GM Response: DQ Mats price change

Blancheneige - Heavens Tear wrote: »

SO price change is in effect and PWI did nothing in the end...

It seems that it's sadly the case. This patch is to me, a complete failure.

Blancheneige - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Of course he did.

His loyalty first goes to his boss, not us the player base. He only did what his boss told him to do.

Boss : Say them something that will calm them down a bit.

Frankie : Yes boss.

I always felt that GMs and Mods were like the consumer service of any company. They are always in the frontline of the battlefield, trying to calm angry consumers down. That said, GMs could not turn the tide on our favor by being mediators on the bottom to top communication (aka GMs to devs).

If I were betting on my character's finances, I would bet that this 2x event is a temporary thing until they can get their real fix deployed.

We have BOI now and soon 2 other new games. All PW games. Those games have to bring in some money too. PWI has brought the money they wanted, now it can die.

Kephras - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That doesn't mean we can't be royally pissed about it.
The DQ drop is a permanent change to the game. It affects everyone who logs in from now until the game dies of mismanagement. A week or two of 2x does not compensate for the entire lifespan of the game. And I think PWE damn well knows it.

Now if Frankie or another GM can chime in here, once the office opens up, and says otherwise - that there will be a permanent adjustment to compensate? Sure. I'll eat my words, my foot, crow, whatever you're serving. But I don't think that's gonna happen.

Nicely said, sir.

Pattoe - Raging Tide wrote: »

I posted this into another thread but see that it has a good place in this thread, this was in response to somebody saying that it's the developers fault for lowering the ability to survive without over-reliance on Gold buying:

A developer's job is to create and maintain the product following the instructions of their management.
The orders will have came from above. I shudder to think this was the marketing department's idea because... I can't see it being great as far as marketing goes.
Its most probably the choice of the financial department to try and encourage sales.

two 20% reductions (not a 40% reduction) of DQ item npc price and this quest [Tiger badge] seem to both be trying to reduce the amount of coin in circulation. The 2 week double exp is likely to be something to take player's minds off of it and to reduce the amount of players who quit the game because of it.

I'm pretty sure the reduction in coin will only encourage more gold sales but to what effect? In the long term coins will become more valuable compared to gold which will drop gold prices and allow more to be bought with coins, therefore balancing the economy again.

Each time PWI does something like this, the prices will even out, they will look different but it should take about the same amount of effort in game or cash out of game (Buying gold) To get specific items.

I haven't been on this game long, however, and am basing much of this post on assumptions that I've made from my own logic and experiences with several over mmorpg's with real life cash markets that I've played in the past.

If anyone could offer some examples proving OR disproving my point, id be grateful.

(I may be wrong and if I am, I don't mind being disagreed with)

Reduction in coins dont encourage more sales. People only sell gold because they get tons of coins per gold. You reduce the gold price you reduce the amount of gold being sold and subsequently purchased.



With that said you reduce the gold price and you make other non-cash shoppers happier. With a 20% reduction they loose purchasing power.




All your assumptions about balancing the economy are totally wrong.



If you need further proof, read one of the 1000+ threads on the "Packs".




The fact they released Tiger Packs with this patch totally discredits your assumption of balance.

no no no no no no!

i hate this patch so much b:angry

the poorest players are now 20% poorer!
Why not take the income from the rich like the land owners or something

Pattoe - Raging Tide wrote: »

I posted this into another thread but see that it has a good place in this thread, this was in response to somebody saying that it's the developers fault for lowering the ability to survive without over-reliance on Gold buying:

A developer's job is to create and maintain the product following the instructions of their management.
The orders will have came from above. I shudder to think this was the marketing department's idea because... I can't see it being great as far as marketing goes.
Its most probably the choice of the financial department to try and encourage sales.

two 20% reductions (not a 40% reduction) of DQ item npc price and this quest [Tiger badge] seem to both be trying to reduce the amount of coin in circulation. The 2 week double exp is likely to be something to take player's minds off of it and to reduce the amount of players who quit the game because of it.

I'm pretty sure the reduction in coin will only encourage more gold sales but to what effect? In the long term coins will become more valuable compared to gold which will drop gold prices and allow more to be bought with coins, therefore balancing the economy again.

Each time PWI does something like this, the prices will even out, they will look different but it should take about the same amount of effort in game or cash out of game (Buying gold) To get specific items.

I haven't been on this game long, however, and am basing much of this post on assumptions that I've made from my own logic and experiences with several over mmorpg's with real life cash markets that I've played in the past.

If anyone could offer some examples proving OR disproving my point, id be grateful.

(I may be wrong and if I am, I don't mind being disagreed with)

I posted this into another thread but see that it has a good place in this thread, this was in response to somebody saying that it's the developers have good ideas for lowering the Gold prices:

If they really want to lower gold prices then they would nerf Best luck tokens and TW pay. The people buying gold from the AH are not the people relying on DQs for their income. The ONLY people I have heard talking about the price of gold since before it went over 200-250k have been TW factions. Y? Because theyre the ones that buy it. But theyre not in the lvl range where dq drops are significant enough. Therefore people that depend on dq as their main source of income will have to infact farm them 25% longer then they are right now.

Did u not read? Frankie said that the reason for the nerf was because of the bot problem on the china servers. The idea that they are doing it to lower gold prices has been concocted in these forums and has been spread so much that evidently people think its true as evidenced by your post.

the game lost its balance last year when they introduced packs the first time. then they put in BH which allows people to level quickly without doing anything other then dailies. because of this people didnt need to kill stuff, so there were fewer dqs being npcd so LESS coin coming in that way. people get to the level where dqs are not significant much faster which again leads to fewer dqs being npcd.

remember ~560mil per week in tw pay pumped into the economy besides the 10mil notes from best luck. Dont tell me that isnt a big factor.

The coin that I create (new coin influx into the economy) has not changed from the first day here. Its mostly from npcing drops like the majority of players. the influx that has changed from day one of the server though is the hundreds of millions from TW and then best luck. that money drives the price up because the amount of money in the system goes up. the prices rise in comparison to the coin available to the people benefitting from that influx. in other words, the rise in numbers is a perceived difference while the actual difference to them is less. The current prices are, in fact, THE PROPER PRICES for the amount of coin coming into the economy from those huge means. this only hurts the non cash non TW people.

You know what.
If i could afford it I would get my alts inventory extensions.
If i could afford it I would get fashion for my toons.
If i could afford it I would get aeorgear for my alts (replaced the stupid cardboard TB wings on my psyb:chuckle).
If i could afford it I would might even buy my alts a mount.

Why does that matter?...that means that PWI is infact LOSING gold because I am not creating demand. And I know there are many more that are the same way.

Lowering DQs will in fact cause less demand for gold in AH even though the prices will NOT change relative to DQ prices as people seem to think. And even if they did, even if they in fact did go down say 15% (factoring in other gear drops) then people will still have to farm the same amount of time they do now for gold if they want it. there would be no change. only a perceived change until people realize that nothing really happened.

Sorry for wall of text.

Kephras - Heavens Tear wrote:

That doesn't mean we can't be royally pissed about it.
The DQ drop is a permanent change to the game. It affects everyone who logs in from now until the game dies of mismanagement. A week or two of 2x does not compensate for the entire lifespan of the game. And I think PWE damn well knows it.

Now if Frankie or another GM can chime in here, once the office opens up, and says otherwise - that there will be a permanent adjustment to compensate? Sure. I'll eat my words, my foot, crow, whatever you're serving. But I don't think that's gonna happen.

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Kephras - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That doesn't mean we can't be royally pissed about it.
The DQ drop is a permanent change to the game. It affects everyone who logs in from now until the game dies of mismanagement. A week or two of 2x does not compensate for the entire lifespan of the game. And I think PWE damn well knows it.

Now if Frankie or another GM can chime in here, once the office opens up, and says otherwise - that there will be a permanent adjustment to compensate? Sure. I'll eat my words, my foot, crow, whatever you're serving. But I don't think that's gonna happen.

Yes, this is all true... and 2x drops are making it even worse. Even though I careless about merchant most of the time, I don't think its really fair for the people trying to sell / buy their mats. I don't think lowering DQ rate would solve the hacking problem on chinese servers, that will make them want to **** for even more DQ items, the devs might as well make the DQ sell for 10 coins each (I'm just joking, hopefully not), at least not even the hackers will try to abuse the DQs. The hackers have to be BANNED, lowering DQ rate is only getting worse.

The only way to compensate this crisis is to actually bring the dq price normal again.

seriously more than half my guild are losing the will to actually play...
us non-extensive cash shoppers...how are we going to survive? what about the people who dont want to cash shop all the time?

doesn't this drop in dq prices lead players to be more dependent on cash shop instead of farming?

why do we have to suffer the failures of the chinese server?

I see DQ is lowered again in response to it's unpopularity. Also did 4 solo runs in TT on 2X's. 2 X's nothing is nothing and that is what I got in mat drops. That was after 40 hrs of grinding for food for my herc. When will they start making this game fun again?
No one can afford pots, repairs, or armor for fb, bh and Dq is out. TT doesn't pay. Guess that just leaves World Quest. And that is no fun at all. QQ I love ths game, or I did until 3 weeks ago. Can't they please repair these exteeme problems.

Well, not sure if it has been covered in the 30 pages of posts here, but why could the -20% DQ drop just be implemented on the Chinese version of PW? Frankie did say that that was the reason the drop had been made, but he also said that it doesn't happen in our version.
Now I'm no game dev, but surely they could have just written the patch for the Chinese game, and instead fixed some bugs on ours? Instead they break more stuff, like macros, and reset all my movement and preferences.

Frankie didn't necessarily lie that this was the reason for the drop, he was probably just going off info given to him by the devs, it is more likely they are the ones that lie to him, and he was just passing on the info.

Thats my rant for the day, have fun in game y'all