Help on watching squad

For mobs, I wouldn't focus on "heal the tank". From what I've seen in BHs, DDs tend not to hold back on mobs, because they die much faster and hit for less than a boss. But also because of that, they won't need more than a wellspring once you realize they got hit. Only IH during mobs if the IH has enough time to kick in; otherwise a Wellspring is much more likely to keep them alive. If they have next to no HP left and you cast an IH, they'll probably die before any of the healing over time kicks in.

For bosses, "heal the tank first" definitely does apply. However, I usually look at his HP via the squad list, not the target on the top of my screen. That way I can see if anyone else is taking damage. I can see out of the corner of my eye if something weird is going on in the screen (like the boss running, which means a ranged DD took aggro), and adjust accordingly.

Another useful thing to do is to keep an eye one which way the mob or boss is facing, they will always look at who they're hitting. Seeing them turn gives you a bit of extra time to react when they start attacking vs only watching the squad window. It may take a bit of practice, but its definitely worth it.

Focus on the fight and use your peripheral vision, glancing at the health bars here and there. If the bars are on the side it is easier to see things while still allowing you to watch whats going on. If a mob starts moving away from the tank or running in a different direction (or as Helr said, turns to face a different direction) you can either tell who its going for or at least have some warning so your ready to heal. Hit Wellspring to heal them fast. Wellspring, IH, repeat until tank gets aggro back.

If I know who its going for I hit them with a Wellspring before the mob gets to them because with channeling the mob usually has already hit them before the heal. For bosses I pay most of my attention to the health bars and when someone else is hit I start healing them. Usually ends well, but you can't always save them.

it would be easier if dds know to spread .. two reckless archers who act like siamese twins will always mean at least charm ticking if not death b:lipcurl

watchin wats going on just by hp bars wont work too well if ppz gets hits for 50% hp

One thing that can be helpful to do is to keep like 1 stack of IH on a DD that has draw aggro 1million times or has a chance to pull aggro. (Unless he dies in 1 or 2 hits...then nvm)

Watch your screen, see what your DDs are doing. See what the bos is doing. Spreading out might be good but make sure you stay in range.

Simplest solution for me would be to BB if theres no interrupt random aggro or AoE

^---- Quite true. Archers are usually better than others [except on wood mobs 0:) so much fun!] about agg, as our auto attack is SOOO slow, and any decent tank can just hit flesh-ream every couple of seconds and agg will be fine. If you have a fist BM who's sparking a lot and is a lvl or two higher than the tank, they could quite possibly steal agg. YELL AT THEM FOR ME!! >:[ At least they can take a hit...
Psychics....if they sound cocky [ie.: stupid], and you have lead, just kick them. :P It has been my experience that nearly all people who play tideborn [especially psychics, unless they started on another class] think they are invinsable, and if they steal agg, it's not that they are over-powerd [and ruined the game...], or that they're stupid because they don't know how to hold back. NO! It's always YOUR [the tank, or cleric] fault!

Thanks for letting me rant.

[on toppic]
From a non-idiotic dd's perspective, "I have pots, his aoe isn't that fast, I'm not stupid enough to get agg, don't worry about me! I'm fine over here. If things get really bad I'll put up winged shell [archer] or hit sutra [blade master], just send in my pet [veno], or use my own heal if there's time [wizard/psychic]. You just keep those ih's stacked on the tank " [notice that I'm letting 'sins die. hehee!!] Basically i'm saying, unless that psychic is having SERIOUS problems ["use WHITE voodoo u fish!"], every dd has a means to compensate/survive the aoe's.
In BH39, only a fail-archer is inside of Farren's aoe, and wizies should also be able to stay out of range. As long as the 'sins aren't idiots and run in, get hit with the aoe and run out, wait for a bit and run in again, get hit again and run out again, [never QUITE making it to the boss btw...] you'll be fine. [sad to say, on RT, one 'sin dies every 5 mintues because of the above-mentioned idiocy]


That was rather rambling, so I will sum it up:
1.) TideBorn ruined the game, and my life. b:cry
2.) Psychics can be stupid. Avoid them like the plague.
3.) We all have ways to stay alive, either built into our class, or learned because of a fail-barb+fail-cleric combo we were forced to endure once. We can survive fine, don't worry so much. b:victory
4.) As I say to clerics when I see them in-game: "We wove wu!!b:heart"

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My _____ are...
Archer: fun
Blademaster: Awesome
Wizard: BIDS. <-- says it all.
Clerics: New, idk yet

LeLelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

I've noticed that sometimes the person taking the most agro is going to be the first one to pick up a poison DOT. I am wondering if it would be worth it to automatically hit this first person with 2 or 3 IH's, even before I know they need it.

it would.

I keep my eyes mostly on the 5 health bars. Have my Ironheart on F5 and never let my finger off that while their fighting (if its a fight that i cant attack or BB) Since my finger is continuously locked on F5 IH all i have to do is click up and down on the hp bars with my mouse >.> saves me **** loads of time. Theres always at least 2-3 pple that need healing so i kinda wait 3sec on tank, switch and do 1sec on one melee, then switch another 1sec heal on the other melee, then back to tank. The IH lags so even if you dont see it cast the second you click on their character, by the time you move on to the next, the previous chara is healed...

As kindof a sidenote that I've facepalmed a few times on, if a cleric gets heal aggro and the tank hasn't noticed/isn't taking care of it I'm (usually) pretty quick to get aggro off the cleric.
PLEASE DON'T HEAL ME.
I run circles around the tank with the mob/s on me until he notices/until I die. I can either take the damage = you don't have to heal, or I can't and you should just let me die to save the cleric.

AmarthUmelda - Raging Tide wrote: »

^---- Quite true. Archers are usually better than others [except on wood mobs 0:) so much fun!] about agg, as our auto attack is SOOO slow, and any decent tank can just hit flesh-ream every couple of seconds and agg will be fine.

[on toppic]
From a non-idiotic dd's perspective, "I have pots, his aoe isn't that fast, I'm not stupid enough to get agg, don't worry about me! I'm fine over here. If things get really bad I'll put up winged shell [archer] or hit sutra [blade master], just send in my pet [veno], or use my own heal if there's time [wizard/psychic]. You just keep those ih's stacked on the tank " [notice that I'm letting 'sins die. hehee!!] Basically i'm saying, unless that psychic is having SERIOUS problems ["use WHITE voodoo u fish!"], every dd has a means to compensate/survive the aoe's.
In BH39, only a fail-archer is inside of Farren's aoe, and wizies should also be able to stay out of range. As long as the 'sins aren't idiots and run in, get hit with the aoe and run out, wait for a bit and run in again, get hit again and run out again, [never QUITE making it to the boss btw...] you'll be fine. [sad to say, on RT, one 'sin dies every 5 mintues because of the above-mentioned idiocy]



3.) We all have ways to stay alive, either built into our class, or learned because of a fail-barb+fail-cleric combo we were forced to endure once. We can survive fine, don't worry so much. b:victory

I have issues with this post.
I haven't noticed archers being better. Or worse. Just depends on the person playing. (except sins...idk how many times I've heard a sin say 'I don't want a BM tank, I'll steal aggro' or 'heal me if I get aggro from the boss" x.x)

Also wiz heal, won't (usually) save me from mob attacks in BH if the tank doesn't get aggro fast, it's too slow channeling, and IMO waste of 2 spark to sautra-heal if you decided to take that route. Like I stated before, I usually run circles around the tank until he notices.

I will say though that in the BH51 I don't need IB for any of the bosses. I can Morning Dew myself + attack. Clerics can keep their eyes on the tank and other DD's.

Okay...I kindof agree with your #3 statement at the end.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

Please don't tell me how to to watch a squad I was playing a healing class for the last 5 years way more harder than this.Does Monk mean anything to you?This is the way I do it although I hate the squad window in this game as I am not in it.Don't tell me how to do my Jop being a lvl 8 BM.

Whoa girl! hold down y'er horses. why take all personally? no need to go ad hominem here.

I thought we were here sharing knowledge. Should've added @OP somewhere in my post I guess... b:surrender

And just cause my avatar is a lvl 8 BM, wich has been deleted long time ago, doesn't mean I don't have other alts or played another classes. Same to you, I've been playing support classes for a long time on many different games.

Also, for me Monk is a barehanded melee DDer with lesser healing skills. Not sure what game you've playing before PW, but at least for L2, D&D, FF among others share this deffinition (Age of conan doesn't have monks). Generally the main support class (buff n' heals) is called either cleric or priest.

Anyways, don't wanna start a flame war. If you wanna say somethin' 'bout what I said concerning how to watch squad, feel free to do it. But please don't start ROARing. Let's keep the fuorum nice and friendy b:cute

Frijolero - Sanctuary wrote: »

Whoa girl! hold down y'er horses. why take all personally? no need to go ad hominem here.

I thought we were here sharing knowledge. Should've added @OP somewhere in my post I guess... b:surrender

And just cause my avatar is a lvl 8 BM, wich has been deleted long time ago, doesn't mean I don't have other alts or played another classes. Same to you, I've been playing support classes for a long time on many different games.

Also, for me Monk is a barehanded melee DDer with lesser healing skills. Not sure what game you've playing before PW, but at least for L2, D&D, FF among others share this deffinition (Age of conan doesn't have monks). Generally the main support class (buff n' heals) is called either cleric or priest.

Anyways, don't wanna start a flame war. If you wanna say somethin' 'bout what I said concerning how to watch squad, feel free to do it. But please don't start ROARing. Let's keep the fuorum nice and friendy b:cute

Sharing knowledge doesn't mean quoting my post like I don't know what I am doing

You avatar then where are the ones with your alts on them?

Monks are dders and if you want to know what game google it.

I am not starting flame war as you quoted my post which it didn't quoting and btw that other game this is how 90% of the players play it which it is harder to play.You started this by quoting my post which it look like yo trying to give me advice on in which case i don't need.

Less QQ, more debate.

Any comments concerning what this low level, no healing class posted about how to be a good squad watcher?

Otherwise, feel free to regurgitate your rage on me thruought a PM.

Please lets keep the Clerics furoum QQ/rage free. Tank you b:thanks

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

It is always best to watch the battle field and not to much time looking at the sqd window


No. A good Cleric will have their eyes on the squad window at least 50% of the time, to watch for debuffs, or so you can more accurately deduce who is getting hit if there is a group of mobs/players and you can't see who has aggro.


and always best to precast IH on the Barb and anyone else who can use it.


No. Pre-casting IH on anyone could lead to you getting heal aggro, which CAN lead to party wipe. A good Cleric will wait for the player who is getting hit to grab aggro (actually hit/damage the mob) before casting. Unless of course you cast/stack a couple IH's on the player prior to them going into the aggro range of mobs.


When dealing with poison or fire always best to purify every other cast.


No. It's definitely not best to purify every other cast as most debuff mobs don't cast said debuffs in that cycle. It's generally 2-3 IH's THEN purify, but you must use discretion as it's not always the same, as you seem to suggest. Melee tanks need to be purified a hell of a lot less than ranged/magic players, as melee players will get hit physically, with a side of debuff(s), and a ranged/magic player will get hit every time with a debuff whenever the mob/boss attacks.


Don't forget to look at your radar minimap.


Okay, you got me here, it's useful to look at your minimap, but only if you have show monsters/players toggled on.

You keep saying "it's always best [yadda yadda]". That is not true. Sure, a lot of instances that could/would work, but no situation is always the same.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

That is why I didn't quote anyone post untill you quoted me like I didn't know what I was talking about.


But it's fairly obvious that you don't. At least, not to the extent you seem to think.


I then quoted you back saying I sure do know what I am talking about after playing another healing profession for 5 years.



What surprises me is the fact that you've supposedly been playing a healing class for 5 years, and yet you are STILL doing it wrong.

There was no need for you to jump the gun on Frijolero like you did. Especially after he calmly explained he was remarking/adding on your post, not criticizing it.


Seems to me that you take offense to such trivial things, suggesting that you are insecure about your playstyle or yourself.

LeLelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

I see that I spend a lot of time with my eyes glued to the health display. Sometimes its the only way you can tell what is going on.

its VERY important for you too watch the battle too, otherwise exspcially in lower lvls where alot of barbs just dont care or know about it, youll end up getting heal aggro when the person that actuall needs heals has a few mobs on them and doesnt bother about attacking more than 1. you need too watch the battle too see if you can actually heal safe.

i look at side bar mostly focusing on the tanker. but sometime see if other DDs are taking agro.. shot a few wellspring on them

tukiyem wrote: »

Mysti said : and always best to precast IH on the Barb and anyone else who can use it.


Nex said : No. Pre-casting IH on anyone could lead to you getting heal aggro, which CAN lead to party wipe. A good Cleric will wait for the player who is getting hit to grab aggro (actually hit/damage the mob) before casting. Unless of course you cast/stack a couple IH's on the player prior to them going into the aggro range of mobs.


I said : Thats what Mysti means by precasting IH Sins! No good cleric will precast IH while the tank run to the mobs, it must be BEFORE tank runs to the mobs.....

Do you know what precasting is in another rpg we call it preprotecting and it won't attract aggro if it is lvled enough?It is casting it on before the battle starts and most soloing clerics do this.If you read my post I said to watch the battle field as if it safe to precast.I mean Barb or BM not a Sin.