Def +1 ?

Inias - Heavens Tear · June 2010

so what i've been wondering ,
i have some DEF +2 (jade of steady defence) in my gear and gives me a total of +8 defence

i was just wondering if that +8 defence gives me a -8% dmg reduction on all dmg i'm getting or not , cuz with the nirvana gear that i got and that def+8 i'm still getting normal hits like 2-3 k some even 4-5 k (ppl with crazy gear offc) in TWb:surrender

so am i realy getting the DMG reduction? ad would those ppl really do even more dmg without my gear or is there something that i missed somewhere ?
b:pleased

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver · June 2010

some related info:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=698392

8% is also quite small, if a normal hit is 2000-3000 then the hit filtered through jade would be 1840-2760

another factor is that one blessbox from the pwi teacher gives +8 attack level and i guess that it would be used in tw..

i dont think that x defence level simply means -x% of the damage even if the attackers attack level is 0 and i dont think that the -(def-attack)% formula is correct (no matter how much i would like itb:cute)

Inias - Heavens Tear · June 2010

wel yeah the 8 % isn't that much , but i also put on the bless box with uhm is it 8 % + defence? i think so

so in TW i'd have +16 defence

i dunno how the defence actually calculates in the dmg yr getting
i'm wondring if i shouldkeep going for def+2 or garnet gems

Ursa - Dreamweaver · June 2010

yes, you get overall 2% damage reduction.
But unless you have in excess of 10k hp I don't think is a good idea to have those stones. There was some math somewhere on wizards forum but I can't remember exact numbers. Anyway, what I remember is that to be worth it you need a huge HP pool.
And yes, you're a cleric, PPL hitting you for 2-3k and 4-5k crits is normal, what do you expect from +10 lunars or Nirvana bows?
If I can hit a cleric with 8.6k pdef and 12k mdef for 4.5k non-crit with my bids (poison, frenzy and undine) and I only have a Neon +10 with 1 socket then I don't see why a lunar bow won't hit you for at least the same amount.

Inias - Heavens Tear · June 2010

bump b:surrender

i'd still like a response on what other ppl think if defence is better then getting phys defence or not , i know it'll depend on how much phys defence u already have (or mag defence for heavy armor) but i'd like to get some statistics b:pleased

oooor a gm responce who can get some info on how they exactly work would be nice too b:cute

Vitenka - Dreamweaver · June 2010

Yup.

But if someone hits you for 2500, say.
8% of that is just 200.
So they still hit you for 2300.

It's a difference - but not a vast one.

The percentage reduction from defence is something like: 40*your_level=1% There's a thread about it somewhere.
Oh - here we go:
%ReducFromPdef = Pdef / ( Pdef + 40 * Lvl )

Magiere - Dreamweaver · June 2010

Unless u have some crazy refines on Pdef ornaments, Citrine gems/Garnet gems are better in my opinion.

I chose garnet gems mostly, since we as cleric have sucky pdef unless we refine like crazy, at which point def lvl stones will be better.

I want stone barrier, QQ.

Hitokeri - Heavens Tear · June 2010

I don't know if this is the right way to look at it, but if I hoover my mouse over the Physical Def. stat, a window shows up and tells me "Damage from level xx enemy attacks will be reduced by xx%". Now, how many physical defense stones do I need to add for the xx% to go up by 1%? will adding one physical defense stone cause the % to go up by 1%?

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear · June 2010

They're unrelated. Even if you had over 9000 DEF lvl, that number wouldn't go up.

_Aphrael_ - Sanctuary · June 2010

Whether garnets or +def lvl is more effective depends on how many def lvl you will add and your current def. If you're using arcane armour and thus have low phys def adding a lvl12 garnet for +150 def will have a much greater effect that +1 del lvl. However defence has diminishing return if you have 5000 pys def and your dmg taken is reduced by 40% increasing your def to 10000 will not give you -80% dmg taken. wheras adding def lvl reduces dgm taken in a linear progression. So as far as i can tell adding only a few def lvl stones is ineffective but if you added jade of steady defence to all 24 possible sockets you would notice a huge difference

Ty - Heavens Tear · June 2010

From a cost point of view if you can afford to shard with def +2 gems then I would do so over sharding with citrine/garnet gems. The longer you play the higher you refine you gear (Ty's law). So unless you're OK with purging citrine and garnet gems later on once your HP reaches the threshold for Def +2 gems, I'd start putting Jades in right away. Or you could use flawless for the time being.

@Ursa, I remember seeing that post also, pretty sure it was from Gyonax and I'm also pretty sure he was talking about def +1, not def +2. In that case Def +2 gems are worthwhile at a lower HP point.

Inias - Heavens Tear · June 2010

right now i got like 3 k phys defence unbuffed and i have +8defence so 3 jades of steady defence and 2 DOD

i have no clue if i should try n keep putting jades in or just keep the def as it is and start putting garnets in

i just don't have a clue starting from wich point defence is better then garnets , i'd go for defence cuz i thought well , it's not gonna be awesome for phys def but it'll help , but then again if i get a wiz on my **** i'll be able to take him on better

althooo if u look at those blessings we get in instances they don't help thaaat much
these defence lvl's are confusing >_>

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · June 2010

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/

there, solved all ur present and future dilemmas

Inias - Heavens Tear · June 2010

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/

there, solved all ur present and future dilemmas

doesn't really help, except if it can run test simulations b:surrender
i know the site, used it b4 , doesn't really help on this kinda topic

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · June 2010

conclusion seems to be unless your like a bm or barb these stones are pretty much money wasting for mages unless you stack stack stack them (like in all gear), which if u did, your overall hp or pdef would suffer in turn....

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · June 2010

test simulations? huh?

this site gives u all info u need.. u make different builds and just compare if f.e. 4 def+2 gems will be better than 4 garnet gems or 4 citrine gems for you

you can see ur hp, u can see dmg reduction from garnets, and u know that 4 x def+2 is 8% dmg reduction

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear · June 2010

pwcalc isn't working b:chuckle

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · June 2010

what?

lies?

*checks*

omg b:cry they will fix it - right? b:worried

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