People that say *thy know what thy doing*

Icebender - Lost City
Icebender - Lost City Posts: 26 Arc User
edited June 2010 in General Discussion
I hate it when people say *thy know what thy doing* when a player trying to tell them what to do.

lets take a frost run normally its only 1 cleric 1 barb and the rest dd's mostly
How do the cleric/barb know whats right and whats wrong, good or bad when
thy are the only one normally in the squad and don't see other cleric's/barb's
doing runs.

I must say i play as a cleric and a lv94 sin and i have been doing lots of frost runs
and been in good/bad squads ranging from 80min(Pro) full run to 180min(Fail)

When people try and guide some of the players you can see are a total fail
and thy replay (don't tel me what to do), makes me so pissed and want to kick
them from the squad and pk there fail **** so bad!!b:angry

I must say playing as my cleric doing frost runs i take any tips people give me and
by this doing better every run.

Playing a sin seeing what thy do and taking the skill's from other players back to my cleric
is the only why you can learn really.

The other why is to do what people tell you to do and if you know a better way tell them
what is ur better way. Don't go and say: don't tel me what to do. Ill **** ur **** if i see you say it.

I know of some players that was a total fail and i was like OMG not that barb and did a 2ed run with him and he was totally pro in what he was doing and added him to my fl
and made him my barb bitc.... that i do runs with.


Feel free to add ur story and how you see it from a cleric/barb view some players only
have a barb/cleric as there main
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    What is this I don't even
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  • Hypnos - Raging Tide
    Hypnos - Raging Tide Posts: 1,235 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    thee, thine, thou, art, hart, ye <=why don't you use them too? more confusion ;o
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  • Minkis - Lost City
    Minkis - Lost City Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    English is my 2ed languish sorry for that
  • SerenityMare - Dreamweaver
    SerenityMare - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,211 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Hypnos - Raging Tide wrote: »
    thee, thine, thou, art, hart, ye <=why don't you use them too? more confusion ;o

    b:chuckle

    I seriously thought this was a mock thread when I read the title xD
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  • XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary
    XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary Posts: 683 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    omfg ice, i know what the heck im doing stop bothering me about it.
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  • Icebender - Lost City
    Icebender - Lost City Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »
    omfg ice, i know what the heck im doing stop bothering me about it.

    venos that aoe seal so that the bm cant aoe stun b:cry
  • Ewen - Harshlands
    Ewen - Harshlands Posts: 96 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Telling someone what to do is always risky. Some people get hurt by it and take it as you're considering them as stubid, noobish players who don't know what to do. I'm this type of person, I hate being told what to do.

    After 30-40 FC runs I know how to keep people alive, theres not much to improve since most of the times the whole squad stays alive, of course occasional mistakes (Not only the clerics but also barbs and all other squad members), lags and sometimes even tiredness leads to deaths. If somebody gets killed by my mistake/lags after doing that part of the FC correctly 30+ times and somebody then tells me "what to do", I might just say "Sorry my bad." But if this person keeps continously advising me after this occasional mistake, I get irritated. Clerics do easily get blame from even barbs or BMs mistakes, and being guided after their mistakes is even more annoying.

    It's great that you think that all guidance made by others is nice and you try to do what they say to improve your tactics. I however tend to think that some occasional player, who might have never played cleric tells me what to do, my tactic is obviously better, since I've developed it for 30-40 runs. However its good that you don't think this way since you get a chance to improve your tactic by listening others. b:victory
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  • Nakhimov - Lost City
    Nakhimov - Lost City Posts: 1,829 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Don't tell me what to do unless you know what you're talking about. You wouldn't believe the number of idiots who tell me how to do my job despite the fact I'm doing it right.
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  • Ewen - Harshlands
    Ewen - Harshlands Posts: 96 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »
    Don't tell me what to do unless you know what you're talking about. You wouldn't believe the number of idiots who tell me how to do my job despite the fact I'm doing it right.

    Exactly this is what I meant in my longish post :p Its annoying to hear tips from people who don't know what they're talking about.
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  • Icebender - Lost City
    Icebender - Lost City Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »
    Don't tell me what to do unless you know what you're talking about. You wouldn't believe the number of idiots who tell me how to do my job despite the fact I'm doing it right.

    Go clean you room!!!

    i must say if its a pro squad and thy all know what thy are doing 90+ squads
    getting a wiz or archer is a wasted of time. when barbs pull the mobs me as a sin and bm buddy run up to the barb with all his mobs, bm stun dragon and aoe the **** out of them
    (bm and me *sin* got bramble rage) the mobs die be for the archer or wiz gets to use and set up a aoe or zhen even the cleric dont set up bb.

    so best squad to have is interval junkies, got my sin at 2.5 with demon spark to kill the bosses as fast as you can
  • XylolyX - Heavens Tear
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I wonder what everyone who remembers FF before it was nerfed thinks about this... b:laugh

    But seriously, communication in a squad is the single most important element... I squad with a few people and we've done certain runs so many times that we know what to expect from each other.

    If there's a new person involved, we will communicate what we're doing. I figure that by lvl 9X most people know how to play their toons. (I've been wrong on a few occasions, I'll admit.) So I won't tell people how to play, but I will ask them to adjust their gameplay if they're NOT doing things well.

    To me PWI is about fun, and yes there's going to be times where I die...I'd rather avoid it but it happens and me getting upset about it isn't going to change the fact that it happened. So just move on and make a mental note not to squad with the offending squad member again.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    hai there Icebender.
    ^.^
    you mean these kind of people?
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  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »
    Don't tell me what to do unless you know what you're talking about. You wouldn't believe the number of idiots who tell me how to do my job despite the fact I'm doing it right.

    I'll tell you what to do Nak b:cute
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I wonder what everyone who remembers FF before it was nerfed thinks about this...b:mischievous

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  • Nakhimov - Lost City
    Nakhimov - Lost City Posts: 1,829 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »
    I'll tell you what to do Nak b:cute

    You can boss me around anytime b:dirty
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  • XxLady_XelxX - Dreamweaver
    XxLady_XelxX - Dreamweaver Posts: 455 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Psh. I don't need YOUR help to know what I'm doing!

    *Faceplants into boss*

    ...I meant to do that. b:angry
  • Icebender - Lost City
    Icebender - Lost City Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    hai there Icebender.
    ^.^
    you mean these kind of people?
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  • Aislaria - Heavens Tear
    Aislaria - Heavens Tear Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Icebender - Lost City wrote: »
    Go clean you room!!!

    i must say if its a pro squad and thy all know what thy are doing 90+ squads
    getting a wiz or archer is a wasted of time. when barbs pull the mobs me as a sin and bm buddy run up to the barb with all his mobs, bm stun dragon and aoe the **** out of them
    (bm and me *sin* got bramble rage) the mobs die be for the archer or wiz gets to use and set up a aoe or zhen even the cleric dont set up bb.

    suresure. thing is, while you and bm buddy are 'running up' to the mobs to att, don't forget archer & wiz dont need to spend the time running up and can just attack outright.

    not tellin you what to do, just one thing i've learned over time is to never ever discount a class.
  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Aislaria - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    suresure. thing is, while you and bm buddy are 'running up' to the mobs to att, don't forget archer & wiz dont need to spend the time running up and can just attack outright.

    not tellin you what to do, just one thing i've learned over time is to never ever discount a class.

    As long as the archer doesn't do something stupid, like STA a boss/mob group to drop the health in the beginning, no real issue against them. But when you run the FCC and get so many who don't know why not to, or the geniuses who say losing the xp doesn't matter, I'd rather go without them. Reducing xp on a run meant solo xp, truly, they are the type to wipe first.
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    FB 89 Brimstone at Fats. Was told to lure just Fats 2x by Barb after I stated we needed roamer first. So ok, I lure Fats as a Ranger is headed toward us. Does Barb take aggro? -No. I was lucky enough to reset boss. Some people don't know what they're doing, and this isn't the only time I've been told what to do by some n00b that had no clue. -Because of things like this, you can't expect people to take orders on the spot without question.
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  • Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide
    Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide Posts: 770 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Aislaria - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    suresure. thing is, while you and bm buddy are 'running up' to the mobs to att, don't forget archer & wiz dont need to spend the time running up and can just attack outright.

    not tellin you what to do, just one thing i've learned over time is to never ever discount a class.


    shouldn't discount a class, also shouldn't alienate any other class just because "u not needed in me pro fc squad"...

    Maybe if people poked their head's out of places like FC and tried other instances like delta you would quickly understand and appreciate that having a diverse squad is preferable to a couple -interval toons to rush that same old boss for the 10000th time today.

    b:shutup

    edit: and also more on topic, Fuzzy gets a laugh out of those posts that say they have learned what to do by running FF 20-30x... there is a big difference between knowing the repetitive sequence of 1 instance and actually knowing how to play you toon.
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  • Esnemyl - Dreamweaver
    Esnemyl - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,079 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    i know this is going slightly off topic, but ive seen classes play differently, and some people think their "doin it wrong"

    We had a lvl76 veno join my freinds FB59 (i was helping since we were doing a double fb, i took the tokens while he got the bosses on one run, and vice versa the 2nd time), when she told everyone that she was a mellee user, the whole squad
    (excluding me and my mate) got pretty much ticked off and told me to kick her, which unfortunately i had to after a protest.

    Dont get me wrong, but ive known some really good axe venos out there, and people who do things diffrently should be given a chance.

    ...unless they be oracle noobs, we once had a 86 barb in our recent BH51 who didnt know how to tank and was wearing LA O_O
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  • LifeHunting - Heavens Tear
    LifeHunting - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Only time I comment on what another player is doing, is if i look at them and they are either:


    - Standing there doing nothing
    - Their gear is very off (seen a HA wizard before.....x.x)
    - No weapon is seen
    - they are not speaking


    if one of those things happen, i'll yell in chat for them to hurry up and help out.





    But, those are also the reason's i love that i'm able to solo bosses and quests w/o trouble b:chuckle
  • Engeli - Sanctuary
    Engeli - Sanctuary Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    i might not be doing FCCs (yet) hehe. But i myself experience, as a cleric, people who tells me what to do. But that has been because, i'm doing something for the first time. fx like gamma. So i kinda enjoy them telling me what to do. Also i tend to ask people for how they want me to heal, cause i dont wanna be that stupid cleric who didn't do this and that ;P

    In My experiences people have always told me in a kind way how to do things if i messed up. or told me in a kind way how to do if i asked. Telling people what to do in a respectfull manner will, i think, get more people to listen.

    but i do think i would boot someone IF they said "not listening!" for the 5th time in a row. b:surrender
  • Slivaf - Dreamweaver
    Slivaf - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,106 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    As others have more or less said... I would much rather be getting advice, and be told that this is why I want YOU to do it, then to just say bm is suppose to do this... or that, and not explain what that bm is supposed to do, or even why.

    I can understand wanting to be helpful, but people seem to go overboard when they give others instructions almost like setting the fuel for the fire so to speak, some people do easily get offended, especially veteran players, sure they may not understand how something is done, but they do know there character well. Though to expect ANYONE not to make a mistake, is just well... preposterous... err insanity... I can understand getting annoyed about it, but to hold it against them like its the end of the world, and to act like that it is because they don't know what there class is to do, is well... the real problem imo.

    Bah not so sure what I am trying to say. =X

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  • frosty0908
    frosty0908 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I can fully understand why people can get annoyed with being told what to do in squads and it's not something that is soley related to this game but many diffrent aspects of life.

    We all like to think we have a purpose and we all like to think we are good at what we do in effect we think we are king of our castles nothing wrong with this it's what causes alot of success in life as well as being some peoples downfalls. I find if I have a suggestion for someone pming them seems to work alot better that just shouting it out in a squad you are not backing that person in to a corner in public and making them feel small or unable to do there job when someone feels like your challenging them they will go in to defence mode there is constructive critisism and then theres just the "Know it all" comments ask your self if you can help someone without making them look small in squad chat.

    And also what makes what you are doing the right way?...Why cant the other players way work to?... I mean thats how he is used to playing we all have diffrent styles just because your way is effective does not mean his is not either.

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