalm. I've never said I could run a business, but obviously I understand the basics better than you. Maximize profits, that is what you do in a business. If a small amount of people complain compared to how the very large amount who keep your profits going don't, it doesn't matter much. Think about it, if they listen to you and get rid of packs, they will lose a lot of money. Where is the benefit for them? You are expecting them to lose the main source of their profits just to make it easier on someone (like you) who doesn't spend money on the game anyways? You basically are wanting something for nothing, and you should know by now, nothing is ever completely free. There is always some kind of cost and that cost may not always be money. You want to play this game, it will cost you to become good in it. You have to pay in time and effort what other people can pay for with money. If they didn't get to skip over most of that effort by paying with money, what incentive would there be to even spend money?

Now, you complain because you are playing for free on a game, and now people who keep that game running by spending money on it are doing better than you? Do I really need to point out why this doesn't make sense? Just for the fun of it, I will.

You aren't paying a dime for this game. However, someone else who pays money to support this game is getting better gear than you. Why? Because they bought it with real money. You don't deserve to have it as easy as them because they are spending real money. Economies run on exchanging money for something of value. When people spend money on a game, they expect to get what they want. In this case, they are paying for an added advantage in the game. If you go to the store right now, you have two options. Spend a lot of money on something of great quality, or spend little money for lesser quality. In this case, you would be the one spending lesser money for lesser quality.

Honestly, I didn't even need to respond to your post. The fallacies in it alone are enough that you basically flamed yourself. However, just to point them out to you, I decided to respond. Here is one more that you also made a fool of yourself on. I don't cash shop. I haven't spent any money on this game at all. I have said this many times, and I'm sure if you looked at my character, you would see that it is quite obvious. I still wear 3* armors, I have had to farm for the mats for my weapons myself. My mount (panther) I had to grind and farm mats to sell to get the money for it. I have made it well off on my own without ever having to spend real money on this game. Do I know how hard it is to get rank 8 gear? Hell yes I do, 200k rep isn't easy to obtain, but it doesn't mean that there aren't ways of doing it without using the Cash Shop or any of it's items.

you made flaming you so easy

Wrong, you only proved my point even more with your responses. You proved your obvious lack of knowledge and the basic logic that comes with it. I don't like to make myself sound like an ****. In fact, I usually do all I can to avoid it. However, you are an exception. You do not have any logical facts for why they should bend to your will and follow what you say would be best. All you did was say "I don't like this, I'm raging," and then added a bunch of nonsense BS to it. Please, I'll ask that if you can't come back with some actual logic and put it in your post, don't do it at all. The only thing I hate worse than sounding like an **** is letting a person make a complete fool of themselves. I'd much rather this conversation end here if you can't put some logical thoughts on the table.

However, should you choose to come back with something else, I am more than happy to make another post like this and sink your intelligence as the public sees it even further.

Right-o. Time to get this business done. All this troll and QQ must be stemmed and redirected.

PS; I've been here since about November 2008, Durd. That's fairly close to closed beta, methinks...jus' sayin'.