Make a squad bank for TT-items and Wine cost!!
Amencat - Sanctuary
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I`m sure you all had it once, when you give the squad leader the 40k share for wine, they kick you after that just to get a friend in or the leader leave and dc after getting the money...
or you done the whole TT run, the people force you to drop the items for TT-bank, and after the run, the one who banks those items, just leave and you come out with nothing after hours of hard work... and the worst thing is, the GMs are not even interested in such problems... you make a ticket, they just close the topic... thank you >_>
now,.. my suggestion is, make at least a squad bank, where all the drops come inside and noone get them until the squad leader make a division, something like an allocation for all the items for each player, AND EVERYONE HAVE TO AGREE TO GET THEM... if the squad is dissmissed, or if someone has been kicked, all the items have to be devided EQUALLY under all players, so not that 1 gets 10 and all others get 3 or nothing, no!! make that all get the same amount of them!!
MAKE THE DAMN RANDOM ITEM GETTING FAIR!!
or you done the whole TT run, the people force you to drop the items for TT-bank, and after the run, the one who banks those items, just leave and you come out with nothing after hours of hard work... and the worst thing is, the GMs are not even interested in such problems... you make a ticket, they just close the topic... thank you >_>
now,.. my suggestion is, make at least a squad bank, where all the drops come inside and noone get them until the squad leader make a division, something like an allocation for all the items for each player, AND EVERYONE HAVE TO AGREE TO GET THEM... if the squad is dissmissed, or if someone has been kicked, all the items have to be devided EQUALLY under all players, so not that 1 gets 10 and all others get 3 or nothing, no!! make that all get the same amount of them!!
MAKE THE DAMN RANDOM ITEM GETTING FAIR!!
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1. Dont break this rules & no matter what: DONT TRUST ANYONE!
2. Dont pay wine or heads fee (like to get kicked after that?) b:chuckle
3. Dont borrow items (since when return gms scammed stuff?) b:embarrass
4. Dont use your password in faction-forums (like hacks?) b:fatb
5. Dont give your mats to the tt-banker (obvious, not?) b:beg
6. Dont wait for help, or heals, or any other miracles,... (for more examples just play pwi and you will hate the whole humanity) b:bye
1. Dont break this rules & no matter what: DONT TRUST ANYONE!
2. Dont pay wine or heads fee (like to get kicked after that?) b:chuckle
3. Dont borrow items (since when return gms scammed stuff?) b:embarrass
4. Dont use your password in faction-forums (like hacks?) b:fatb
5. Dont give your mats to the tt-banker (obvious, not?) b:beg
6. Dont wait for help, or heals, or any other miracles,... (for more examples just play pwi and you will hate the whole humanity) b:bye
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I`m sure you all had it once, when you give the squad leader the 40k share for wine, they kick you after that just to get a friend in or the leader leave and dc after getting the money...or you done the whole TT run, the people force you to drop the items for TT-bank, and after the run, the one who banks those items, just leave and you come out with nothing after hours of hard work...
If you go into TT with random ppl & allow them to bank this is what you gona get.my suggestion is, make at least a squad bank, where all the drops come inside and noone get them until the squad leader make a division,the squad is dissmissed, noone gets the items, if someone has been kicked, all the items dissappear also,
I personally had a few cases of kicking ppl out of tt/bh squads & for a good reason.
So NO to your suggestion. Be careful who you go with.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »So you're suggesting that the same squad leader that ran of with mats will be distributing them. No difference with your 1st examples.
This.
TT mats are distributed individually for a reason - tho some people's idea of a good order is skewed in my opinion. I'm surprised you've had random parties even having the drops on random. Makes life simpler to keep them on free and bank picks everything up.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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1. TTs don't use "wines" they use "ultimate substances," get your terms correct.
2. To prevent things like the examples the OP stated - DON'T SQUAD WITH RANDOM PEOPLE.
3. I'm sorry to hear what has happened to you but refer to #2.
4. It's usually better to have 1 subber, who gets first choice in items and not have it where everyone shares the substance costs.
5. Did I mention not to squad with random people?
PS. This suggestion is a bad suggestion and the problem could easily be fixed by something like.. not squading with random people.I call it how I see it.
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Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear wrote: »
4. It's usually better to have 1 subber, who gets first choice in items and not have it where everyone shares the substance costs.
Subber should NEVER get 1st pick IMO, unless the subber is the barb. 100k worth of ulti subs that can easily be made for free doesn't warrant first pick to me. Just chuck them enough mirages to make up for the cost of the subs.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »Subber should NEVER get 1st pick IMO, unless the subber is the barb. 100k worth of ulti subs that can easily be made for free doesn't warrant first pick to me. Just chuck them enough mirages to make up for the cost of the subs.
Say that to the constant amount of people who are reluctant to sub. I see what you mean but needless to say, I have encountered many times people who will not sub even if they knew what the price of subs are at.I call it how I see it.
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Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear wrote: »Say that to the constant amount of people who are reluctant to sub. I see what you mean but needless to say, I have encountered many times people who will not sub even if they knew what the price of subs are at.
I don't disagree with that at all. I'm just really picky about who I TT with I suppose. When someone asks for first pick for subbing, they go right onto the "Never go with them again" list. I usually carry some subs on me so if someone tries to pull that trick, I'll offer to sub without raising my pick anyway.
I realize it's easier for me to do that than a DD as I'm already getting a nice pick, but it's still something I feel is the right way to do it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Thanks for the sig Ophida0 -
That's just so odd to me...
When you go on a run with me =
1) Call a mat/what you need
2) Extras can go to someone who doesn't need or never called anything...like if going for culti, etc
3) Subber can call gold (like on 3-3 BH)
4) Mirages, little things = random/whoever picks up if on Free
I have NEVER divided mats based on class. Call what you need basically...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »That's just so odd to me...
When you go on a run with me =
1) Call a mat/what you need
2) Extras can go to someone who doesn't need or never called anything...like if going for culti, etc
3) Subber can call gold (like on 3-3 BH)
4) Mirages, little things = random/whoever picks up if on Free
I have NEVER divided mats based on class. Call what you need basically...
In a guild run, I agree. In random runs, quite frankly I meet too many lazy players or pure idiots. Start of run BM says "Hey guys I need antennas, is that cool?" We all say fine, you can grab one if we get it. BM proceeds to go afk for 3/4ths of the run, including doggie and astral - then pitches a fit when she asks for 2 antennas at the end and I object b:surrender In the end it's just easier and avoids more arguments to set a drop order beforehand, imo. With gold mats I'm a firm believer in the banker selling the mat and evenly splitting the cash between the party members tho.
I guess my point of view is that subbing takes next to no effort. I see it as a necessary evil, not a sacrifice on anyone's part. Give the subber enough to recoop the cost and no more, in my opinion.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »Subber should NEVER get 1st pick IMO, unless the subber is the barb. 100k worth of ulti subs that can easily be made for free doesn't warrant first pick to me. Just chuck them enough mirages to make up for the cost of the subs.
and barb's repairs or clerics mana food which is worth less than 100k warrants first/second pick? such greediness this system made that now some barbs and clerics are spoiled and want first pick just because of who they are instead of covering their costs, which is how it started.First 103 on Raging Tide 30 Oct 2010
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MOST TT parties, especially at lower levels HAVE to have a set tank, and a set healer. The parties wouldn't be able to complete the TT without them. Yes, that warrants top picks in my book. Can you complete a TT without pure DDs? Sure - might take longer but you can do it with little issue. In MOST instances, again especially at lower levels you cannot do it without a tank and cleric.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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ok, for everyone who didnt get it yet...
1. the cost for a wine.. i mean this thing FOR BH NOT TT!!!
I KNOW THAT FOR TT in hard mode there is a sub needed!! So usually someone who needs the TT in specialy hard mode just use his own sub! if noone need the hard mode, the TT will be done in mid mode... so dont start a discussion how much subber is needed to get and how much the others!!! b:angry THATS NOT THE TOPIC HERE HELLOOOO?
2. AGAIN: if the leader just dc, everyone could get WITH MY SUGGESTION a fair amount equally of all the items which are in a squad bank (= a special made one bank, shown to everyone who are in squad, and not a member who carry everything) and the one who is dc, gets his drops from it into mail or something like thatSome Rules each PWI Gamer should know
1. Dont break this rules & no matter what: DONT TRUST ANYONE!
2. Dont pay wine or heads fee (like to get kicked after that?) b:chuckle
3. Dont borrow items (since when return gms scammed stuff?) b:embarrass
4. Dont use your password in faction-forums (like hacks?) b:fatb
5. Dont give your mats to the tt-banker (obvious, not?) b:beg
6. Dont wait for help, or heals, or any other miracles,... (for more examples just play pwi and you will hate the whole humanity) b:bye0 -
Even with a "bank" it would not promise ppl an "even" split since you all do it that way.
Otherwise simply call a mat...if it drops make sure you get it before moving onto the next boss.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
RoidAbuse is awesome, only he would sell his sperm for gear!!
"Toughest monster? ..... RedsRose b:surrender" - Kantorek
Where is my 1 v 1 Kan? b:mischievous0 -
if all of the players in squad need special items from the run, then the leader could allocate the items from the bank to the separate players,.. then all have to click: i agree to this devision and everyone gets the maths they want, .. if diplomaty dont work, so it will be random(=everyone get same amount of the items from the bank) who get what.. so easy would it beSome Rules each PWI Gamer should know
1. Dont break this rules & no matter what: DONT TRUST ANYONE!
2. Dont pay wine or heads fee (like to get kicked after that?) b:chuckle
3. Dont borrow items (since when return gms scammed stuff?) b:embarrass
4. Dont use your password in faction-forums (like hacks?) b:fatb
5. Dont give your mats to the tt-banker (obvious, not?) b:beg
6. Dont wait for help, or heals, or any other miracles,... (for more examples just play pwi and you will hate the whole humanity) b:bye0 -
How is the bank going to distribute it equally? Or even how are people going to get what they want without being unfair to other squad members?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Amencat - Sanctuary wrote: »if all of the players in squad need special items from the run, then the leader could allocate the items from the bank to the separate players,.. then all have to click: i agree to this devision and everyone gets the maths they want, .. if diplomaty dont work, so it will be random(=everyone get same amount of the items from the bank) who get what.. so easy would it be
Sorry for double post
But still a squad member got involved. Wasn't the whole point of this bank is to do it automatically without members getting involved? Because if the leader gives the special mats to the people who want it then there should be no problem in distributing the other mats
If I missed a point please correct me[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
i think with that, all the players would be involved,
couse the leader can assign the items (still in bank) to the players, (without getting them!! just allocate the items to the players), but until all agreed his choises would not countSome Rules each PWI Gamer should know
1. Dont break this rules & no matter what: DONT TRUST ANYONE!
2. Dont pay wine or heads fee (like to get kicked after that?) b:chuckle
3. Dont borrow items (since when return gms scammed stuff?) b:embarrass
4. Dont use your password in faction-forums (like hacks?) b:fatb
5. Dont give your mats to the tt-banker (obvious, not?) b:beg
6. Dont wait for help, or heals, or any other miracles,... (for more examples just play pwi and you will hate the whole humanity) b:bye0 -
The problem here still remains...
You are relying once again on the squad leader and a potential to lose everything....
Better to just run with people you know.
Hell, I run HH's everyday and have ppl go for nothing and I pocket everything that I want to take. They run with me because they trust me and know that later on I will help them if they need a mat(s) or culti whatever and/or I have helped them in the past. They even offer...<3 my friends b:cute. Many of these ppl will call me when they are in their own runs to heal Belial, to res or to even help heal a few bosses and if I can I will. It is a trade off and it works.
I will take on the occasional random squad but there is much discussion about it before I join. So far, I personally have yet to have a "bad" run this way.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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"Toughest monster? ..... RedsRose b:surrender" - Kantorek
Where is my 1 v 1 Kan? b:mischievous0 -
You know what? I'm not even gonna read this because the title itself tells me it's a bad idea. NO SQUAD BANKS. Any items would vanish when the squad changes at all. BAD IDEA. What if someone DC's? The items would just fly out the window, what a waste.
Why don't we get faction stashes instead. Then only squad with your own faction.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
So um...if theres a mold drop how are you going to evenly split that (no people (like me) will take it not sell it xD (unless i know you or in a tt) and keep it for myself) http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m182.gif[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Move along..move along0
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FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »MOST TT parties, especially at lower levels HAVE to have a set tank, and a set healer. The parties wouldn't be able to complete the TT without them. Yes, that warrants top picks in my book. Can you complete a TT without pure DDs? Sure - might take longer but you can do it with little issue. In MOST instances, again especially at lower levels you cannot do it without a tank and cleric.First 103 on Raging Tide 30 Oct 2010
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and barb's repairs or clerics mana food which is worth less than 100k warrants first/second pick? such greediness this system made that now some barbs and clerics are spoiled and want first pick just because of who they are instead of covering their costs, which is how it started.
Huh? how it got greedy? I've been playing for a while... & always seen barbs/clerics 1st picks. For some reason now it's less common.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
No I'm talking about where this thing came from originally, it was to cover the repair costs and mp food used in a run.
Then when people started to prefer to either fund the repairs/food themselves, or sub instead and get first pick, barbs and clerics cry. Which obviously shows they've been so spoiled with first picks that they forgot why this 'rule' was made in the first place. They just want first picks now just because of who they are.First 103 on Raging Tide 30 Oct 2010
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Even worse is when there's a barb in the squad and doesn't even tank, yet he demands first pick simply because he is a barb. He should get last pick for having lowest DPS in this case lol. Some barbs just think they need 1st pick because of what they are like you said. The "repair excuse" is just what they use when someone questions them.0
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Asheera - Raging Tide wrote: »Yeah go without DDs and have fun wasting more money on repairs and pots than you'd use to buy the mats b:chuckle
KK, I'll go without DDs. You go without a tank and cleric.
And no, if a barb comes along and refuses to tank, of course he doesn't deserve a top pick based only on his class, any more than a cleric who purely DDs.0 -
Adidad - Dreamweaver wrote: »KK, I'll go without DDs. You go without a tank and cleric.
And no, if a barb comes along and refuses to tank, of course he doesn't deserve a top pick based only on his class, any more than a cleric who purely DDs.
b:chuckle I saw a few barbs who wouldnt let venos tank in TT b:chuckle so thye could later nag for 1st picks lol.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
@Vilkass
Yes I had a high lvl herc veno that used 2 b forced not to tank because barb wanted first picks....even though barb would epicly failb:victory
Well anyway, on topic
This would be a bad idea, it should not be implemented. OP, didn't ur mommy tell you not to squad with strangers?0 -
@op
every system can be abused tho some less
fortunately, at higher lvls ppl who ran instances many times get well-mannered :P
no longer 'pick by order' and if there is then with some common sense (tank or cleric wont leave TT with stuff 2x or 3x more worth than DDs share), but mostly: equally share + sometimes some bonuses for barb if f.e. was charmed. Subber gets all mirages, cuz high lvl tt need 2-3 subs and if someone dont like that then he can sub next time :P
nirvana is always equall with usually random rapture, so u can just blame ur luck if you get less.
lunar there is still order, but those mats cost pretty much same money and gold is random, so still fair
ofc this can be abused too: banker selling gold tt mat for 1/2 or 2/3 market price and giving some bs explanations or same person who always call all gold mats to buy (u sell for less in squad).
still it s best way to do stuff imo, even better than Roses cause there is almost no space for any abuse (even among friends abuses happens, cuz -well- friends are just people b:chuckle ).BUILD EFFICIENCY CALCULATOR: pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1129681
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I love this...keep posting plz ^_^All my Goals in Life Turned to be Offside b:surrender
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im aware that i wrote about something totally different than OP, but i just let myself go with flow and felt like writing this all b:victory
hmm tho i could reply to OP at least i spose:
that magic box ur thinking about wouldnt work too well and would be abused much either by person who dont agree with share or just 'troll' that would be in mood to **** people.
and if then squad would be dismised or some person kicked, then equal divide of items by amount would be just bad, since one person would get 2 molds and other 2 dq items :P
there, fixedBUILD EFFICIENCY CALCULATOR: pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1129681
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Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »@op
every system can be abused tho some less
fortunately, at higher lvls ppl who ran instances many times get well-mannered :P
no longer 'pick by order' and if there is then with some common sense (tank or cleric wont leave TT with stuff 2x or 3x more worth than DDs share), but mostly: equally share + sometimes some bonuses for barb if f.e. was charmed. Subber gets all mirages, cuz high lvl tt need 2-3 subs and if someone dont like that then he can sub next time :P
nirvana is always equall with usually random rapture, so u can just blame ur luck if you get less.
lunar there is still order, but those mats cost pretty much same money and gold is random, so still fair
ofc this can be abused too: banker selling gold tt mat for 1/2 or 2/3 market price and giving some bs explanations or same person who always call all gold mats to buy (u sell for less in squad).
still it s best way to do stuff imo, even better than Roses cause there is almost no space for any abuse (even among friends abuses happens, cuz -well- friends are just people b:chuckle ).
b:chuckle Each TT I have to stop myself from the seductive idea of rebuying gold mats from squad for cheap then reselling for more b:chuckle Lol I'll play nice.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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