Do you think it's okay to beg for help with BH?

Kupuntu - Sanctuary · June 2010

I have seen plenty of cases like this. Pretty often you see someone saying "help me with BHXX" or "I need help with BHXX" etc. I don't like that. There are usually enough people on the BH platform to form at least one squad. I know some high levels like helping with BHs, but that doesn't happen so often you could ask for help constantly.

The other thing I don't like is asking for money. Everyone should work for their money (or CS it lol), not get it by begging. It sucks the most if someone starts PMing random faction members.

So, what do you think?

Asmodiel - Heavens Tear · June 2010

Easy: You either give in and be occupied for the next hour trying to finish the whole chain (which you will cuz you're so nice)

OR

You ignore them? Same for money beggers, which most likely end up on the blacklist (even guildies)

Katzyn - Sanctuary · June 2010

Sure, it's "okay". Everyone has the right to ask/beg/plead/etc for whatever.

HOWEVER, I'm generally not going to help. I've gotten through this game by relying on myself, and if needed, I'll ask for help with bosses, and wait til someone can help me in my faction, or I'll make a squad for it myself. As I've said in other threads, I don't like helping lower levels with their lower bh's, because that encourages them to rely on you, the higher level, and they don't really learn how to play their class and get things done themselves.

Begging for money....again, they can do it, but it annoys me, and I never give anyone money unless they're friends.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide · June 2010

Sure they can beg for help all they want, chances are they wont get it.

Every time I've been in secret passage I've had someone ask me to help them with BH29, usually around a dozen people over the course of an hour will ask me to help.

So far I've yet to help any of them.

Damewort - Sanctuary · June 2010

I agree... BH is a thing you should deal with your own levels, on your own.
Only exception when a friend or guildie is struggling to get the last member for a while and you see how he/she can't get it.

XylolyX - Heavens Tear · June 2010

Sureif they've got no pride...

Alyyy - Sanctuary · June 2010

well

ask..yes .... spam...no

Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear · June 2010

XylolyX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sureif they've got no pride...

I have no shame or pride, I beg for help all the time. I'm just kidding. But seriously I hate it when I get somewhere near the middle of Archosaur where the Bounty Hunter is and I see people asking for help. Maybe they're just bad at wording it, but they could try making their own squad when I see the next person also asking for the same BH. >_>; Gets really annoying and it basically spams my chat log. Hence I avoid the middle of Archosaur now when I can.

Telarith - Sanctuary · June 2010

I've long since learned to listen to what people mean, instead of what they say. So when people come on and instantly ask for BH help, what I hear is:

"Hi, I suck at playing my class, so no one is willing to do more than one BH with me before I get BLed. I could learn to play, but I'd rather be high level really quick so I can **** up other people's games in a birthday surprise kinda way. You seem like you might be stupid enough to help me thinking it's a one time deal, so how about you do all the work while I **** up repeatedly and waste more time dieing and returning to the instance. Oh, and here's a friends request."

As such, no , no real interest in doing someone's BH for them.

Fiery_Demon - Heavens Tear · June 2010

I think it's ok to ask once, but if the person says no, then it's a no, not a reason to start spamming them to get help. I help people with bh29 all the time, because it's easy for me to do and they can't find help easily. I know, because I try to do it with my archer every day, and sometimes it takes me half an hour to find anyone who is willing to help or needs it. You can't just think that someone's a noob and a fail when they ask for help <.< There are many people who are very nice and good at playing their class, they just can't solo everything at their level. I don't get people who have nothing better to do anyway (by that I mean, they aren't questing, doing BH for their own quest or already helping someone) but they won't help a much lower level person with something that would take them 10 mins to solo. I mean, is it really that hard to be helpful? What would you feel like if you were level 40 and no one wanted to help you with anything? But of course, when the person doesn't ask nicely and is rude, they don't deserve to be helped.

As for people who want coins, I just ignore them.

Daikataro - Dreamweaver · June 2010

Yes they have the right to beg for help as much as they want

And i have a just as valid right to just ignore them, pretend i'm AFK, or my personal favourite, inform them i'm going to pretend i'm AFK, don't annoy people!

I stopped helping people for a reason, you spend cash, time and effort helping them, then they die because they don't know how to stay back and blame it on you!

VlLKASS - Sanctuary · June 2010

Just ignore it.

What I usually do is say "Ok I help if you help with my 100bhs thats gona last over an hour after & will get you killed multiple times". With the beggars I start asking them for more than they are. After they usually stop asking.

BarbLord - Raging Tide · June 2010

every time you help an newbie with bh you make them more and more reliant on you and also when you cant help them or wont anymore you increase other peoples(like me) chances to get stuck in squads with people who dont know how to play in an instance result is squad wipes in bhs because you babied newbies im against help with bh by higher levels lower ones is fine though had a level 37 cleric solo heal me on trioc when i was level 58 lol
though note not only helping with bhs causes extremly clueless people TB quest chain and oracles and people who are just clueless because of their nature have their share as well

oh and people who beg for money are just annoying

Armsman - Archosaur · June 2010

People are welcome to beg as much as they want, doesn't mean that they'll be getting the help. I admit that I sometimes help faction members with BH29, because it's so fast...

That said, I think it's pretty understandable sometimes. Nothing sucks more than sitting around for an hour and blowing 300k on teles only to disband because you can't find a barb/cleric.

Nukesrus - Harshlands · June 2010

BH beggars get no sympathy from me as well. The only time I'll consider helping is if the person is about to ding and they have a squad ready to go and just need a cleric. Even then, it's sporadic and depends on what I'm doing at the time.

My official position is that members should do BH with randoms of their level for two reasons, and this is what I tell my guildies:

1: It's the best way to learn to adapt to situations and adjust. The best way to learn to cleric is to go on BH with randoms, hands down.

2: It's a good recruiting tool if you perform well in BH and builds a guild's reputation up.

Money beggars are a different story. I have 3 alts that I play regularly, including a mage and a cleric. I'm ALWAYS broke except when saving for gear. If I can deal with being poor without begging for coin, so can they.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear · June 2010

It's not just on BH but other things like helping killing x number of mob.
The problem is 0_o i am not even on their faction and never talk with them even if they was on my friend list.

And i am never asking people help (really ?), well usually i am only ask if they were on the spot where i need help.
Like if i have to kill gouf, rattus, krixix, manta, jewel, eye, and many other, if they already on spot helping their friend then i am going to ask for permission to join their squad. Other than that i am never asking anyone much much higher lv to help me.
(well there once but it because he offer help for my fail squad at bh 39 before)
You could say i am trying to solo instances like BH 29 on lv 40 with every class. (because it was a short instance)

It also very annoying when someone you just help leave squad without asking anything but then invite again for other help.
Or those who goes AFK follow when you help them kill mobs.
Maybe these was my ego . . but when someone ask me for help when i am almost never ask for help, it makes me feel funny . . b:surrender

Jennalicious - Sanctuary · June 2010

Begging for anything is just pathetic. People who beg are quickly added to my blacklist.

BryFoo - Raging Tide · June 2010

Fiery_Demon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I think it's ok to ask once, but if the person says no, then it's a no, not a reason to start spamming them to get help. I help people with bh29 all the time, because it's easy for me to do and they can't find help easily. I know, because I try to do it with my archer every day, and sometimes it takes me half an hour to find anyone who is willing to help or needs it. You can't just think that someone's a noob and a fail when they ask for help <.< There are many people who are very nice and good at playing their class, they just can't solo everything at their level. I don't get people who have nothing better to do anyway (by that I mean, they aren't questing, doing BH for their own quest or already helping someone) but they won't help a much lower level person with something that would take them 10 mins to solo. I mean, is it really that hard to be helpful? What would you feel like if you were level 40 and no one wanted to help you with anything? But of course, when the person doesn't ask nicely and is rude, they don't deserve to be helped.

As for people who want coins, I just ignore them.

b:pleased Agreed! Well said.

Chickpea - Lost City · June 2010

A certain type of people will always beg higher levels to do their BH since they're to lazy/dumb to organize their own parties. I mean asking someone to just do your daily BH in fb39/49 or what ever, its like if i would beg some random guy to fly me my entire WQ O_O

I normally dont respond to BH-beggars (or any type of leech proposals). No points even saying "no" or "learn to make your own parties" than they will never leave you alone.

I actually find it more annoying in guilds tho, when people just assume higher lvls (or guildies in general) should devote their entire day doing others BHs. If lower lvl players cant even learn to make their own parties with others that needs same instance, they will never learn to function in this game. You can help guildies to organize parties however if you're in a good mood, but not just doing it for them.

This MMO, specially endgame 99+ is very party/instance oriented and everyone is mainly in it for themselves and their own wealth/char (sadly). If people cant learn to organize parties to get their own stuff done, they will for ever be doomed to afk in Archo and complain over lack of help, than quit lol.

Quilue - Sanctuary · June 2010

aww i've been begging for Asterelle to get bigger **** for over a year now b:sad

and she just ignores me b:cry

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide · June 2010

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

aww i've been begging for Asterelle to get bigger **** for over a year now b:sad

and she just ignores me b:cry

Ikr?

/10char

Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »

I've long since learned to listen to what people mean, instead of what they say. So when people come on and instantly ask for BH help, what I hear is:

"Hi, I suck at playing my class, so no one is willing to do more than one BH with me before I get BLed. I could learn to play, but I'd rather be high level really quick so I can **** up other people's games in a birthday surprise kinda way. You seem like you might be stupid enough to help me thinking it's a one time deal, so how about you do all the work while I **** up repeatedly and waste more time dieing and returning to the instance. Oh, and here's a friends request."

As such, no , no real interest in doing someone's BH for them.

This was just brilliant .

+ over 9000

Telarith - Sanctuary · June 2010

Fiery_Demon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

There are many people who are very nice and good at playing their class, they just can't solo everything at their level. What would you feel like if you were level 40 and no one wanted to help you with anything?

You only read the surface of what I wrote, you didn't look into it I guess.

If you are on at the same time usually, you'll find similar people after a while. If they are good, they can easily friends list them and start getting them done on a more regular basis. If they suck, they tend to be BLed and can expect a smaller choice for party possibilities. There are lower level factions that can be joined, and it's as simple as talking to someone questing in the same area and joining up. There are many ways they can get together a group for going in there. They don't need a full 6 man party to do it either.

Also, BHs are not doing an instance of their level, except for 100ers. They are doing something below their level. It was possible to do BH29 without a barb tank, and was actually preferred when people actually did instances of level. By not knowing what they are capable of doing without the typical barb-tank, cleric-heal neanderthal approach, they are bad at their class. And they won't learn, if they don't take the chance. They also won't learn if they are given a way to not need to take the chance.

As for my main and alts, never really was an issue honestly. If there wasn't someone around to help, either tried finding tricks to soloing it, or would just out-level it and come back. Since BH is already an outleveled thing, really kinda falls under that category.

For helping I do sometimes do things when I'm bored with nothing to do, but I vastly prefer teaching people how to do it themselves. I give build advice, tricks, strategies, and all kinds of ideas to anyone who asks for it that shows they are putting some effort into the game. I'll take an hour or two out to explain something, and demonstrate it repeatedly, until they get the concept down and can do it perfectly. Because these people are worth the time, and it's alot more fulfilling than contributing to the stupid creep.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear · June 2010

What annoys me (cases could overlap):

- Beggars that request help but every minute is bound to make me grant them a special place... in my blacklisting data;

- People that flood (called spam by others), which is worse.

- People that ask for powerleveling and make fake promises for it ('I'll pay you X coins if you level me to that level').

- People that can't type clearly. And no, I am not intolerant to foreigners (English is not my native language), but hey! Everyone can have the time to type 'hello, can you revive me please at [location] rather than 'rev plz???')

As for BHs, requesting teammates is okay, being obnoxious about it is not.

I don't QQ usually, but I could not resist doing it here. Thanks for reading my rant. b:thanks

Borsuc - Raging Tide · June 2010

I hate more the "silent noob" types. And it's not that they don't know english since when asking for help they seem to be proficient usually. When I ask them questions I need like 1 minute before I get a reply from them, and even when I am in their squad wanting to help them. Or they go afk.

I dunno why some people think high levels have so much free time on their hands in comparison or have no BHs to do or whatever.

Not to mention the ones asking for help with normal quests, just "to speed things up" (NO other reason whatsoever, like someone kill-stealing from them). Hey, it's not like I wouldn't like my quests sped up right? But I would never do that by leeching off someone else's time unless they are bored already and they insist on wanting to help me out of boredom or whatever else.

I mean I can understand help with uninstanced bosses where it's usually hard to find people... but seriously.

XylolyX - Heavens Tear · June 2010

With regard to helping with quest mobs...

I refuse to do it. Some of my best in-game friends I've made during questing. There's friends that I leveled from my 40's to my 80's with... If you refuse to squad with people of your own level for quests, or make demands of "free drops' only and such, but then ask higher levels (or beg them) for help, you won't get very far on your own.

I did most of my quests with either just myself or one other person. It was fun. I didn't beg for any help. There shouldn't be a rush to get to 100, slow down and enjoy the ride.

WnbTank - Archosaur · June 2010

With new Nien beast event I`m getting spammed, before every freaking event "buffs plz!!". I`ve given buffs before, I don`t mind buffing few squads, but it`s gotten out of hand as ppl tend to notice "9x barb, must have maxed buffs, let`s spam him!". I still try to buff guildies, but not outsiders, for reason being I`m totally flooded with spam(Actually counted 3 pms and 2 invites[with no pm] inside 1min). I used to buff few ppl before event outside faction, but that was when I didn`t get spammed constantly so now I`ve had to draw line somewhere. And no, I haven`t even told ppl I have buffed anybody.

The thing that annoys me most is that ppl just randomly pm that irritating sentence or just throw invite and if you don`t accept it, pm "buffs plzzz111!!!1". I don`t answer them, hell, I would need hour to answer everbody and there is this 1 psy who can`t quite understand that he is not getting a buff. I could BL them put isn`t there a limit of 100? If so, I`d need BL extension stone at some point. But I try to live few more events before I start to BL ppl, maybe my no buffs tolerance helps me a bit, though I doubt it.

But I don`t help unless it`s actually situation you need help, like bosses krimson, jewels and all the funny dudes. BHs, questing, etc I say no. Whole reason I don`t help too much is the spam I get even if I don`t help. Nice to get QQd for not leaving FC to help somebody do some quest/Getting QQd about failed quest cause I didn`t tele to buff but told to come to me for buffs/etc.

Ps. It`s not easy to be barb these days, I need secretary for my pms, any takers?

Black_wolve - Sanctuary · June 2010

Iam a high level lv 100 barb i have helped with bh many time's but it get's to the point when they depend on me all the time i cant do it all the time i have a life out side of the game to.

And as far as my bh's it's even hard to get help doing them because some cleric's injoy blaming barbs for not keeping argo or not doing there job.

Where some cleric's think there the master of all class that's a fact so a lot of us high level's gave up on bh's all together there's no sense in doing a bh then getting yelled at .

Every class has there own skills use them dont worry about how other's should be using there skill's uness you think your god or a king and controll them.

When i started pwi i did it with out help most of the time there was no such thing as a bh or even a marriage quest i learn at that time it was best to do thing's on me own not rely on other's unless there was a boss and if there was a squad doing same boss.

Longknife - Harshlands · June 2010

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

So, what do you think?

To me it's the same as if someone asks for help killing mobs.

"Can you help me kill Werewolf Spearmen?" Dude wtf that's a mob. You're asking me to come all the way out there to help you kill something you're perfectly capable of killing yourself.

With a BH, they're perfectly capable of finding a party. If they don't find one one day, then too bad. Not like they won't have another chance.

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear · June 2010

While I do find it annoying, it can be fun to revisit instances you haven't done in a long time

VlLKASS - Sanctuary · June 2010

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

To me it's the same as if someone asks for help killing mobs.

"Can you help me kill Werewolf Spearmen?" Dude wtf that's a mob. You're asking me to come all the way out there to help you kill something you're perfectly capable of killing yourself.

With a BH, they're perfectly capable of finding a party. If they don't find one one day, then too bad. Not like they won't have another chance.

Lol.. that's why I hate adding low lvl ppl to FL... but some time ago one was asking really badly, so I did lol... After an hour or so he start spamming me.
Him: "I need Help!!!"
Me: *busy in tt* Um... help with what?...
Him I need help come!
Me: I don't understand... wth do you need help with...
-After about 5 minutes of the above-
Me: "Do you need to kill a boss.... ? What does your quest say... ?"
Him: "I need centepeds"
Me: "Dude... Those are normal mobs... You can do it yourself... Everyone does... I ain't helping ya."
Him: "No! Come help now!"
-Ad to BL.

-.- I mean seriously...

Rawrgh - Raging Tide · June 2010

That's what I don't get, they ALWAYS take so long to reply when you ask what it is they want. Last night I get spammed with squad invites non stop. So I pm the person:

"what do you want"

2 minutes later:

"help"

"With what?"

5 minutes later:

"with Qingzi"

Like it takes them no time to keep spamming you but the minute you ask what it is they want they take at least 5 minutes to reply.

Do you think it's okay to beg for help with BH?

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