End-Game rate please?

Mitties - Dreamweaver · May 2010

Okay, so I got bored and started pondering what my end-game gear will be. I decided to set a bit of a lofty goal, so tell me what you think of this. Suggestions and all.

EDIT: I added the Attack and Defense set bonuses on the rings, just to account for them. Each ring provides an additional +2 bonus. http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=f0e18ffa7294799c

axt57 · May 2010

You sure do love thinking ahead....

If you want a good endgame LA build, you must build crit to at least over 35%+ to make the build worthwhile. Otherwise there are better, more cost-efficient builds.

tweakz · May 2010

Noticed there are much better tomes available.

LinkAway - Sanctuary · May 2010

If you wanna do that kind of build, dont forgot the refines and shards LOL

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=c30cc277d992b672
Isnt it better ? I hope you're BIll Gates though.

Mitties - Dreamweaver · May 2010

LinkAway - Sanctuary wrote: »

If you wanna do that kind of build, dont forgot the refines and shards LOL

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=c30cc277d992b672
Isnt it better ? I hope you're BIll Gates though.

Short answer, no, it is not better.

Where should I start.....

Do you have any idea what you're doing? I mean, no offense, but I'm not so rich I can afford the upgrade everything to +12 with Level 10 shards. And did you seriously suggest a Warsoul weapon? I mean, I'll grant you, that would be awesome. I would love it, but it's just a pipe dream. Also, those rings to not provide that much +crit, they provide an Attack Level bonus. Though, I'll admit, I can probably get a better tome, I'll fix that.

I set the shards and refines to something I could manage, and realized your setup sucks. It may provide a 2% Crit Bonus, if that, but at the expense of 1500 Magic Attack. Your hat and cape suck. The pants and boots may be a little better, but remember this: considering I'm using the entire Shadow Ashura set, I get a +5 Attack Level bonus and +13 Defense Level bonus, which trumps any minor bonuses your set provides.

If you're going to rate my set, please know what you're doing first.

EDIT: I added the Attack and Defense set bonuses on the rings, just to account for them. Each ring provides an additional +2 bonus. http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=2d96048553d843c0

/NiKi - Lost City · May 2010

even with mirages only u can get better then +2..
+3 easy,+4 if u have a bit more mirages isnt hard to get either.
but damn,thats a low hp and pdef,so i am guessing ur LA cuz of critic?i dont cs either,my gear is mostly +3 or +4 lol,but i still have much better hp and pdef as arcane b:surrender

Mitties - Dreamweaver · May 2010

Well, okay, I'll admit, I could use a bit more PDef. I'm mostly using that full set because it provides a +13 Defense Bonus, meaning I take 13% less damage from any incoming attack. Are you suggesting the additional PDef is worth losing that bonus?

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=8f6a8dc7816f2dad

Toad - Lost City · May 2010

Lol well if u can afford to get nirvana, u better refine them **** to +7 and put in at least perfect shards or higher. b:surrender And as for your ornaments i would suggest pdef ones because no matter how much more magic def u add up, you will still get one shot by mages cuz of your low hp. Lastly, i duno whats your obsession with crit is but if you wanted to play a character with high crit, i would suggest playing an archer insteadb:shutup

Shifong - Heavens Tear · May 2010

You're so incredibly easy to kill. Why bother going LA if you can't build something that can actually survive (yes even with that def bonus you're still easy to kill). And i also agree with the crits. If you have a weaksauce build, atleast make up for it with some crits.

As for being rich or not, You got any idea how much it would cost to get all the nirvana gear? Yet you can't refine up to +5 or higher? Not to mention, 4 sockets has only a 10% chance to get on armor. And if all your nirvana gear gets 3 sockets, you will need to use 96000 socket stones to get them all 4 sockets. We're talking here about 1 billion coin just for sockets...

Honestly i think you should be asking yourself what you're doing.

Mitties - Dreamweaver · May 2010

Toad - Lost City wrote: »

Lol well if u can afford to get nirvana, u better refine them **** to +7 and put in at least perfect shards or higher. b:surrender And as for your ornaments i would suggest pdef ones because no matter how much more magic def u add up, you will still get one shot by mages cuz of your low hp. Lastly, i duno whats your obsession with crit is but if you wanted to play a character with high crit, i would suggest playing an archer insteadb:shutup

Well, +crit is the main reason to go LA, isn't it? Just saying.

Shifong - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You're so incredibly easy to kill. Why bother going LA if you can't build something that can actually survive (yes even with that def bonus you're still easy to kill). And i also agree with the crits. If you have a weaksauce build, atleast make up for it with some crits.

As for being rich or not, You got any idea how much it would cost to get all the nirvana gear? Yet you can't refine up to +5 or higher? Not to mention, 4 sockets has only a 10% chance to get on armor. And if all your nirvana gear gets 3 sockets, you will need to use 96000 socket stones to get them all 4 sockets. We're talking here about 1 billion coin just for sockets...

Honestly i think you should be asking yourself what you're doing.

Well, I've got a 25% Crit with genie skills, that's pretty good, right? I don't need socket stones for the Nirvana gear, I can just reforge it, right?

So how would you recommend I become more survivable? Keep in mind I only take 74% damage from any source thanks to the Nirvana set bonus.

Also, yes, I'm aware how much effort it will take to get the items. Just takes a ton of good old-fashioned grinding is all. ^_^

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear · May 2010

No, it's not a good but it's certainly a good start. By the time you're 90+ I'm sure you'll know everything about it.

Toad - Lost City · May 2010

Mitties - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Well, +crit is the main reason to go LA, isn't it? Just saying.

Lol... no. The main reason to go LA is the decent survivability and decent hp from refining your armor. You wont have too low pdef like arcane and get little hp from refines so you can focus on hp shards as LA.With heavy armor, you have too low magic def so there is your weakness. So that is the main reason to go LA, definitely not for the crit. Crit is just a bonus to have.

Mitties - Dreamweaver · May 2010

Ah, okay. I've been getting conflicting information. @_@

Yulk - Heavens Tear · May 2010

Toad - Lost City wrote: »

Lol... no. The main reason to go LA is the decent survivability and decent hp from refining your armor. You wont have too low pdef like arcane and get little hp from refines so you can focus on hp shards as LA.With heavy armor, you have too low magic def so there is your weakness. So that is the main reason to go LA, definitely not for the crit. Crit is just a bonus to have.

You sir have posted it right b:thanks

with little bits of DEX (or accuracy) helps Veno a lot with not only using fox form, but also higher chance of critical rate. They are able to use both forms while having great physical defense.

HA veno is the fail veno, low magic defense, low magic attack, and depends on heavy HEAVY refines. The only thing HA veno is only good for... PVPing non-elemental melee attacks b:laugh

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear · May 2010

You're a joke..

Rude i know but hey.. :P

If you're gonna go FULL nirvana..with rings I've never even heard of..do they exist? then at least get better refines and shards..

Mitties - Dreamweaver · May 2010

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You're a joke..

Rude i know but hey.. :P

If you're gonna go FULL nirvana..with rings I've never even heard of..do they exist? then at least get better refines and shards..

Gee, thank you so much for the constructive feedback. >_>

This is the best I can do for free. I can get the mats for the gear just by grinding, and I can buy enough gold for the 3-star orbs and some decent shards. If you have a better idea, please advise me.

And before you advise I spend a hundred bucks on the game, please see my sig.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver · May 2010

Cheaper to get to +3 (or even higher) with current gold prices with just mirages (see Warren Wolfy's stickied thread in the Crafting Nook.)

Shifong - Heavens Tear · May 2010

Mitties - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This is the best I can do for free. I can get the mats for the gear just by grinding, and I can buy enough gold for the 3-star orbs and some decent shards. If you have a better idea, please advise me.

What is your highest level character? I wonder if you got any clue how many uncanny's and raptures you need for all that gear.

Just for first grade armor you need 600 uncanny's. That's around 315m coin with current market. And no, you can't reforge your armor at 1st grade. Can only do this with 2nd grade nirvana, and reforging costs you 7 uncanny's i believe. And if you want to make armor all 2nd grade it's going to cost you around 1.3 billion coin if you buy all uncanny's. Then for your weapon you need atleast 250 raptures for 2nd grade. That's 500m coin if you buy all raptures. And you're telling us you're going to grind like almost 2 billion?

What server do you play on?

Ursa - Dreamweaver · May 2010

Mitties - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Gee, thank you so much for the constructive feedback. >_>

This is the best I can do for free. I can get the mats for the gear just by grinding, and I can buy enough gold for the 3-star orbs and some decent shards. If you have a better idea, please advise me.

And before you advise I spend a hundred bucks on the game, please see my sig.

lol, look foxie, you put in your build about 6 or 7 pieces of nirvana gear.
The richest people in know in this game (on my server) have 3-4 pieces, and that with thousands of dollars pumped in this game.
When people put shards and refined to +12 they give you the good advice. The cost of shards and +12 might pale sometimes to the cost of getting a piece of armor through nirvana.
U asked for advices, you should chew on them for a while. Ask people what builds they have and how long it took them to get their gear.
You might be offended by some of the replies you got, but your ignorance at the moment is offensive for the more experienced players.

LinkAway - Sanctuary · May 2010

Mitties - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Short answer, no, it is not better.

Where should I start.....

Do you have any idea what you're doing? I mean, no offense, but I'm not so rich I can afford the upgrade everything to +12 with Level 10 shards. And did you seriously suggest a Warsoul weapon? I mean, I'll grant you, that would be awesome. I would love it, but it's just a pipe dream. Also, those rings to not provide that much +crit, they provide an Attack Level bonus. Though, I'll admit, I can probably get a better tome, I'll fix that.

I set the shards and refines to something I could manage, and realized your setup sucks. It may provide a 2% Crit Bonus, if that, but at the expense of 1500 Magic Attack. Your hat and cape suck. The pants and boots may be a little better, but remember this: considering I'm using the entire Shadow Ashura set, I get a +5 Attack Level bonus and +13 Defense Level bonus, which trumps any minor bonuses your set provides.

If you're going to rate my set, please know what you're doing first.

EDIT: I added the Attack and Defense set bonuses on the rings, just to account for them. Each ring provides an additional +2 bonus. http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=2d96048553d843c0

I mean, i doubt you ever get a full nirvana equip with lunar belt, TT99 gold neck, these rings and that sword. My calc was ironic.
And if you really plan to get this equip, then get shards/refines that fit with the armor = at least +8 with perf shards ?

Edit :

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You're a joke..

Rude i know but hey.. :P

If you're gonna go FULL nirvana..with rings I've never even heard of..do they exist? then at least get better refines and shards..

Seems like some people think like I do !

2nd Edit :

Lol and you're willing to get a Lv8 tome, which doesn't exist. Enjoy.

3d and last edit :

Mitties - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Also, yes, I'm aware how much effort it will take to get the items. Just takes a ton of good old-fashioned grinding is all. ^_^

Obviously no you're not. Let's say you found a good grinding spot and, grindng 5 hours a day, you can make a mil per day w/o 2x drop (that's already nice i guess).
To get the 750 mil you need for ONE piece of nirvana gear, you would need to grind ...

3750 hours, 225000 minutes. => Some full 156.25 days for only one piece ! Lets go for the whole armor : 781.25 days !!!! Great score. Around 2.14 years of farming 24/24. I hope you'll get bored before.

Cocobelle - Sanctuary · May 2010

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

HA veno is the fail veno, low magic defense, low magic attack, and depends on heavy HEAVY refines. The only thing HA veno is only good for... PVPing non-elemental melee attacks b:laugh

I don't think Heavy Venos are that bad, really. I've met some Heavy Venos who are able to tank bosses in tandem with a nix. Basically, their nix does the damage and such. I think they're good in PVPing too like mentioned but their survivability is great, if you ask me. b:surrender

Mitties - Dreamweaver · May 2010

Well, I was rather gonna grind for those uncanny crystals myself. Just thought I'd point that out.

Yes, it may be a rather unrealistic goal. This is my highest-leveled character. So I probably don't know enough about the game to have any idea what I'm doing. But that's why I'm asking the people here on the forums as opposed to sitting here quietly and not asking anything. "The only stupid question is one left unasked."

Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary · May 2010

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You sir have posted it right b:thanks

with little bits of DEX (or accuracy) helps Veno a lot with not only using fox form, but also higher chance of critical rate. They are able to use both forms while having great physical defense.

HA veno is the fail veno, low magic defense, low magic attack, and depends on heavy HEAVY refines. The only thing HA veno is only good for... PVPing non-elemental melee attacks b:laugh

Oh, please. you really think you know it all dont u?

Im a HA veno. My magic attack is not low. 4,270-5,545 (unbuffed) and btw my spells hit alot harder than that number.

My physical def unbuffed in human form is 5,827 unbuffed in foxform its 11,148. The common LA veno wont reach that much phys def at lvl 90 buffed. The common AA veno with garnet shards would have an easier time reaching that much phys def buffed.

My physical attack unbuffed in foxform is 2,596-3,137.

My accuracy is 1,215 which is plently enough accuracy to hit my target. I can also trade out one magic ring for a for a misty forest ring which gives me +50% accuracy.

My Hp is 4.4k unbuffed, which is really good at lvl 90.

And btw, my gear isnt heavily refined atm. All my armor is +3 with either flawless or immacs. And my wep is +5 Does that seems heavily refined to you? heavily refined would be if everything was +5 or more.... which is what alot of ppl do endgame.
And yes, my elemental resistance might be lower. But 1) I can switch to robes for magic def. 2) my ortaments arent refined yet. and 3) HA and AA mixed still gives better defenses than LA.

That overload of dex wont help you a bit in foxform when you'll hit your target for ****. Don't make my tell you my buffed stats. b:bye

Batman - Harshlands · May 2010

Toad - Lost City wrote: »

Lol... no. The main reason to go LA is the decent survivability and decent hp from refining your armor. You wont have too low pdef like arcane and get little hp from refines so you can focus on hp shards as LA.With heavy armor, you have too low magic def so there is your weakness. So that is the main reason to go LA, definitely not for the crit. Crit is just a bonus to have.

no and no
you are LA and lvl 100 and still dont realize that every decent arcane pvp build around you have better of both defences than you?

Mitties - Dreamweaver wrote: »

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=2d96048553d843c0

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=deebc173c7f067aa
i couldnt find dragon rise robe so i used a custom robe that only has other name and grade 12 instead of 15
as you can see i used same number of sockets/grade of shards/refines and only a bit different
i think its worth 1% crit for that amount of pdef/mdef/hp and more magic atk

i suggest better neck/belt tho http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=fef43d7426750f6d

tweakz · May 2010

Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary wrote: »

Im a HA veno. My magic attack is not low. 4,270-5,545 (unbuffed) and btw my spells hit alot harder than that number.

I'm not against HA, but that seems low. 7656-8836 is my current grinding stat. With a Beamhoof Slicer it'd be over 10k. Dunno if 15 levels makes that much of a difference.

/NiKi - Lost City · May 2010

Batman - Harshlands wrote: »

no and no
you are LA and lvl 100 and still dont realize that every decent arcane pvp build around you have better of both defences than you?

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=deebc173c7f067aa
i couldnt find dragon rise robe so i used a custom robe that only has other name and grade 12 instead of 15
as you can see i used same number of sockets/grade of shards/refines and only a bit different
i think its worth 1% crit for that amount of pdef/mdef/hp and more magic atk

i suggest better neck/belt tho http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=fef43d7426750f6d

hiding behing alt?
anyway..
if u read it carefully u would realize that he said ''too low pdef as arcane'' was directed to pdef from armor,not from shards or belts or refines,meaning he can focus on hp shards instead of garnet as arcane,not that arcane cant have good pdef.learn to read b4 u flame.
arcane can be good but it can suck alot too,so as HA or LA,depends how u build it.

tweakz · May 2010

If you want higher highs but lower dps: just use a pataka. No reason to gimp yourself with LA unless you like inferior armor / dps / inconsistent aggro..

Venerable - Lost City · May 2010

I lol'd

AuroraXT - Sanctuary · June 2010

LA is very good if build right. It requires more attention than other builds and generally is harder to pull off correctly (not to mention more expensive); making it all the more rewarding.

I'm a LA demon veno and I love my build:

A gimp/fail build it is not; merely a fool would take it as such. Any build can be bad if you don't allow it to reach its full potential, and I must say I am far from reaching mine.

Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary · June 2010

tweakz wrote: »

I'm not against HA, but that seems low. 7656-8836 is my current grinding stat. With a Beamhoof Slicer it'd be over 10k. Dunno if 15 levels makes that much of a difference.

Avatar lies. Im actually lvl 90. So only 10-11 lvl difference. You are a pure mage build veno right? So ofc your magic attack is gonna be way higher than mine. I'm comparing my magic attack to pure vit-mage venos that have alot of stats pumped into vit that would seriously gimp there damage. but im 50/50 with human and foxform. So when i dont wanna cast spells, I'll just mellee in foxform. Right now, I still think my dps is better in human form, but later it might be better in foxform.

Batman - Harshlands · June 2010

/NiKi - Lost City wrote: »

hiding behing alt?

is that a problem for you? sorry the other one was created for LC and since i dont play there from like a year and a half...

/NiKi - Lost City wrote: »

if u read it carefully u would realize that he said ''too low pdef as arcane'' was directed to pdef from armor,not from shards or belts or refines,meaning he can focus on hp shards instead of garnet as arcane,not that arcane cant have good pdef.learn to read b4 u flame.
arcane can be good but it can suck alot too,so as HA or LA,depends how u build it.

i'm pretty sure he said that the build itself (as LA) is for survivability and he posted that if you read it well. thats what a lot of people think anyway, even if they are lvl 100 (which is like 2 months to achieve now). even with only good ornaments and properly refined and all the shards citrine... you still have better defences than a LA build. unless that archer use the same ornaments and that might be the reason he get 1 shot from wiz most of the time

4,270-5,545

as arcane vit i had like probably 1k over that at lvl 90 and was still kinda low imo. in time, with better gear and refines i might be able to remove some of that vit points

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