Sage/Demon, lvl79 and lvl100 skill

Ecatomb - Harshlands
Ecatomb - Harshlands Posts: 139 Arc User
edited May 2010 in Assassin
It's online:
http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/skillpwi.php

Can you check if you find any error?

ps: icon of fury+lvl79/100 skill mising isn't a bug, will add it tomorow
ecatomb.net/pwi/

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  • lolopolda
    lolopolda Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    10%hp reduce at rib strike and atk speed at slipstream aint demon anymore?
  • Raggen - Dreamweaver
    Raggen - Dreamweaver Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    You're "THE" Man Ecatomb...

    Super fast changes in calc ^^
    So far, everything seems to be right...
  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    lolopolda wrote: »
    10%hp reduce at rib strike and atk speed at slipstream aint demon anymore?

    i had heard they were swapped on CN but havent confirmed...
    I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of title, the character of an honest man. -George Washington
  • lolopolda
    lolopolda Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    If its everything right then sage sins are way much better than demon ones now...

    RibStrke Sage>demon
    Slipstream Sage>demon
    Earthen rift sage>demon
    Bloodpaint sage>demon
    Dagger Dev sage>demon
    Power dash Sage>demon
    maze steps Sage>demon
    Tracking slash Sage>demon
    Chill of the deep sage>demon

    1/2 of them were demon b4 >.<

    skills better on demon
    Subsea Strike (but not much)
    Deaden nerves
    Shadow Teleport

    Other skills are like it dsnt metter what side they are almost same useless... The only thing just keep me think about chose demon is spark.. 25% atk speed is nice tho...

    Any other opinions whats better now? Sage vs Demon?
  • Evict - Heavens Tear
    Evict - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,301 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Genie with 80 str will give you 25% attack speed with relentless courage for 8 seconds. + Sage Spark = Demon spark with defense.
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  • skyxiii
    skyxiii Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Not to mention that Sage slipstream has IAS too.

    First off - very nice work ecatomb. Your website continues to be one of the most helpful places for PWI information out there.

    On another note,
    damage hierarchy among the strongest sin skills before sage/demon lv. 11 skills was something like:
    Headhunt -> Throatcut ->Rib Strike -> Dragon -> Subsea/Slipstream -> Tackling Slash -> Powder Dash

    Now it's more like:
    Headhunt -> Throat ->Slipstream -> Subsea -> Tackling/Rib Strike -> Powder Dash -> Dragon

    Noticeable Changes:
    Slipstream/Subsea/Tackling damage almost doubled from lv 10...
    Rib Strike and Dragon drop to the bottom of the list.

    Also, pre-sage/demon Headhunt used to add more additional damage than any of the 4 BM ultimates 2 spark skills.
    After sage/demon upgrade, Headhunt now adds less damage than 3 of the BM ultimates (myriad, glacial, breath) and only out-damages HF now.

    What are your thoughts on this guys?
  • anwynd
    anwynd Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    im definately gonna be goin sage on my sin when i get done messing around & get bck to lvling heheb:victory o & ecatomb site rulesb:victoryb:pleased
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  • ntkn
    ntkn Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    it seems a few of the kills that made demon sin good from the thread a few months ago on CN sage/demon skills got swaped around. slilp stream and rib strike in particular...


    those 2 changes alone makes sage sin better now by a large margin. didnt think they would change this drastically in just a short time tbh. got nothing more to say really utter then its time to prepare for sage.

    one question tho since i havent been on for awhile, does PD still increase crit rate or was it patched out at some point? because if it still does then that means sage PD gives 50% crit rate now which is just amazing as hell...
  • _Nettuno_ - Harshlands
    _Nettuno_ - Harshlands Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    According to ecatomb the lvl 11 bloodpaint has a lower duration, is drastically lowered to 60 seconds...is that right or was an error, can anyone confirm it?

    Cause if it really right i'll probably keep it at lvl 10 or simply...i'll not raise it from lvl 1


    Thank you
  • anwynd
    anwynd Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    _Nettuno_ - Harshlands wrote: »
    According to ecatomb the lvl 11 bloodpaint has a lower duration, is drastically lowered to 60 seconds...is that right or was an error, can anyone confirm it?

    Cause if it really right i'll probably keep it at lvl 10 or simply...i'll not raise it from lvl 1


    Thank you

    yea i noticed tht to i rlly hope tht was an errorb:shocked
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  • Aldryami - Sanctuary
    Aldryami - Sanctuary Posts: 322 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Why is everyone so obsessed with 10% hitpoint reduction over a massive reduction in opponents attack speed? For bosses that measly 10% will never replace the archer's Sharptooth Arrow. In PvP its what happens after the charm gets below 50% that matters anyway. On a 20k hp barb the skill does an extra 2k damage on ONE SINGLE HIT. 2k....meh.

    Give me almost continuous massive reduction in opponents attack speed any day of the week.
  • DoomUniT - Lost City
    DoomUniT - Lost City Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Sage Slipstream attack speed bonus lasts for 3 secsb:chuckle

    Hope u ppl dont get too exited over it
  • Raggen - Dreamweaver
    Raggen - Dreamweaver Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I Think Chill of The Deep description is wrong.

    Lvl 11 skill is saying that Atk speed redctuion is only 50%, instead of the 100% from lvl 10.

    But it makes no sense, since the Demon version add is to reduce Atk speed by 70%.

    BloodPaint duration also worries me. Even with the 15s cooldown, rebuff every 60s is not cool, especially with a skill that has a LONG cast.
  • I_Snipe - Lost City
    I_Snipe - Lost City Posts: 451 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I believe some of the skills on ecatomb are still being edited. just apply the lvl 10 to everything and just pay attention to only the bonus.
  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    _Nettuno_ - Harshlands wrote: »
    According to ecatomb the lvl 11 bloodpaint has a lower duration, is drastically lowered to 60 seconds...is that right or was an error, can anyone confirm it?

    Cause if it really right i'll probably keep it at lvl 10 or simply...i'll not raise it from lvl 1


    Thank you

    my friend was going to learn this...but someone messed up when putting these skills in. the 92 skills require you to be Master of Harmony, which is the 99 cultivation....so sins can only learn their 89 skills and cant learn 92 skills until they are 99b:surrender
    I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of title, the character of an honest man. -George Washington
  • _Nettuno_ - Harshlands
    _Nettuno_ - Harshlands Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Trawne - Lost City wrote: »
    my friend was going to learn this...but someone messed up when putting these skills in. the 92 skills require you to be Master of Harmony, which is the 99 cultivation....so sins can only learn their 89 skills and cant learn 92 skills until they are 99b:surrender

    I really hope it's an error...

    Another question, this time about wolf emblem: It say (sage version)

    Duration is increased up to 30 minutes.
    Cooldown is reduced to 8 seconds.
    The max critical damage increasing effect is decreased by 20%

    Well, the "damage increasing is decreased BY (not TO) 20%", that mean a damage amplify of just 10% (from the 30% of the lvl 10)

    Can anyone confirm this one too?

    Thank you again
  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    _Nettuno_ - Harshlands wrote: »
    I really hope it's an error...

    Another question, this time about wolf emblem: It say (sage version)

    Duration is increased up to 30 minutes.
    Cooldown is reduced to 8 seconds.
    The max critical damage increasing effect is decreased by 20%

    Well, the "damage increasing is decreased BY (not TO) 20%", that mean a damage amplify of just 10% (from the 30% of the lvl 10)

    Can anyone confirm this one too?

    Thank you again

    that one is "TO"

    you effectively get a wolf emblem that's always up giving 220% crit damage.

    compared to demons 240% for 30 seconds they end up equalizing over the period of 1 minute, however sins can throw all their tricks in the time demon emblem is up for high crit numbers making demon emblem a bit better in this sense. sage emblem is nice for PVE and boss fights and fights in PVP that may grow to be drawn out longer than 30 seconds b:laugh
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  • Ecatomb - Harshlands
    Ecatomb - Harshlands Posts: 139 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    _Nettuno_ - Harshlands wrote: »
    According to ecatomb the lvl 11 bloodpaint has a lower duration, is drastically lowered to 60 seconds...is that right or was an error, can anyone confirm it?

    Cause if it really right i'll probably keep it at lvl 10 or simply...i'll not raise it from lvl 1


    Thank you
    I think it's 60min not 60sec (lvl10 is 30min). But IG skill say 60 seconds ...
    Raggen - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I Think Chill of The Deep description is wrong.

    Lvl 11 skill is saying that Atk speed redctuion is only 50%, instead of the 100% from lvl 10.

    But it makes no sense, since the Demon version add is to reduce Atk speed by 70%.

    BloodPaint duration also worries me. Even with the 15s cooldown, rebuff every 60s is not cool, especially with a skill that has a LONG cast.
    IG skill said 50% but on chinese site it's 100%

    Should be an error for these 2 skill. Will correct that


    Can you check Shadow Walk? I think I use data of mp used for stealth level (for lvl1 to 10)
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  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    thats one i dont know about. on the site it says shadow escape gives 11 levels stealth. shadow walk doesnt say this. do they differ in here? i'm rather hoping the 11 levels of stealth is in error as that would cause sins to not see each other at the same level anymore. 2 sins could be 101 standing stealthed and not see each other if thats true b:sad
    I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of title, the character of an honest man. -George Washington
  • Drizst - Heavens Tear
    Drizst - Heavens Tear Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Demon Puncture Wound:

    Requisite Spiritual Cultivation Aware of the Void
    Deals base physical damage plus 100% of weapon damage.
    Causes the target to bleed for 4676 physical damage over 9 seconds.

    The bleed duration is reduced by 3 seconds, but the total damage remains.

    wth? so becoming a demon and using this skill is a punishment?
  • Drizst - Heavens Tear
    Drizst - Heavens Tear Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Well Thank you very much for clearing that up! lol It just seems like if your a Sin that wants to do PVP its clear that You should go demon because thats where the skills are taking you that way as Sage is more for PVE
  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Drizst - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Well Thank you very much for clearing that up! lol It just seems like if your a Sin that wants to do PVP its clear that You should go demon because thats where the skills are taking you that way as Sage is more for PVE

    look at the skills again.

    then, look at the skills again.

    THEN. look at them AGAIN

    then come up with your answer GG b:surrender
    I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of title, the character of an honest man. -George Washington
  • cragzor
    cragzor Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Anything know yet about that 60sec bloodpaint duration?
  • NightReaper - Lost City
    NightReaper - Lost City Posts: 196 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    lol... awensome site!!! tyvm
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