Where should I stand when doing BB/RB?

Frijolero - Sanctuary wrote: »

Boss-Tank --- Cleric(Me) --- DDers(ranged)

Yup, this is usually the way I place myself. Especially if there's more than one melee class. That way vryone gets teh cleric love...

Just make sure the tank is in your range. The rest of the DD's can adjust, for the tank it's alot harder (sometimes dangerous).

Don't stand to close to the tank though, some bosses have an extra short range AoE that can kill you even with BB. Better not take the gues

aww, so new 'wyvern way' dont work on pole?

must be hard lesson for all who insisted bbing in 51

Frijolero - Sanctuary wrote: »

I learned that the hard way on Polearm. Every one wanted that I use BB insteal IH. Tank aggroed pole. Tank's gets right next to me while doing BB. Got 1-shotted by pole's AoE (even with the 50% dmg reduction). Everyone else gets wiped later on by pole b:cry

Just a tip - if "everyone" wants you to BB and you want to spam heals . . . tell them to shove it. Especially if you were the only cleric in party, you should have slapped them all senseless. I almost never suggest BBing on a debuff boss, especially one that strong. Even had you not been 1 shotted, the tank would have bitten it pretty quickly without purify.

What everyone said ^^^

Also, there are some bosses that will knock you out of bb at close range... so know your max bb range and set up at that distance away from your tank (ask them to move closer if you overestimate). On those bosses (eg. the last boss in fc), you'll want to make sure boss wont go your direction if that ranged archer behind you steals aggro.

Actually I have done polearm with 2 clerics taking turns to BB because the tank is a 5k HP BM. In that case, a single hit when debuffed would have killed him so there was no other choice.

It went well except when the boss was about to die, it killed the BM and another veno. =/

how to use bb:
make sure tank and melees are in range or can easily get in range. everyone else doesnt hold the boss and casn easily adjust. note: wiz and archer with their aoes shoud adjust before putting them up (kind of obvious but people manage to surprise me every day :P) safest for you is stack few ihs on tank, let them run in and grab aggro, follow and set bb.
when to use bb or not use it:
yes - for aoe bossess (farren, drum, soul banisher), random aggro switch bossess, things your tank wont survive w/o damage reduction (wurlord). can be used on bossess who have 'curse' (increase damage taken) debuff as it can be outhealed (wyvern).
no - for polearm, krimson, decaying fragrance and the like - reduce mdef and reduce pdef debuffs must be purified or they will stack to the point even 15k hp barb may not survive, also bossess like pole or rankar interrupt casting making other heals much more effective
maybe - for things you can heal with ih but you have a happy squad of aggro stealers. i personally hate agro pingpong and often put bb to avoid switching targets every 2 ihs
sometimes - there are things that do interrupt casting, but you put up bb anyway, and bring chi pots and ask veno to keep you sparked to put it up again and again. you need that bb because without it aoe or random aggro switch kills squishies, you included. good (i mean nasty) examples: some bossess in fb 99 sot, fb 99 abaddon, ancient evil lethal vengeance
and 5k hp bm can tank pole with 2 clerics, all in 8x - one cleric spams ih, other purifies and ihs, rest of squad brings pots unless bm is really good with interrupt and self healing which will give second cleric time for aoe heals.

HoneyPott - Archosaur wrote: »

More thanks to the additional posters for the help and advice included.

I particularly like the screenshot of both being casted, so thanks for that, MystiMonk.

Aya___'s "How to use BB" post also brings further useful advice, and adds which kinds of bosses to use it on and which to avoid it with, so again, thank you.

Another question has just sprung to mind. I have been wondering about this ever since another cleric in my faction put forward the following question: Do 2 RBs change the amount of damage dealt, i.e. do they 'stack'? Any ideas if this is viable? (Personally, I don't think it can be, but would love to know for sure).

2 RBs dont change the damage deal, still 2x normal damage. Not change the channeling time either, still 20%. So it's a waste doing 2 RBs at the same time.

Also happen with 2BBx, still reduce damage to 50% like 1 BB up, the difference is the healing made, its doubled.

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I heard pole can hit up to 6k debuffed but im not really sure since I was never at the receiving end.

i was b:shocked tank died and i was buying time for other cleric to res and buff him... im quite proud of myself, was able to hold him for a long while (healing and purifying myself) still when he managed to land his special axe attack it was way over my 4,5k hp...
a barb friend told me when cleric didnt puri him damage went up to over 4k per hit

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

2 RBs doesn't stack.
1 RB doesn't double the damage btw. Only increases weapon bonus damage by 100%.

2BBs still gives 50% dmg reduction but the two BBs are now healing regularly at their own rate. So healing is not doubled (as it depends on the mag atk of both clerics)

Also, try not to BB right beside mobs as you are weaker to melee than magical attacks if you ever draw aggro from them.

if you ever are in situation bb isnt enough then put up one bb for damage reduction and aoe heal and have second cleric spam ih (or other spells if needed, res and puri come to mind). will work much better...
rb is cool, but ive heard from demons it messes up their triple spark, so lately at djinnscream im asked to NOT rb and triple spark and dd instead