[ask] light veno

bubble7th
bubble7th Posts: 10 Arc User
edited May 2010 in Venomancer
does anyone can teach me about light veno, is good or bad, because, it's rarely to find the guide


basicly i want to have hightest damage and some p.def and in human mode

i have plan to have

con - 5
str - 94
dex - 94
int - about 340

94 in str and dex is to use Dusk equip lv 90 light armor

thx
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Light armour is generally not well regarded, since if doesn't give all that much pdef and you lose a big chunk of mdef.

    The advantage is that you have higher crit. Round that 94 up to 100 and you have 6% crit even without rings.

    But, well, 6% isn't really all that much. And every little bit of dex and strength you spend wastes points that could be pumping up your damage every shot (rather than the lucky ones) and also improving your heals.

    But, still, what's to say? Every level; 1str, 1dex, 3 magic. And that's your light build. Use foxform a lot more than most people, in order to get the most advantage from that strength.
  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Light's for crits (and pdef at the expense of mdef), not highest damage. Pure mag (1 str, 9 mag per 2 levels) gives highest damage in human form.
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  • bubble7th
    bubble7th Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Light armour is generally not well regarded, since if doesn't give all that much pdef and you lose a big chunk of mdef.

    The advantage is that you have higher crit. Round that 94 up to 100 and you have 6% crit even without rings.

    But, well, 6% isn't really all that much. And every little bit of dex and strength you spend wastes points that could be pumping up your damage every shot (rather than the lucky ones) and also improving your heals.

    But, still, what's to say? Every level; 1str, 1dex, 3 magic. And that's your light build. Use foxform a lot more than most people, in order to get the most advantage from that strength.

    thx for comment

    basicly i'm magic veno and plan to reset to light, because of very low p.def

    do you any suggest for me, to increase p.def??

    and how many p.def is minimum or standart for magic job to handle p.def
    (my p.def is around 1500)
  • bubble7th
    bubble7th Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Light's for crits (and pdef at the expense of mdef), not highest damage. Pure mag (1 str, 9 mag per 2 levels) gives highest damage in human form.

    yes, i agree

    this plan is for handle low p.def b:sad

    there's any suggest for me??

    what do you think better

    full magic eq - with p.def stone

    or

    full light eq - with vit stone
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    To add pdef, use garnets and pdef neck/belt.
    to add hitpoints (also useful) add citrines and refine your armour.

    Light WILL give an increase in pdef - and a reasonable one. But you lose a lot of magic-attack to do it.
  • VenoProwl - Raging Tide
    VenoProwl - Raging Tide Posts: 185 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I'm lvl 45, and I have around 25 vit, the rest into (min) str and everything into mag :)

    vit is just so I don't really get 1-hit by bosses...

    I would recommend imbuing HP shards, rather than Pdef shards - really, you don't really need Pdef- if you aggro'd a mob, you should be able to run away from it pretty easily/ run towards your pet and have the pet poke it.

    Unless they're ranged, and if they're ranged, I find they're usually magic, so...I would use +vit instead of +Pdef.
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I'm lvl 45, and I have around 25 vit, the rest into (min) str and everything into mag :)

    vit is just so I don't really get 1-hit by bosses...

    I would recommend imbuing HP shards, rather than Pdef shards - really, you don't really need Pdef- if you aggro'd a mob, you should be able to run away from it pretty easily/ run towards your pet and have the pet poke it.

    Unless they're ranged, and if they're ranged, I find they're usually magic, so...I would use +vit instead of +Pdef.

    Whilst that is indeed basically true early on - later on you start to meet more and more archers, and - importantly - pdef-based AOE attacks which you can't just run away from.
    Pdef does matter, later on.
  • Rebutia - Harshlands
    Rebutia - Harshlands Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Light armor means that your pet heals are reduced below where they would be for an arcane armor veno, but you have great pdef in fox form, and your fox skills work very nicely with light armor.

    Personally, I would not bother with light armor if I were not playing in fox form. (In fox form you might also think about wearing might rings and perhaps even sharding your weapon with garnets).

    In my opinion, though, if you are not going to be using fox form, you should be wearing arcane armor and looking for gear (and some shards) that add to your physical defense. You might even do that if you use fox form a lot.

    Fox form will also boost your physical defense nicely if you just need the defenses occasionally (like when you lure and when you fight archer monsters -- and remember that archer monsters do half damage to you when you are really close to them).
  • Hhlolz - Harshlands
    Hhlolz - Harshlands Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    LA sucks :)
    And LA doesnt have great pdef -.- basicly arcane veno can have the same pdef with garnet shards LOL
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  • Grounpounder - Dreamweaver
    Grounpounder - Dreamweaver Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I am a big fan of light armor in 2lvls 2str 2dex 5mag 1vit shard armor for evasion and weapon for PD. make armor and stuff with magic bonus and your weapon is close to arcane but u are the most flexable and independant toon in the game have fun!b:pleased

    PS if it says miss miss miss you are doing it right, and if they miss u take no damage.
  • Crescendia - Harshlands
    Crescendia - Harshlands Posts: 805 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Light armor is the worst armor in the game, especially for a magic class. Veno's are exempt because of our versatility to use Magic or melee attacks and wear any class armor in the game, but you can either be a good tank with Heavy armor or be a good damage dealer with Arcane armor. In between, shouldn't be done in my opinion.
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  • Lesthar - Heavens Tear
    Lesthar - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,045 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    My main character is a lv 69 (no jokes please) pure LA veno (caster form only, no added vit), and she is doing great. Crits a go-go, I lose pet aggro quite rarely now (it was because my ice gorilla (glacial walker) uses icicle... I then added bash to his arsenal and it works wonders), my heals are okay and I do not need any sharding. I tend to never rush and chain monsters on a regular rythm.
    For me tactics are the key to winning.

    That said, since monsters at lv 5x, 6x and beyond tend to use magic, I equipped her with arcane gears (yes, robes).

    That said, I very recently created a pure magic veno, but she is at lv 20, so I cannot compare yet.
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I do wish the people who say things like "hurr hurr, you can have as much pdef with shards" would, you know, stop it?

    Do you really expect the other side to just not shard at all?
    Those garnets ad just as much pdef to the light-armour user.


    I'm STILL not a fan of light armour, mind you.
  • Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary
    Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    LA is good for cheap defense up till lvl 90. after then I would restat to arcane with garnets or heavy/arcane build. (this is my last lvl in light armor.)

    xD I see my avatar isn't lvl 89 yet. x.x
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  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    actually its fine to go LA till 7x-8x then restat to AA or w/e build.
    you wont refine or shard your **** AA or LA so LA will have better defence at those low lvls

    ofc if you have lots of golds you can keep LA for crits in pvp but you need much better shards and refines to compensate your loss in defences and hp
  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Light armored venoes are great with being versatile in both fox form and human form. Sharding with Garnets will make their P.DEF skyrocket and having P.DEF in gears, its like they are USING heavy armor while they are using light armor. Endgame, their P.DEF will skyrocket as sage too in fox form b:cute

    Rather LA venoes than HA venoes, but IMO I would of prefer pure VIT because VIT have superior survivability. I'd say, go with it if you feel to use this build, don't take stupid criticism from fail forums, they say one thing, but in the real game, its a whole different story. Although I quit my melee LA veno knowing that venoes are ridiculously easy to play. My daughter have it so easy even against physical mobs/ bosses ... Though she can't solo bosses but she can definitely TANK nicely in arcane robes (it takes stack of P.DEF and VIT in gears)
    LA sucks :)
    And LA doesnt have great pdef -.- basicly arcane veno can have the same pdef with garnet shards LOL

    Says the veno that QQs about sins whooping her and crying OP while she have an OP pet b:laugh
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  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    well Yulk, your highest char is like 3x or maybe 5x who knows so ofc LA has better defences at lower lvls but LA at high lvls with shards and decent ornaments cant beat AA or HA in both defences. if you are about to increase your pdef in LA you wont have enough magic defences (elemental resistance). maybe it doesnt matter much on a pve server but there are still lots of magic mobs/bosses at high lvl.

    i said its a cheap alternative to lvl till 7x-8x but its a very expensive alternative at 9x-100
  • bubble7th
    bubble7th Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    thx for all inputs