Need Help! BM or SIN

Calvco - Raging Tide
Calvco - Raging Tide Posts: 31 Arc User
edited June 2010 in Assassin
ok, so far ive heard assassins can do pretty much the same thing as BMs only better. is this true? what are the differences between them, which one is better at soloing, which one deals more damage?
Thank You for answering!
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  • Kitamura - Lost City
    Kitamura - Lost City Posts: 253 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Calvco - Raging Tide wrote: »
    ok, so far ive heard assassins can do pretty much the same thing as BMs only better. is this true? what are the differences between them, which one is better at soloing, which one deals more damage?
    Thank You for answering!

    Assassins can out-damage any BM easily, BM's only have the advantage of having HA gear that helps a lot in melle, what a sin can fix with some ornament(Nec+Belt+Rings) refines.
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  • _Leif - Lost City
    _Leif - Lost City Posts: 369 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    BMs get 5 aps with fists much more easily than sins can with daggers, can use mutliple weapons, and are much more resilient to physical damage than sins.

    That said, I'm pretty confident that sins can outdamage even uber cash shopped BMs and are even better at soloing once you understand how to play the class. I wouldn't advise making a sin as your first character. The low levels are a pain in the **** especially if you've never played the game before.
  • Calvco - Raging Tide
    Calvco - Raging Tide Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    ive only played this game for about a week now but ive made a lvl 3 archer, 9 barb, and 7 wiz, so it wont be my 1st character. i have to wait one day for my archer to delete, so i can use his name so im waiting to make my new character. any tips on playing the assassin? i think thats what i want to do.
  • Calvco - Raging Tide
    Calvco - Raging Tide Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    do you have any tips on playing the assassin? i think thats what im gonna make.
  • CarricaSin - Heavens Tear
    CarricaSin - Heavens Tear Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    most will tell you to make a gazillion life powders or buy a ton of pots. ive never done either and i survived to lvl 43. Yes you are squishy as hell the first 30lvls. just dont act like an idiot and try to kill like 4 mobs at once. kill, meditate, kill, meditate if needed. thats pretty much it. slipstream strike and puncture wound are the 2 skills i used most at low lvls. Bloodpaint is an amazing thing, but you dont get that til level 34. My build is 1 STR and 4 DEX every level. to me vit is a stupid thing to stat as a sin. sure at low levels its ok, but when you get up there higher, you will regret it. Thats a little advice from me. take it or dont idc b:victory just sharing my experiences.

    b:bye Peace
  • Islamey - Dreamweaver
    Islamey - Dreamweaver Posts: 586 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I'm pretty confident that sins can outdamage even uber cash shopped BMs
    I'm pretty confident that uber ubser cash shopped sins can outdamage even uber cash shopped BMs.

    And I'm not too sure why, but the BMs are still out-dpsing all the sins in the nein event.
    BM's only have the advantage of having HA gear that helps a lot in melle,
    This is the BMs main advantage. Assassins are useless in TW because theyre so squishy.
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  • _Leif - Lost City
    _Leif - Lost City Posts: 369 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Islamey - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    And I'm not too sure why, but the BMs are still out-dpsing all the sins in the nein event.

    I can think of three things: 1) It's much more difficult to get 5 attacks per second as an assassin using daggers; I've only seen one sin on the server so far with full -int gear (NOT counting rank 8 top). 2) We're squishy. When people aoe on nein beast, BMs have a greater chance of tanking the damage. 3) Since sins are relatively new, there's a lot less high levels compared to BMs.

    I've seen a sin rack up 11k contribution once, but thats the highest so far.
    Islamey - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    This is the BMs main advantage. Assassins are useless in TW because theyre so squishy.

    Easy TW targets: clerics healing cata tanks + archers zhenning. I haven't done any TW with my sin but I think it would be best for the sin to stay stealthed whenever not in combat and fly along side the main battle. Find your target, shadow jump, do your thang, and gtfo.
  • Calvco - Raging Tide
    Calvco - Raging Tide Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    cool thanks for all the advise =)
  • Calvco - Raging Tide
    Calvco - Raging Tide Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    cool thanks for all the advise and replying to me :)
  • Taxi - Lost City
    Taxi - Lost City Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    _Leif - Lost City wrote: »
    I can think of three things: 1) It's much more difficult to get 5 attacks per second as an assassin using daggers; I've only seen one sin on the server so far with full -int gear (NOT counting rank 8 top). 2) We're squishy. When people aoe on nein beast, BMs have a greater chance of tanking the damage. 3) Since sins are relatively new, there's a lot less high levels compared to BMs.

    I've seen a sin rack up 11k contribution once, but thats the highest so far.

    Lost City already have a 5aps Sin??

    What's his name, I want look at his gear b:chuckle
  • _Leif - Lost City
    _Leif - Lost City Posts: 369 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I didn't take down the name, only remember that they were the RageQuit (MAYBE RedHawk tho I doubt it) leader at one time =/.

    They had both HH 99 bonuses, nirvana pants, rank 6 chest, nirvana daggers, lunar cape, and a love up and down.

    Female assassin btw
  • Islamey - Dreamweaver
    Islamey - Dreamweaver Posts: 586 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I can think of three things: 1) It's much more difficult to get 5 attacks per second as an assassin using daggers; I've only seen one sin on the server so far with full -int gear (NOT counting rank 8 top). 2) We're squishy. When people aoe on nein beast, BMs have a greater chance of tanking the damage. 3) Since sins are relatively new, there's a lot less high levels compared to BMs.
    1) I've seen sins with full -int gears on our server, adn they never come close to the top bm in the event. 2) What does squishy have to do with greater chance of tanking? 3)Yeah but it doesnt matter how many there are. I'm saying the top assassin in the nein event doesnt come close to the top BMs. And you can bet that the top assassin is a 5 aps lvl 100.
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  • ACLucius - Archosaur
    ACLucius - Archosaur Posts: 610 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Taxi - Lost City wrote: »
    Lost City already have a 5aps Sin??

    What's his name, I want look at his gear b:chuckle

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=b6315f17570d565e

    Courtesy of Killahoe. Ideally, that would be the set up to get you 5 APS.
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  • Taxi - Lost City
    Taxi - Lost City Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    ACLucius - Archosaur wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=b6315f17570d565e

    Courtesy of Killahoe. Ideally, that would be the set up to get you 5 APS.

    What I wanted was to look to a real Assassin In-game with 5aps.

    Any Idiot can use pwcalc to dream, just look at your example, Helm is only Nirvana 1st recast that lowers damage and also don't gives +5 Atk level.
  • Yarly - Harshlands
    Yarly - Harshlands Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    There are a handful of them on Harshlands. They easily come in first at the nien event.

    The one i saw his name was PureHate from Kylin.
  • Astrohawke - Lost City
    Astrohawke - Lost City Posts: 199 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Theoretically, assassins should out dps BMs when both are 5 aps with same best possible equips because of a much higher crit rate. There could be many reasons why BMs get more contribution during the event. There are very few sins with that kind of gear and maybe they cant be on during the time the event is going. Maybe they just plain haven't got as high refine gear as the BMs do. The event is not really a reliable indicator.
  • Yarly - Harshlands
    Yarly - Harshlands Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Astrohawke - Lost City wrote: »
    Theoretically, assassins should out dps BMs when both are 5 aps with same best possible equips because of a much higher crit rate. There could be many reasons why BMs get more contribution during the event. There are very few sins with that kind of gear and maybe they cant be on during the time the event is going. Maybe they just plain haven't got as high refine gear as the BMs do. The event is not really a reliable indicator.

    On Harshlands its not about participating in the event anyway. I think 90% of the high levels are out there pking. The ones that are, do not bother turning on their protections and just aoe everything anyway (including players lol). Got to love pvp servers.
  • Batman - Harshlands
    Batman - Harshlands Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Depends of the day, if people care to participate or pk during the event. On Harshlands I saw a sin with nirvana daggers doing 36k points, sometimes there is a bm doing 36k so not much difference yet but most players in top list are bm's.

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