Ironheart Blessing?

nakedizabela · May 2010

I have a level 64 Cleric and everyone always tells me to spam Ironheart Blessing, but I honestly don't understand why. If you cast it once and then do it again on the same person the little regeneration icon under their name disappears. Does it have some sort of effect that I'm not aware of? Please explain to me b:surrender

Also I've been feeling like I've been doing a bad job as a cleric lately. Somehow even though I try to do my best someone dies while doing BH 51. Its hard to keep healing 4-5 people and at the boss its never continuously one person taking damage it always changes. I feel like people have been fed up with me or something. I try my best but its a little too challenging to do the BH with only me being the only cleric on the squad and I run out of things to do if there's another cleric. Is it some sort of half way transitional period? Am I doing something wrong? Are all clerics like that?

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear · May 2010

Yes, the icon goes away. However, it doesn't stop healing. Read this, and make sure you aren't doing anything terribly wrong. Also, if something's hitting everyone, you've just got a bad tank (unless it's an aoe).

Reichle - Sanctuary · May 2010

nakedizabela wrote: »

Also I've been feeling like I've been doing a bad job as a cleric lately. Somehow even though I try to do my best someone dies while doing BH 51. Its hard to keep healing 4-5 people and at the boss its never continuously one person taking damage it always changes. I feel like people have been fed up with me or something. I try my best but its a little too challenging to do the BH with only me being the only cleric on the squad and I run out of things to do if there's another cleric. Is it some sort of half way transitional period? Am I doing something wrong? Are all clerics like that?

Yeah, I sorta know how you feel, but sometimes people die with even the best clerics. This doesn't mean that it was your fault. It could have been a bad tank like death said. Maybe your tank was keeping aggro or a DD stole it.
At this level you should already be well aquainted with being a cleric. That's 24 levels of BH under your belt.
If there's another cleric then you DD or heal the non-tank members of the squad.
It doesnt seem like you're doing anything wrong...b:surrender

MystiMonk - Sanctuary · May 2010

nakedizabela wrote: »

Also I've been feeling like I've been doing a bad job as a cleric lately. Somehow even though I try to do my best someone dies while doing BH 51. Its hard to keep healing 4-5 people and at the boss its never continuously one person taking damage it always changes. I feel like people have been fed up with me or something. I try my best but its a little too challenging to do the BH with only me being the only cleric on the squad and I run out of things to do if there's another cleric. Is it some sort of half way transitional period? Am I doing something wrong? Are all clerics like that?

This is typical of squads in BH51 especially Wyvern.

VlLKASS - Sanctuary · May 2010

When all else fails ... b:chuckle BB b:laugh
in bh51 on 1st boss you could set BB, 2nd Fat one (meh forgot name Fugma?) might interupt it. Wyvern doesn't (actually a lot of squads pref BB for Wyvern when I was doing it, because of AOE, especially if there's a BM/Sin besides barb in squad)

In bh51 agro shouldn't be switching... Perhaps tank couldn't keep agro.

& Ironheart stacks.

PenutButer - Dreamweaver · May 2010

No, everyone is just stupid in bh51/39 and they run into random mobs/bosses and get themselves/squad killed. Yesterday our cleric died 3 times cuz of an archer >.>.

Fruitluips - Lost City · May 2010

VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wyvern doesn't (actually a lot of squads pref BB for Wyvern when I was doing it, because of AOE, especially if there's a BM/Sin besides barb in squad)

I've never used BB for Wyvern. Besides the fact that you need to purify the tank, BB is overkill.

Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary · May 2010

nakedizabela wrote: »

I have a level 64 Cleric and everyone always tells me to spam Ironheart Blessing, but I honestly don't understand why. If you cast it once and then do it again on the same person the little regeneration icon under their name disappears. Does it have some sort of effect that I'm not aware of? Please explain to me b:surrender

Even though the icon disappears, the effect is still in place and it STACKS which is why the demon/sage version of this skill go for ~25M in the Auction... it's that good of a skill.

nakedizabela wrote: »

Its hard to keep healing 4-5 people and at the boss its never continuously one person taking damage it always changes.

As others have said, if aggro is shuffling around like that then you have a bad tank. If you have a barb then he should be using his skills to hold or re-take aggro--if he doesn't he is the one making the squad fail. If you don't have a tank, then THE WHOLE SQUAD needs to realize that the high damage dealer is going to get aggro... archers and wizards need to WAIT until the BM has done a fair bit of damage (at least 10%) before they open up at their full attack rate--if they don't, then they're the ones making the squad fail. In a situation where you don't have a barb, be aware that aggro can shift and PREDICT who is likely to steal aggro first... watch their HP bar in the squad list while you're healing the BM (or whoever is tanking) and when they get hit, throw a Wellspring Surge on them.

Of course if they take aggro and they're squishy (wizard or arcane veno) and THEY DONT STOP SHOOTING, then its' their fault if they die, not yours... there's no barb in this situation so DDs need to control their damage output unless they have the hitpoints and defense to be tanking, in which case they should have volunteered to tank in the first place.

The problems I hear about in BH39 and BH51 are just amazing... seems due to the faster leveling rate these days that folks hitting these BHs still just dont' have a clue how to work together and complement each others' skills... they barely have a clue about their own skills. b:sad

Katzyn - Sanctuary · May 2010

Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary wrote: »

The problems I hear about in BH39 and BH51 are just amazing... seems due to the faster leveling rate these days that folks hitting these BHs still just dont' have a clue how to work together and complement each others' skills... they barely have a clue about their own skills. b:sad

I, personally, don't think it's just the rate at which people level...it's the lack of having to learn how to work together. When I had my cleric doing bh29s, we OFTEN had a higher level who tanked everything for us, even in random squads. As the cleric, I hardly had to do anything! I, again personally, didn't like it, and tried to get with people my level, but sometimes, it's either go the easy way with this higher level, or don't go at all.

Now that my cleric is doing bh39, I'm more often with people my level, but there are still the occasional high-levels who are being nice and doing all the work for us. So, we're not learning much. I'm really quite nervous about bh51...

BarbLord - Raging Tide · May 2010

its horrible but i gotta confirm theres to many idiots atleast in bh39
so much running around and fail lures i lost agro several times after bad lures just because DDs atack any mob on sight i cant keep agro from 4-5 mobs at the same time if each DD atacks one that im not atacking i can control heal agro easily but berserk DDsb:surrender
but its not just DDs also clerics who use pureheart and welspring as only heals and seem not to take in consideration i actually gotta have a chance to get agro instead off spam healing me right away
then theres also idiotic barbs who never seem to have heard off agroing all mobs or helping a squishy after they toke agro

sigh i wished there were more people who knew how to play their class around my level range

VlLKASS - Sanctuary · May 2010

Fruitluips - Lost City wrote: »

I've never used BB for Wyvern. Besides the fact that you need to purify the tank, BB is overkill.

My friend was lvling a new cleric char, a lot of squads in bh51 were asking for her to BB.
+ Another blamed her for a squad whipe when she didn't BB lol

Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary · May 2010

VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »

My friend was lvling a new cleric char, a lot of squads in bh51 were asking for her to BB.
+ Another blamed her for a squad whipe when she didn't BB lol

Blame is another thing that sucks... when somene CLEARLY made a mistake, then point out what they could have done to avoid a squad wipe or near-death, but don't harp on them about how fail they are without providing some tip for improvement. Screamng fail without constructive counter-point is just fail itself.

When I was doing BH51 (ages ago it seems), we used BB probably 9 times out of 10, unless the barb was the only one who would be anywhere near Wyrven... BB just seemed a necessity if you had a BM also dealing damage as they just can't take the AoE hit without the 50% damage reduction from BB. When I went back to help with BH51s after Tideborn were introduced I found Assassins having the same problem... if there's no BB, then they have to sit on the sidelines and twiddle their thumbs.

So BB or no-BB is really dependent on the squad make-up and either one can be the right choice, but I've seen a squad wipe even with BB up cuz squishy got too close and was 1-shot through BB, or stupid BM thinks BB makes them invulnerable and doesn't use any HP food to supplement BB heal. >.<

MystiMonk - Sanctuary · May 2010

I actually like Bh 39 compared to bh51 much better organized although on my own I would get lost.When I do it everything goes smooth much better than 51.

I would never use BB with Wyvern did it once and died although we had sword BM not a Barb.

ManeK - Harshlands · May 2010

yeah bh39 is much better than bh51 if you have an organised party

XxRaynaHeart - Sanctuary · May 2010

nakedizabela wrote: »

I have a level 64 Cleric and everyone always tells me to spam Ironheart Blessing, but I honestly don't understand why. If you cast it once and then do it again on the same person the little regeneration icon under their name disappears. Does it have some sort of effect that I'm not aware of? Please explain to me b:surrender

Even though the icon goes away it's continuous heal.

Also I've been feeling like I've been doing a bad job as a cleric lately. Somehow even though I try to do my best someone dies while doing BH 51. Its hard to keep healing 4-5 people

Squad heal.

and at the boss its never continuously one person taking damage it always changes.

Depends on the boss. If it's an AoE boss, everyone in range will get hit. (Squad heal comes in handy here.) If it's not, then the tank isn't doing a very good job of keeping aggro, assuming that since it's not AoE boss the only reason why others are being hit is because they've been stealing aggro (In which case, that person should -gasp- stop attacking and let barb take aggro back.)

I feel like people have been fed up with me or something.

People will be people. Don't take it to heart.

I try my best

That's all we ask for.

but its a little too challenging to do the BH with only me being the only cleric on the squad

In which case either the squad needs some experience on doing their job, or you need a little experience. Either way it isn't really that bad.

and I run out of things to do if there's another cleric.

In which case, beat the cleric to it! Unless the cleric is like super high lvl, you're basically fallback/standby if said cleric gets owned. But in either case don't worry. In BH you'll still get the kill, and that's less mp pots/ mp charm you take up.

Is it some sort of half way transitional period? Am I doing something wrong? Are all clerics like that?

I'll leave this to what I had said above.

Grego - Raging Tide · May 2010

In BH39 you can stay on IH all the time(anything else as needed), but in 51, mainly when you fight the bosses you should alternate with Purify to keep rising up tankers Hp. Left the rest to dead, they know what it means, res others until tank is safe, IH on you and run if you have been attacked (run in tank direction of cause). This advise i recived once and it's help me a lot. Always leave bad squads (if you died twice in a same situation).

Hover_Halo - Archosaur · May 2010

39 is a learning experiences, for all the players. There are some great opportunities for each class to understand how to play their role in a squad setting. And a variety of mob situations to practice on. Its a nice run to learn your character.

51 is just fail. People start getting skills and feeling invincible and tend to wipe whole parties because they think they can do anything. I love it when a (insert class here) wants to tank, even when a perfectly good barb is sitting right in the squad. Tank on your own time, during a BH run learn how to work successfully with others.

One thing you might suggest to your party if they seem to be having problems with regular mobs is to assist attack the barb. Most of the time I see other classes NOT hitting the mob the barb is working on. Of course they are going to aggro that mob.

And yes, spam the heck out of IH at the boss.

Noob - Raging Tide · May 2010

It stacks...you can stack it so much its still healing while the icon is gone too O_O

RedsRose - Lost City · May 2010

IH DOES stack but not over and over and over again....there is a limit and then it starts over. (I maintain it stacks 5 times at the most....don't ask for the math or anything as this has been discussed numerous times in different threads).

I never 100% used IH and still do not. IMO it is good to spam a few if need but one can throw a Wellspring in there after a few IH's, or if they see a quick low in hp, throw in a Wellspring and then continue with IH.

(^ this is more applicable with the lower levels....things change some at higher levels...again, imo)

Axemanek - Heavens Tear · May 2010

lol things change too much at the higher levels...not that i'd know of course :P

RedsRose - Lost City · May 2010

Axemanek - Heavens Tear wrote: »

lol things change too much at the higher levels...not that i'd know of course :P

Not "too much"...at higher levels some things are much easier to heal and others just a pain until you get to know what you are healing for and who you are healing.

Otherwise, at higher levels any decent Cleric should be able to heal anything, including an entire squad, with relative ease.

^ This baring any disaster or whatever...and those do happen...both preventable and non-preventable b:chuckle

Alexcion - Lost City · May 2010

I agree with Red. First IH does stack. Secondly, it isn't the end all, be all heal.. Stack it a couple times then throw a well-spring or some secondary heal depending on the damage being taken. As far as the higher levels changing, I adore Sage IH; yes it costs more mana, but it heals for a higher amount. So, when you get bigger and are really worried about your heals, take into serious consideration what skills you want to get before choosing sage/demon. Finally, the unknown factor of a party.. you know that one or two people who think they can do it all no matter how many times you tell them... if you know some of these people you could just avoid them, because telling them to watch their damage doesn't help. Do your best as you say you are and you will be fine. If you are getting stressed out on an EP, don't... start some DD class for a break from your cleric. Even at low levels you may find this fun. I play the healing class on every game I've ever been on, its just my play type; if this is you, relax and try to enjoy the game as it is and don't worry too much about the idiot beside you, let them die a couple times because of their moronic nature while you are paying attention to those in the squad that are actually doing their jobs, and maybe they will catch on or not squad with you because you let them die... whatever. Its a game, enjoy it.

ManeK - Harshlands · May 2010

yeah right now, IH + wellspring stack is working well for me, and works well in reverse

ILubby - Raging Tide · May 2010

Hmmmm...
There's something I don't understand about stacking IH:
When you for example cast 2 IH then:

a) The amount of HP that you will regain in 15 seconds will be doubled?
b) You will be regaining HP for 30 seconds?

When I asked a higher lvl cleric about it he said it doesn't stack it just when someone has a stronger IH than yours it overwrites.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · May 2010

it doesnt 'stack' like that

1st ih heals some amount of hp in 15s and 2nd ih same amount of hp in 15s - but 2 seconds later

and nobody knows if ih ticks overwrite or overlap on each other, but ofc everyone has own unproven theory about it ;D

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