Assassins OP? lol i think not.

Niteshadows - Lost City
Niteshadows - Lost City Posts: 3 Arc User
edited June 2010 in Blademaster
i really find it hard to believe that our little fish friends r what people say they r. sins r not op, and if they were why have i yet to lose to one? yes i use my genie what of it? doesn't everyone. and btw i use weapons made by blacksmith and i wear sharded armor with two sockets. both sockets contain common garnet shards. got it from a mob drop.b:laugh
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Niteshadows - Lost City wrote: »
    i really find it hard to believe that our little fish friends r what people say they r. sins r not op, and if they were why have i yet to lose to one? yes i use my genie what of it? doesn't everyone. and btw i use weapons made by blacksmith and i wear sharded armor with two sockets. both sockets contain common garnet shards. got it from a mob drop.b:laugh

    your either a obvious troll or a yulk clone

    also at 89+ 3 spark in stealth inner harmony head hunt lolwthdead on anyone not iin HA

    thankfully bm's can tank em AD cyclone cancle DB > kill at 2.22 APS at that same lvl

    but ya anyone without long stuns HA like def and 100% acc (maq) or at least hgih acc (bm's) is instadead

    at your lvl...well you cant even enter pk mode yet
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Ranfa - Dreamweaver
    Ranfa - Dreamweaver Posts: 382 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Rib Strike (50% attack rate reduction), Focused Mind (25% skill evasion), Tidal Protection (50% debuff evasion), Inner Harmony/Rising Dragon Strike (insta sparks), Throatcut (4 second Seal), stealth, emergency stealth, massive increase in crit damage + rate, decent attack speed on top of the 79 skill which adds wonderful 50% water element damage to their attacks, way of raising middle finger against HAs. And for AA/LA users, there are the gracious stun teleport, immobilization, and high spike stun skill, capable of crippling unprepared targets before they could even make their first move.

    Meh, while I don't agree with them being OP, I can understand what people are concerned about.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    As a BM the real problem is them catching you completely off guard. That's when I usually die. If I don't have time to immune pot or absolute domain, I'm usually dead if the sin is well geared. If I'm expecting it? They don't stand a chance. That's the whole thing... they triple, jump out of stealth and you have to react very quickly.
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  • Lucifer - Dreamweaver
    Lucifer - Dreamweaver Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    yup, the invis makes them OP as every1 says. Even if they catch u off guard u still have a chance. The stun dont last forever and hopefully u have apoth and a charm (if u dont have a charm u really shouldnt pk). But yea usually u die once they triple spark in stealth and pop out and kill u. But what also kills is the rib strike (as stated above) one thing forgotten tho is when they do that demon/sage spark purifys u sooo once they hit rib strike and u spark sin=cooked fish stick. So 1vs1 its tough, but a Bm has the better chance.
  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    You only need to demon spark, come out of stealth, stun the enemy, whack away with 5 aps and the enemy is dead before the stun wears out. Yeah, not OP at all.
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  • Atropah - Sanctuary
    Atropah - Sanctuary Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Unless your avatar has not updated then you shouldn't be posting. Lvl 19?

    BMs are somewhat the anti-Sin. We have antistun and great pdef. We attack as fast as they do. We can stun lock them and take advantage of our larger hp pool and their lower defense. Many of us have high enough dex to hit the avading little buggers too.

    But they have better growth per level than we do, and end game they kick butt. Specially as their damage, accuracy, and crit rate combine to make blood paint rather god like. How do you kill something that heals faster than you can kill it, and has a first hit advantage?
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Atropah - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Unless your avatar has not updated then you shouldn't be posting. Lvl 19?

    BMs are somewhat the anti-Sin. We have antistun and great pdef. We attack as fast as they do. We can stun lock them and take advantage of our larger hp pool and their lower defense. Many of us have high enough dex to hit the avading little buggers too.

    But they have better growth per level than we do, and end game they kick butt. Specially as their damage, accuracy, and crit rate combine to make blood paint rather god like. How do you kill something that heals faster than you can kill it, and has a first hit advantage?

    ocoult ice at the end of head hunts stun hit em to 51% cyclonecancle>GS cancle>bash>7.5 seconds of 4-5 APS depending on your gear and autocrit for the cost of 1 spark
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ocoult ice at the end of head hunts stun hit em to 51% cyclonecancle>GS cancle>bash>7.5 seconds of 4-5 APS depending on your gear and autocrit for the cost of 1 spark

    The sin can just Expel you or themselves for the duration of that stun then force stealth the second Expel or the stun wears off, depending on who they used Expel on. Or they can use AD during the last few seconds of the stun, allowing them to force stealth as well. Or they can just stun you, get chi, and counter attack.

    Sins are overpowered, no matter what they fight. It's very rare to find one that knows how to play the class because they can so easily kill in PvP. In a few weeks or so, when we get sins that know what the hell they're doing and don't rely on Stealth+Spark to wtfninjapwn someone they're going to be even harder to bring down. They don't even need stealth. They can survive a kill shot, they can evade ALL damage, they can evade status effects, and they can make it so the melee class hits far slower than them even if both are -int users. Combine that with the ability to get a massive amount of chi in under 10 seconds and getting HP back per hit and yeah... OP as hell.
  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Just remember for next year, a sin can hit 5 APS with warsoul fists; we can't.
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  • Lucifer - Dreamweaver
    Lucifer - Dreamweaver Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    As stated they are majorly OP. Basically u have to have a genie that gets rid of stuns/sleep. Once a sin sleeps u or stuns out of stealth hit that skill (forgot what it was). Cyclone heel (for a BM) the sin will prob use rib strike to slow attack speed, then Demon spark for purify along with immunity to stun skill, (will of Bodishotva) or whatever. Then rap sin. You can kill a sin if u can react quickly, then OPness goes down.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Lucifer - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    As stated they are majorly OP. Basically u have to have a genie that gets rid of stuns/sleep. Once a sin sleeps u or stuns out of stealth hit that skill (forgot what it was). Cyclone heel (for a BM) the sin will prob use rib strike to slow attack speed, then Demon spark for purify along with immunity to stun skill, (will of Bodishotva) or whatever. Then rap sin. You can kill a sin if u can react quickly, then OPness goes down.

    Absolute domain or a 6 sec immunity pot will break their stun chain and let you attack/kill them rather easily.
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Niteshadows - Lost City wrote: »
    i really find it hard to believe that our little fish friends r what people say they r. sins r not op, and if they were why have i yet to lose to one? yes i use my genie what of it? doesn't everyone. and btw i use weapons made by blacksmith and i wear sharded armor with two sockets. both sockets contain common garnet shards. got it from a mob drop.b:laugh

    People thought I said sins are overpowered, obviously not, OFC assassins would literally be the last classes to squad with ofc when you dunno them. They will steal aggro and bye bye little tuna fesh b:surrender

    In PVP, as a BM, Stun lock > stealth
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  • Kaloissa - Archosaur
    Kaloissa - Archosaur Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    i lol everytime i see yulk post b:chuckle

    anyways, i think its quite funny to picture a little fishy jumping at a barb or BM with his little toothpicks, bouncing off and stealthing away to cry in the corner, but thats besides the point. the single most OP thing sins have in they can stealth> spark > sodomize you > shadow escape > inner harmony (guys back to 3 sparks) > then sodomize again if your not dead. to a robe like me sins are the thing that keeps me from going into PvP, every other class is laughable if i have chi, but these guys can kill you with no warning as to where they are. course i have psychics will but they'll stun/sleep me before i can use it while they come out of stealth and make fillet o' fish outta me. so to BMs their not that big of a deal, barbs neither (blood bath ftw) but robes are the ones suffering here
  • Kniraven - Lost City
    Kniraven - Lost City Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You only need to demon spark, come out of stealth, stun the enemy, whack away with 5 aps and the enemy is dead before the stun wears out. Yeah, not OP at all.

    Do sins get 5atk/sec? I haven't seen it ._.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »
    Do sins get 5atk/sec? I haven't seen it ._.

    FireyDevil's sin is 5.0 with Nirvana daggers, rank top, etc...
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  • Kniraven - Lost City
    Kniraven - Lost City Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ab495e3d8a1ea439

    what am I missing? ._. can't achieve 5atk/sec without 4 atk/sec natural. If he switched to fist/claw he could.

    edit: calc is being ****, just switch it to a sin at the top if that bothers you. Whenever i save a sin calc it comes out BM
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ab495e3d8a1ea439

    what am I missing? ._. can't achieve 5atk/sec without 4 atk/sec natural. If he switched to fist/claw he could.

    edit: calc is being ****, just switch it to a sin at the top if that bothers you. Whenever i save a sin calc it comes out BM

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=85f023e1a7b29a5e That has 4 aps natural. You forgot the Rank 8 top that has -0.10 int.
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  • Ryuuzak - Dreamweaver
    Ryuuzak - Dreamweaver Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Fear my daggers.
  • Combatte - Dreamweaver
    Combatte - Dreamweaver Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Ryuuzak - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Fear my daggers.
    Lol
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