Player Gender Equality in PWI
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Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »The devs are in China. To them, adding homosexual relationships would be a-kin to adding drug use & **** into the game. Its socially unacceptable. And this game is a carbon copy except for text tranlation of the chinese version. No i'm not equating homosexuality to drugs & **** in a game for Americans & Europeans, but trying to explain that is their attitude, from their culture. And nothing anyone says is going to evolve an entirely seperate from our own and very large culture.
Also isnt same sex marriage still illegal in certain states in the US ? Allowing it ingame would in theory open up a whole new can of worms.0 -
ShadowsWrath - Heavens Tear wrote: »Also isnt same sex marriage still illegal in certain states in the US ? Allowing it ingame would in theory open up a whole new can of worms.
Same sex marrige isn't avilable in MOST countries, included several American states and European countries. If that was what you meant. I believe it wouldn't open more cans of worms than what is already opened though. **** rights has been a hot topic for ages. Nothing new there and a game would hardly matter or upset more people who isn't already fighting for or against this case.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Hey out there, the following is a LONG- see 'short story length'- venting post. It covers a variety of topics relating to my experience with PWI thus far and has as much basis in fact and research as it does in personal opinion. Please read the entire post if you're going to bother flaming. PS: PWI censors their forums in the strangest ways so I had to find a workaround for the name War Craft.
I am new to playing PWI. I came from playing World of War craft (and fable 2 and sims 2) for the past 5 or more years. Something that I've noticed about PWI that is off-putting to me is the very rigid gender restriction in place throughout the game. Everything is gender restricted from clothing and shoes (female characters can only wear high heels and mostly skirts) to not being able to pick up and carry another same gendered character, and at this point obviously the exclusion of same gendered character marriage. I'm surprised the quests and fighting abilities aren't gender restricted as well! The character creation screen at least had some androgynous choices of hair style so I could fashion the character to be less stereotypically feminine. I chose the mowhawk after my RL hairstyle, but it looks completely ridiculous with all the revealing female objectifying clothes my character is forced to wear LOL!
I can agree that more fashion should be added for female character to allow a more "masculine" appearance for them. However, I must also say that clothes should remain gender locked. Creating new fashions resembling the opposite gender could be done, but let's just face it that this game will go with what developers and the parent company, Perfect World Inc., whom are based in China, want.
Getting more on the point, this came as a complete shock as I'd been used to the mostly gender neutral/equal environment of WOW. I am a **** woman, my RL partner and I have enjoyed playing RPG games together for many years and consider it an enriching experience. We decided to move away from War craft to try something new. We heard PWI was a beautiful game that was fun to play. It is both of those for the most part, however when I was learning how to play the game, figuring out all of the controls, I discovered I couldn't pick up my partner's character like the other "couples" I'd seen in the game. Coupled with the lack of same gender marriage and the fact that being married and "hoist cuddling" came with actual in game advantages (not just cosmetic ones), I began to really get the sense that my partner and I were not equal to the other players in the eyes of the game creators. We get this enough from idiots in our RLs. The reason we play mmorpg's has a lot to do with the mmo part. It's a social game playing experience. Since we both work from home it's nice to be able interact and socialize in a "virtual home away from home".
I agree there should also be same gender emotes. Perhaps not on the scale of two male or two female characters making out as if anything, there might be a loss of players due to their own personal prejudices.
I've read a similar thread on the forums here and have some responses to some of the things that were said by closed minded or immature players about why PWI should remain a sexist biased game:
In response to the idea of needing a stricter rating:
In WOW and other games, same gendered characters can flirt with and "blowkiss" and hug one another, the same as the opposite gendered characters, and there was no need for a M esrb rating. Both WOW and PWI are rated T for TEEN. Same gender activities are not limited in Sims 2, it even has a sexual interaction option (woohoo) and its still rated T for TEEN. If you are under TEEN age and playing this or any other game with such a rating and cannot handle the content, your parents should be monitoring your activities more closely.
Agreed, most players are pretty stupid. This game would be rated on the game content, as the actual choices of players is not able to be rated. However, realize that ratings are just that, ratings. They do not affect anything about games as distribution based on ratings is regulated by company policies and not any laws. However, I think this entire argument can be discredited anyways, as most parents won't know anyways what this game supports, unless they themselves play it.
In response to the notion PWI would lose players and profits if same gender marriages were allowed:
In recent studies, and even these are incorrect because social stigma limits the amount of truthful answers, 2 out of every 10 people personally identify as something other than heterosexual. Let me break it down for you: In the US as of 2009 there were over 301 million people. That means over 61 MILLION people in the US identified as glbt. If you calculated the amount of money players in PWI spend in the cash shop for say a cheap mount ~$10 usd and multiplied it by the number of **** people who could at some point play PWI you'd have 610 million dollars just for each player buying a mount!!!. That is nothing to scoff at. I realize that not all glbt people are gamers, however I would expect the amount of glbt gamers to reflect the percentages of the general population. That number is still not something wise game developers should ignore. Here are a couple of short articles on the subject:
http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/gamespotting/090703thatpilotisyou/8.html
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http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/archives/game_culture/2005/01/homosexuality_and_gaming.html
And the homosexual community has found a way around that in this game. They do it by having similar named characters who marry each other. I'll explain.
Character Isis (female) marries character l\/lelainie (Male)
Character |\/|elanie (female) marries character marries character lsis (male)
The similar names will allow two characters to have the illusion of a homosexual marriage. Honestly, if PWE were smart, they would encourage this, as that is four packs bought instead of two. However, let's assume they wanted to add homosexual marriage.
In response to the idea that PWI is an Asian based and hosted game and cultural differences aren't accepting of homosexuality, have more strict social conduct yada yada yada.. If you would do your research, you would see that there are many examples of how historically most asian cultures have been even more accepting in a round about way of gender and sexual variance than even the US. If you're interested in learning something, here are some resources:
http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/IES/japan.html
http://www2.hu-berlin.de
/sexology/IES/thailand.html
http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/IES/vietnam.html#6
Here is where you lost. The parent company who made this game are run through China. Considering you failed to provide links on China's own state beliefs on homosexuality, I'll explain how my Chinese (language) teacher (note he lived in China for ten years) told my class. When asked about homosexuality within China, the government's official response (roughly) is "we do not have homosexuals in our country." Since all gameplay issues are run through the parent company first (which is the reason for our DQ price nerf), they will simply say no to homosexual marriages/emotes. Therefore, this thread was a waste of your time to write unless you plan to change the governmental policies of China.
* Concerning china's backwards views on sexuality in general, female infanticide is still practiced commonly in many rural communities- enough said about the country's accepted moral practices.
Yes, many of us are already aware of the moral views of China. We can all agree that they are wrong by our standards, but they work for that country.
In response to the uneducated dimwits who equate "**** marriage" to zoophelia or bestiality or call it un-natural: There is no academic correlation. Two humans regardless of gender are still THE SAME SPECIES! (exceptions could be made on the racial differences = possible subspecies differentiation in humans argument). Homosexual behavior has been studied in nature and other non-human animals and many common examples have been noted (dolphins, birds, apes, elephants, giraffes, sheep, lions, the list goes on and on) See here for a more complete list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
Honestly, this would have been real easy to sum up just by saying the entire thing is a slippery-slope logical fallacy.
In the related thread I read it was refreshing to see a majority of players who responded were actually in favor of or neutral to the idea of gender equality in PWI. As many of you know, word spreads like wildfire in online communities and I could not imagine how any smart company would be ok with becoming known as discriminatory towards a large consumer base. It just doesn't make any logical business sense.
As I've shown, the homosexual community has found a way around that, and it's more profitable as PWE gets twice the revenue, enough to make up any problems. And you will realize that once people get enough money in this game, they will do whatever they want, including buying four marriage packs.
In conclusion, this has been my first and probably my last post on these forums. I am conflicted as to whether or not I should continue playing PWI or go back to WOW. I find it incongruent calling a game PERFECT WORLD when it simply mirrors all of the injustices of our modern real world, very far from perfect. I want to play and like and PWI, it has a ton of great features and beautiful graphics, but I feel my community has been alienated by it and I don't think I can turn a blind eye to something so blatantly wrong.
No one (or at least a very few people at most) want you to feel alienated. Even PWE itself does not want that, but their hands are tied regardless by the parent company. Just remember where this game comes from, and realize that you too are alienating that culture for their beliefs. That doesn't make them right, but it makes you wrong to expect a culture which has these beliefs to change over even a few decades, let alone over night.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Didn't get the rest of it, but apparently I am the "destroyer of sin haters" as well.0 -
it was adam and eve not adam and steve no was it madam and eve..plz stop complaining because if i see a male tideborn pic up another male tideborn..i think ill barf..same with cleric men.0
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Samaela - Dreamweaver wrote: »Same sex marrige isn't avilable in MOST countries, included several American states and European countries. If that was what you meant. I believe it wouldn't open more cans of worms than what is already opened though. **** rights has been a hot topic for ages. Nothing new there and a game would hardly matter or upset more people who isn't already fighting for or against this case.
I know its most countries was just really asking about the USA since thats the games target audience and certain right wing religious zealot states have a habit of trying to ban things. <<< Thats what I mean by can of worms, more than the basic **** rights arguement.0 -
This comment still makes me LOL regarding this topic:
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ShadowsWrath - Heavens Tear wrote: »I know its most countries was just really asking about the USA since thats the games target audience and certain right wing religious zealot states have a habit of trying to ban things. <<< Thats what I mean by can of worms, more than the basic **** rights arguement.
I get your point, but I still stand by that wouldn't matter all that much. Or maybe I'm just underestimating how much the religious very very anti samesex marrige cares about this game and what actions it contains. b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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for the record, i pretty much agree with the OP. i understand it won't happen, but seeing so many people exhibit such obvious bigotry in explaining that or why it won't happen is deplorable.
(and i'm a straight male IRL, as if that made any difference.)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Heaven's Tear alts: KenLubin, Sou_Hon, JudyCaraco --- level 5x chars.0 -
just wanted to say i agree with OP, but whatever your orientaion its disturbing how female characters can only wear high heels or revealing clothing. its also endlessly annoying that same gender characters can not pick eachother up. aside from the orientation issue, the difference in attitude towards genders are disturbing and frustrating. i dont understand why, when a male elf can carry a below 30 female friend to somewhere a female elf can not.. its not only about the flirting and the sex although those, i think, are also important.
other than all the ethical issues, since this is JUST a game,
I want to be able to pick other girls up in game, I want to be able to look less girly if i choose it. just because this is JUST a game and simply because its more fun with variety.0 -
Equality is good and all, but it's something that is unfortunately hard to come by.
Expecting such equality to occur in a game (of all things) is really silly. First and foremost, it's a game - a tool for entertainment, not an outlet for social reform. It is also a bastion for people to escape the strife of the real world - please don't bring real world issues into it, keep them on their own front, where they actually matter: in the real, offline world. Second, this is how the culture from which the game's developers come view the issue.
It's a fact of the real world that people will not always agree with you on a subject. People have their own minds, their own thoughts, beliefs, desires. You can't expect them to agree with you on whatever you believe, nor can you force them. Forcing them, telling them to do so, is disrespectful to them and their culture.
It's funny... how people I've seen preach tolerance and equality show none for others of different beliefs.0 -
PlumDumb - Heavens Tear wrote: »it was adam and eve not adam and steve no was it madam and eve..plz stop complaining because if i see a male tideborn pic up another male tideborn..i think ill barf..same with cleric men.
I find it funny you use a Biblical reference to try to support your view when in fact, the OP already countered it. According to the Bible, God created all life, including animals. Seeing as animals cannot sin due to their lack of intelligence and behavior being based on basic instinct, when homosexual animals exist, it is obvious homosexuality is not really something the western religions can discriminate against, as it is a part of nature.
Now, when you come back, make sure you actually put some intelligence in your posts so we might benefit.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Didn't get the rest of it, but apparently I am the "destroyer of sin haters" as well.0 -
Wrathful - Raging Tide wrote: »Expecting such equality to occur in a game (of all things) is really silly.
why? if anything it should be easier, when all you have to do is twiddle some ones and zeroes. it's not like we need to have our toons chain themselves to fences and get beat up by the cops, suffragette style.First and foremost, it's a game - a tool for entertainment, not an outlet for social reform.
i don't get your point. are you saying the game would be less entertaining if it were less sexist? seems to me some are saying the sexism in it annoys them, which would seem like it would interfere with their enjoyment of it.
or are you saying we can't fix the way some digital avatars behave without instituting social reform? honestly, i really think it's just a matter of twiddling some ones and zeroes.
(yes, i know it'd be a big programming project. i program computers for a living, and i can imagine what a code base like PWI must look like after years of active use and likely few serious overhauls. but it's still not like we need rioting and lawsuits, not like in the real world.)It is also a bastion for people to escape the strife of the real world - please don't bring real world issues into it,
are you saying sexism and discrimination aren't real world issues? because it seems to me those are already in the game.It's funny... how people I've seen preach tolerance and equality show none for others of different beliefs.
ok, who's got "sexism and discrimination are really neato-kewl things without which i could not possibly enjoy my video games" as such important, serious personal beliefs that we must not risk offending them? name some names here, please, because i don't think anybody puts those bad things on such high pedestals any longer.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Heaven's Tear alts: KenLubin, Sou_Hon, JudyCaraco --- level 5x chars.0 -
If you don't like the game, go play another one...
This game takes forever to change. So don't expect anything soon, even if a change is planned. I still can't make a TB character because no matter how hard I try, their face color won't match their body color. I don't want my character to be purple, so I just choose not to play that race until it's fixed. Simple.
Also, if you don't want to wear girly clothes, try making a feminine looking male character. The character creator in this game is incredibly intense, so I'm sure if you spent enough time you could make it work (sans ****, of course...) They can even wear eyeshadow!
As for characters of the same sex being able to pick each other up, I see nothing wrong with it. But if they can't get married in game, they probably wouldn't be able to do the "embrace" option, just for continuity's sake. Now if someone starts arguing that Venos should be able to pick up and carry Barbs... b:chuckle0 -
LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yadah, yadah, QQ, etc...
Dude, my point is it's a game. b:chuckle0 -
Since we both work from home it's nice to be able interact and socialize in a "virtual home away from home.
wow go out side and get a some real friends instead of virtual ones.b:bye
Also no one gives a damn what you think about WoW this game isn't Wow okay so gtfo.In conclusion, this has been my first and probably my last post on these forums. I am conflicted as to whether or not I should continue playing PWI or go back to WOW. I find it incongruent calling a game PERFECT WORLD when it simply mirrors all of the injustices of our modern real world, very far from perfect. I want to play and like and PWI, it has a ton of great features and beautiful graphics, but I feel my community has been alienated by it and I don't think I can turn a blind eye to something so blatantly wrong.
Bye you won't be missed.b:byepwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=d5665672759051ef
^ my barbs built, full buff in tiger.b:bye
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Wrathful - Raging Tide wrote: »Dude, my point is it's a game.
we agree on that much, then. so why should it be so hard to change a mere game? it's not like anybody's suggesting changes to anything that matters.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Heaven's Tear alts: KenLubin, Sou_Hon, JudyCaraco --- level 5x chars.0 -
LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »we agree on that much, then. so why should it be so hard to change a mere game? it's not like anybody's suggesting changes to anything that matters.
Have you seen PWI try to fix anything? They can't fix real issues, let alone dance around social issues.
**** men: Make a tideborn. They look hella ****, like some scene emo **** kid.
**** women: Make a blademaster. It's the closest thing to a truck driver in this game.0 -
NightRage - Raging Tide wrote: »**** men: Make a tideborn. They look hella ****, like some scene emo **** kid.
either that, or they all have serious scoliosis. makes my back hurt just watching them stand with their hips out like that.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Heaven's Tear alts: KenLubin, Sou_Hon, JudyCaraco --- level 5x chars.0 -
ACLucius - Archosaur wrote: »I find it funny you use a Biblical reference to try to support your view when in fact, the OP already countered it. According to the Bible, God created all life, including animals. Seeing as animals cannot sin due to their lack of intelligence and behavior being based on basic instinct, when homosexual animals exist, it is obvious homosexuality is not really something the western religions can discriminate against, as it is a part of nature.
Now, when you come back, make sure you actually put some intelligence in your posts so we might benefit.
Ok i'm all for homosexuality and all, but for you to think you can try to say the BIBLE supports homosexuality is just ignorant to whats ACTUALLY in the bible.
1st of all, theres a direct passage in the old testament that says all homosexuals shall be stoned to death.
Secondly, it specifically states "man shall not lay down with another man"
Thirdly, it says marriage is only between a man and a woman.
Fourthly, it says sex of any kind is for the sole purpose of procreation, something which obviously homosexual sexual activity can not accomplish. Everything besides procreational sex is sodomy, something which is specifically prohibited.
Lastly, the rules put forth by god in the Bible were for mankind, and dont apply to animals. Its not that animals cant sin, its that sin doesnt apply to animals. Animals also kill each other, and not just for food, does this mean killing is ok because it exists in nature?
Why do you think its taking the catholic church so incredibly long to come to terms with homosexuality? Its pretty direct that according to the word of god in a literal interpretation of the bible, that homosexuality is not allowed.
Final word tho, i'm in no way in agreement with the above thoughts, but i merely had to say that noone who knows anything about the bible can say its pro-homosexual.0 -
NightRage - Raging Tide wrote: »Have you seen PWI try to fix anything? They can't fix real issues, let alone dance around social issues.
Primarily this. Certain glitches have been around a while now - nearly a year - with no sign of resolution in sight. Expecting them to put something into the game that's not all that accepted by the culture of the developers just because a certain group of players whine for it, it's, well... It's pretty much a waste of effort.
Best you could do is push it from your mind, not be concerned about it, and then be thoroughly surprised when something is done about it in a patch.0 -
ACLucius - Archosaur wrote: »I find it funny you use a Biblical reference to try to support your view when in fact, the OP already countered it. According to the Bible, God created all life, including animals. Seeing as animals cannot sin due to their lack of intelligence and behavior being based on basic instinct, when homosexual animals exist, it is obvious homosexuality is not really something the western religions can discriminate against, as it is a part of nature.
Wrong.
There are some animals that sometimes kill young ones of own species (lions, for example). According to your logic, I could go and randomly kill babies and it would be fine.
Human is not an animal because has morality. We know the difference between good and evil acts, animals are driven only by instinct.
If you want to claim that men can do everything what animals do, why don't you follow the example of fish and never speak again?
Oh, and there are no homosexual animals. What they do is the part of their social life, somthing like hugs for us, and is not even close to what we, humans, call love. If there would be homosexual animals they would breed too slow and extinct fast.Packs World International0 -
Wrathful - Raging Tide wrote: »Expecting them to put something into the game that's not all that accepted by the culture of the developers just because a certain group of players whine for it, it's, well...
it's like expecting customer service out of PWI?It's pretty much a waste of effort.
ok, point, you got me there.
in theory PWE is selling us entertainment, and so it would make sense for them to listen to their customers. but the difference between theory and practice is often bigger in practice than in theory, i can't argue with that.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Heaven's Tear alts: KenLubin, Sou_Hon, JudyCaraco --- level 5x chars.0 -
These threads are so horribly, incredibly stupid. It's not going to be put into the game and it really doesn't need to be. Just because you are part of a non-heterosexual relationship and therefore a minority doesn't mean that you need to demonstrate to everyone on the internet.
Actually, let's just remove all the emoticons and marriage system. That way WC won't be so sickeningly "I LUV U BBY LOL" b:surrender/Groovy/ - Harshlands wrote: »Oh, and there are no homosexual animals. What they do is the part of their social life, somthing like hugs for us, and is not even close to what we, humans, call love. If there would be homosexual animals they would breed too slow and extinct fast.
There are homosexual animals, interestingly enough. Aggregate list found here
Though it should be noted that many of these animals have a specific reason for doing so.Bladestorm lets you spin around like a carnival ride and do damage. Not using it is almost like having a move called Confetti Rocket Power Leap and saving it for "emergencies"
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Mankind: *fighting/QQing over petty things such as religion, personal beliefs, boundaries, cultures, etc*
God: *Watches the drama during his/herbreaks*
Point is, most of the things are controlled by humans and will always go according to the person/people who has the most say in it.
In this case, PW China hold all the cards and what they do is what we get. You can agrue day and night or even decades about it being unfair but from their point of view, theyre
correct and if you dont like it well find another game.
Although I did like some of the points made in this thread.
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I neither agree or disagree.
From a player perspective I would rather have the devs spend more time fixing bugs and creating events then programming this. (and they have a hard time not doing this....)Retired
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Here's a possible compromise:
Make a Venomancer and tone down as many of the feminine curves as you can. Thin torso and hips and use a little bit wider mid range. Pick a short hairstyle. For fashion get the leather pants and shirt.
Then make a male Assassin. They are already more feminine looking than the female toons in this game. Make the toon as skinny as possible and pick one of the longer hairstyles. Give the toon a female sounding name. Oh, and put on the pink feathery Corsairs outfits.
Now you have two unisex-looking toons which someone would need to scan to tell the gender.Since when did the word "fail" change from a verb to an adjective? A character can "fail" (as a verb) or be a "failed" character (as an adjective), but there is no such thing as a "fail" character.
If "Barb" (not "arian") is short for Barbarian and "Veno" (not "mancer") is short for Venomancer then shouldn't we be calling Assassins something other than "sins"?0 -
Hey there,
From what I have read, you are complaining on the fact that PWI does not have **** marriage and more masculine clothes for female characters, among other things.
I could understand what you mean there, even if I do not really agree to it.
You see, games, movies, books depend on the culture from where they are made. Would not game-makers, writers, etc. be censored if they went for freedom that is not allowed in their country?
The game is Asian theme-based, yes. But it's made in contemporary China. Go ask the government there if they would accept your proposal.
Comparing PWI to another game (you should not name it here, by the way) is no good. Each has its specialties and differences, like about everything else. If you find lacking elements here and there (as long as it's not bugs and glitches), just live with it. That is what makes it unique, even if it's flawed to you.
As it was said before, it's all about avatars and you are attaching sexual orientation to it, which is a very optional component for game makers. Adapt to this game or do not, that issue will not change with time when it comes to games from PWE.
When it comes to fashion, PWI is indeed sexualized and with standard stereotypes. Pants for guys, skirts for girls. Even if there are some strange fashion sets for guys (shining feather... urgh! b:spit) and that some female ones are outrageously odd (corsair's dress, which looks truly indecent), you can find stuff that could be at least fine. It's not the absence of variety of fashion that reigns in this game.
But really, if you wanted gender equality, there are worse games than PWI on that matter.
Oh and when it comes to fighting for gender equality (which I find a nice thing to do), you truly should go against other organizations than a mere MMORPG maker.Maintenance time. Please choose a line:
- When is it over? OMG I need my fix!! *super spazzing*
- Fix the damn bugs, dammit! I'm so angry! I'll quit!!
- New codes out there? I like free stuff~ *wink*
- When will we get new content? QQ
- Will we get sales? I got a ton of gold to spend.
- I'm bored, I'll create a useless thread to annoy Opkorock.
- *Incessant poking on Sweetiebot* Fun~0 -
Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »shining feather... urgh! b:spit
O.O hey, I find it looks sexy on Barbs
on topic: honestly guys, ****/**** marrige will never be implimented into the game, nomatetr how hard you QQ
I just find htat alot of ****/**** couples make a char of the opposite sex and get married that way
although i have seen some girl chars look quite like boys... o.o[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]<3 by Silvy
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I see some people saying homosexual animal b:laugh and bible.
What about hermaprodit (double gender) and atheist ?
These thread will become too intense because more *easy to begin war* opinion will show up here.
Some people would show up and . .
Saying more about *logic* while the other will talk about *religious belief* and the other talk about *morality*.
Then we will goes to multiple marriage, evolution, world changing histories, future doom, economy crisis, world food supply, endangered animal, nature destruction, and many more . .
There people that think it's better if less child born because food supply is more limited each day not everyone can get it, and the number of those who can't get it multiple each day.
There people that think technology advance is a threat for religious belief, and must be taken care quickly to halt it advance. It makes people forget about god it makes people want the easiest and fastest way.
There people that think human is the biggest threat for world, their number rapidly increasing and they killing other living being for foods, clothes, tools, home, joy, and pride. They were the real monster, because they close their eye & heart when other people feel infinite despair of humanity forever.
There people that think balance is always exist. If you want 1000 people to happy, there always another 1000 people that feel sad. Terror will always exist as long as Justice exist, they will always there as long as we life.
There people that think to enjoy your life while you can to the fullest, because you might not get the second chance to feel it again. Live the way you want, do not follow anything if you following because of fear.
There people that think other human as lower being than them self, but they will do everything to protect those they loves. Because they were human, they were weak & hopeless if alone. However another human is also their biggest threat.
There people that think money is everything, because you can't life without it. It's not because they love the money, they just driven insane because their entire family live depend on it. They will sacrifice pride, virginity, humanity, moral, belief, their own freedom of opinion and choices for money.
For me it's not matter who are you, what your gender, where you birth, who your parents, your country, your belief, your hobby, your crimes, your mistakes, you defect, your looks (well maybe a little lol), your sexual type, . . . i just think you were another human want other human to understand them o.0 agreeing or not . . keep fighting until you can't fight anymore.
Well . . want to write more but i am tired b:chuckle i am just get at home and now it's already 0.46 am . . o.0 oh i write a lot.
Now . . i need to continue reading my manga . .[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Sorry i speak engrish b:chuckle
Nickname doesn't have anything to do with sailor but related to a folklore
Use search, it was your best friends to avoid many suffering in internet...0 -
Esnemyl - Dreamweaver wrote: »Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »shining feather... urgh! b:spit
O.O hey, I find it looks sexy on Barbs
on topic: honestly guys, ****/**** marrige will never be implimented into the game, nomatetr how hard you QQ
I just find htat alot of ****/**** couples make a char of the opposite sex and get married that way
although i have seen some girl chars look quite like boys... o.o
I'd give him a T-shirt.Maintenance time. Please choose a line:
- When is it over? OMG I need my fix!! *super spazzing*
- Fix the damn bugs, dammit! I'm so angry! I'll quit!!
- New codes out there? I like free stuff~ *wink*
- When will we get new content? QQ
- Will we get sales? I got a ton of gold to spend.
- I'm bored, I'll create a useless thread to annoy Opkorock.
- *Incessant poking on Sweetiebot* Fun~0
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