Drop rate

Krystabela - Harshlands
Krystabela - Harshlands Posts: 75 Arc User
edited June 2010 in General Discussion
*begin rant*


Hey GM's what is up with the drop rate? I remember a time when getting a mold meant something. Now a days getting a mold simply means another dam item to clog up your inventory until you give up selling it and finally npc it. I mean come on Wind and the Clouds Mold can't even sell for 10k ... heck your lucky if you can give the dam things away these days. I see more of some molds lately then I do of three star items. Molds are becoming far to common and lowering their value greatly. I've been playing this game since it came out and Malaysia a year before that I have never seen drop rates so unbalanced before.

So now not only can we NOT make money selling molds because they are to common, but you also lower the prices of dq items at the npc. Its getting harder and harder to make money honestly. b:sad

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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Krystabela - Harshlands wrote: »
    *begin rant*


    Hey GM's what is up with the drop rate? I remember a time when getting a mold meant something. Now a days getting a mold simply means another dam item to clog up your inventory until you give up selling it and finally npc it. I mean come on Wind and the Clouds Mold can't even sell for 10k ... heck your lucky if you can give the dam things away these days. I see more of some molds lately then I do of three star items. Molds are becoming far to common and lowering their value greatly. I've been playing this game since it came out and Malaysia a year before that I have never seen drop rates so unbalanced before.

    So now not only can we NOT make money selling molds because they are to common, but you also lower the prices of dq items at the npc. Its getting harder and harder to make money honestly. b:sad

    *end rant*

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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    What we need is a greater balance between molds. Some molds can't sell for 10k like you said... others, you'd have to win the lottery to find (as they only drop from regular mobs at something like a a .0001% chance).

    Also: GMs have no power over something like this. 80s... you oughta know that by now :-/
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  • Bludd - Harshlands
    Bludd - Harshlands Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Think about how many people do those FBs daily due to bounty hunter. Especially now that tokens are plentiful and wine is cheap.

    Try farming HH. At your level you should be making money there, not trying to sell crappy molders.
  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    FB99 is the only FB instance worth the wine for molds and books.

    ...sure you have FB69 with the cape, but ehhh...thats devaluing faster.
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  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    well... if its a drop its still a profit tho.... unless your one of the pple that are overly greedy and put it up for a high/normal price. I usually put mines up way cheaper so it always sells :P
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  • Krystabela - Harshlands
    Krystabela - Harshlands Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I'm one of those ppl who will put things up for a lower price just to sell it and things still don't sell. Yeah I know I can sell TT/HH items but even those aren't selling that great atm coming off that dam 2x drop rate period. I use to be able to sell ancient serpent skin for over 100k now i'm lucky to get 50k out of it. I'm not greedy just want to be able to do my cs and bh's but go broke doing those. In game economy lately sucks as bad as rl economy.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    FB99 is the only FB instance worth the wine for molds and books.

    ...sure you have FB69 with the cape, but ehhh...thats devaluing faster.

    There are only two molds in fb99 worth anything... cape and arcane top. The rest of the molds are ****. Book drops aren't common and you usually get ****. There are a few expensive books that can drop. FB69 drops cape.

    I remember when Calamity mold used to sell for 5m+. Now they don't sell at 500k. TC Cape used to sell for 8-10m. Now they're 3m.

    BH and 2x has ruined the prices of these molds.

    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    What we need is a greater balance between molds. Some molds can't sell for 10k like you said... others, you'd have to win the lottery to find (as they only drop from regular mobs at something like a a .0001% chance).

    Those rare mob drop molds actually used to drop every once in a while... when people actually had to grind their levels. However, now, not enough people grind so they're more rare than ever. But most of those molds are low level **** anyway.
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  • Krystabela - Harshlands
    Krystabela - Harshlands Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    I remember when Calamity mold used to sell for 5m+. Now they don't sell at 500k. TC Cape used to sell for 8-10m. Now they're 3m.

    BH and 2x has ruined the prices of these molds.




    Those rare mob drop molds actually used to drop every once in a while... when people actually had to grind their levels. However, now, not enough people grind so they're more rare than ever. But most of those molds are low level **** anyway.

    YAY!!! b:laugh Someone else who remembers the good days. And you are completely right. All these Bh's and 2x have ruined things. Getting a mold in a bh used to be exciting now its "oh **** now I gotta try to sell the fckn thing" I may only be lvl 90 (dam lvl is wrong on my pic) but I've been playing a very long time and I've never seen in game economy so bad.
  • Notgood - Raging Tide
    Notgood - Raging Tide Posts: 347 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You do realize that it's the intention? When you accept that, you can kinda start to realize why is that done, and then lastly you will see the whole picture: when you can't make money in game, you need to charge zen.
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  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Krystabela - Harshlands wrote: »
    I'm not greedy just want to be able to do my cs and bh's but go broke doing those
    Krystabela - Harshlands wrote: »
    All these Bh's and 2x have ruined things.


    lol?
    you can always grind to get some money btw...
    and cs after 81? ew ew ew it's almost 2 wines
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    molds have devalued because of BH and changes on chips required to make them.

    Sky Demon's used to be 10m, Misty Forest as well. I suppose on one hand, it's harder to make money by non-merchant means, on the other, it's easier to get by with less coin with a bunch of cheaper molders - that is, until you hit 95+ and want top end gear.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    ^ agreed.
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    and cs after 81? ew ew ew it's almost 2 wines

    I still do CS. b:surrender
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  • Stilled - Archosaur
    Stilled - Archosaur Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    molds have devalued because of BH and changes on chips required to make them.

    Sky Demon's used to be 10m, Misty Forest as well. I suppose on one hand, it's harder to make money by non-merchant means, on the other, it's easier to get by with less coin with a bunch of cheaper molders - that is, until you hit 95+ and want top end gear.

    She's right.

    The BHs were implemented to help non-CSers catch up. The Nien Event makes it even more simple to get chips for most players, which, in turn makes it easier to get mold equipment if you cant get it cheap via AH or BH drop. We've been spoiled a lot lately by the double drops from those 2x events, but its the value of the DQ items--that do feel like dropping for us--that make us want to cry. If they would implement a patch that would increase the drop rate on ONLY DQ items by 1/3 more, the value of the item dropped wouldnt matter so much anymore. Only problem with that--Asian servers would get the same thing and those servers would be back to gold farming and abusing the system... 'round and 'round we go.

    Simply put: We're spoiled by 2x drops. We're screwed by all drop-values sinking (molds, DQ, 3* [cause those decomp for less mirages]). Nothing you can do unless you feel like quitting the game, or spending about 2x the time grinding to get the same amount of money you have gotten a year ago.

    Personally, drops do seem to suck worse lately. I grinded on my 303030 Dragon Templar quests for a long **** time. I considered myself fortunate to be able to get a lvl80 pot or a Lucky Box, let alone the freak DQ item that would be pooped out by every other mob I killed. I made a 100k profit by the end of the grind and after repairs. 71550 was used for CS after that. b:sweat
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  • SaintDominic - Sanctuary
    SaintDominic - Sanctuary Posts: 284 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You do realize that it's the intention? When you accept that, you can kinda start to realize why is that done, and then lastly you will see the whole picture: when you can't make money in game, you need to charge zen.

    ^^This I agree
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  • Cyrl - Raging Tide
    Cyrl - Raging Tide Posts: 194 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I'm a "second generation" player and even I remember being on my lvl 20 veno and wondering about how I was going to get the money for a wheel of fate mold.

    Now, I see one in every 3rd catshop in west arch going from 500-700k.

    Molds used to be so hard to find, and having a molded weapon was an accomplishment. Now, it's just standard.

    Although I have noticed that I can find more molds on the RT server than on any of the older servers. Ideas as to why?
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  • volst
    volst Posts: 180
    edited June 2010
    They used to change the prices of molds at merchant depending on their abundance/availability on the market. Now they just don't care anymore.

    Heck the only reason tauren cape costs 3m is because that's what the fee is to get it with chips.
  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    The entire chips system doesn't make much sense at all anyway, made doing most FB's for molds/ TT for gold mats (other than for profit) kinda pointless.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    volst wrote: »
    Heck the only reason tauren cape costs 3m is because that's what the fee is to get it with chips.

    Chips used to be hard to get... the only place you could get them were in the cube... I remember wanting to buy molds and paying high levels 70k per chip + mold fees. That's changed as well. Chips are irrelevant now.
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  • SneakyStalk - Harshlands
    SneakyStalk - Harshlands Posts: 440 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    At higher levels you should be ready to spend overall at least 150m, not all together obviously. Demon/Sage skills, shards, refines, gears, lunar wpn, bla bla bla.

    You all have to remember its still a game, and making coin is not hard. You just need to grind the **** outta you first in order to get ur inintial money to invest (or sell 10 bucks, idk). Im not talking quantum physics here, buy low and resell high. That's all I can say, cause I have my own methods and knowledge of prices in my server already b:bye

    Don't fool yourself with AH, if u see high carbon steel for 10m there, it doesnt mean it sells for that price zZz.

    Anyway, TT60-70 mats are worth **** now. I rather bank them for my alts than sell them uber cheap. TT80 and 90 me and my wife only run for our own souledges. 3-3 is a ****.
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