So, some people complain...

I left my veno for a cleric. Veno is just a boring class to me.

Clerics can be very versatile. You can heal, buff, debuff, DD, solo some of the time and tank here and there. I love the cleric skills and I've always found healing in squads fun as well as DDing and debuffing. If you don't mind using pots and herb hunting often then its a good class. I found that having a mild vit build works well if you don't want to be too squishy. I left mine at 30, and still have a good magic build. As for making friends, it might get annoying because everyone adds you and everyone pms you for help ^^. Its probably better then being ignored though.

Welcome to the world of MMO"RP"Gs, young padawan.

You've basically picked the two classes that couldn't be any more different. The general MMO"RP"G template for summoners seems to be the class that can handle all normal monsters, but sucks at bosses. The cleric, on the other hand, is the nice support guy.

The "can handle normal monsters" aspect of a Summoner tends to come at a price, though: you can tank, and you can damage. Meaning, in a world where things add up to 100%, you'll be 50% tank and 50% damage. Which in turn means a "pure" damage dealer is better at dealing damage, and a pure tanker is better at tanking. Guess where that puts you when it comes to boss-running parties? You can't tank the boss, and the DD classes outdamage you. From what I hear, Hercules CAN tank at least some bosses (at a reasonable level --- I can tank low level bosses, sure, but why would anyone care about those?), which is why people basically tell you to get a Herc or to get lost.

Which was to be expected. MMO"RP"Gs are cutting down on the soloable classes. And in fact, you even said it yourself: you started a Veno for better soloing. I don't know how well other classes do soloing normal monsters, but that's what you made and that's what you got --- a solo class.

Clerics are needed --- no bossrunning party is going to leave the house without one. Maybe even two. Or three, if they can get that many. Or how about 4? Can't have enough of these; too bad you can't run with more than 7 (after all, somebody still has to do some real work...).

ive kinda noticed that alot of 'attentive' pple tend to be successful in cleric soloing and such... others who tend to think about other things or watch multiple things end up having a hard time...

I used to like my cleric a lot because I could purify poison and other status effects, heal myself without hp pots, etc. But now, it seems to be the most not so pvp friendly class.

Bramble is probably one of the most effective buffs to use during pvp because it deflects some of the physical attacks you get and hits the enemies..I think..

I actually left my cleric to play a veno, and these are my reasons :

1) Cleric was really squishy and tho I had lots of buffs to keep me alive, I died a lot because with a cleric (unless you have a lot of vitality) 1 hit from a mob can change a lot, and usually I just healed myself when it was too late already. And even if I didn’t die, I had to meditate a lot.

2) Everyone expected me to heal them and buff them and demanded that I had revive and buff skills maxed, and when I said I didn't, I got insulted and yelled at. I never maxed my res tho (cleric is lvl 80) but I maxed my buffs just because they are useful to me. I just got sick of being there for everyone else any time they said so.

3) It was hard to do practically anything alone, I needed a squad, or at least a barb (good thing I had a really good friend then, tho he barely logs in these days, but he helped me a lot and was always there for me) and I couldn't solo almost any bosses.

Although cleric is a very fun and interesting class to play, I still like venos better.
After reading you post I assume that we're completely opposite people, you like being helpful and squading with others, buffing and healing them and all that. I like soloing stuff that others can't do alone, I hate helping anyone else unless I get to do all the work myself. But I love to solo bosses for low level newbies who ask for help on world chat. So as you can see, squading with others doesn't really work too good for me. Even as a veno I haven't got any helping skills like bramble (that's lvl2 actually) or Lending Hand, because I'm not that kind of a person who wastes her money on something that isn't useful to me, only to others. And as I have a Herc, I do almost everything exept BHs alone.

But I have to agree with you on that some people believe that venos are useless without Hercs. That's really annoying actually, because I know many venos who are over level 90 and don't have a Herc but manage well with everything. I didn't get one because other people told me to, but just for me only. And tho it took a month of farming every day, and that's like the most boring thing I've ever done, I'm glad that I did, because it's really fun in my opinion. I haven't met too many people who insist on getting a Herc before they take anyone to their squad so it isn't a big problem, I only join squads who don't ask me if I have a Herc (so what if I do, it just annoys me). Most things you can do with a Magmite or Walker as well as with a Herc, but there are certain things you can only do with a Herc.

I suggest you should just go with the class that you find more entertaining and fun to play, but I must add that playing a veno is so much more than as you said, "spamming heal on your pet all the time". If you know how to play your veno, you can be as good tank as a bm (maybe not as good as a barb) and also as good DD as a wiz. And that's because you don't need a cleric to stay alive, like everyone else, you're a tank and a healer in 1 person, which is quite great

I have one character in every class, and each class has its perks and downfalls.
I see you're only level 12, so you havent gotten to BH level where the squad blames you if someone dies or someone's charm ticks. Every single class gets harped on for various things when in squad.
No class is better or worse than any other except according to your game play. I personally love my cleric, but it may just be because she's level 70 and my alts are level 30 and below. Only time will tell if I still like my cleric when my other characters are BH level.

good idea Mysti!
back in the day I just got a wiz as my bf, and he opened an anni pack and got some crazy gear! sold it and gave me some money

Elisarya - Sanctuary wrote: »

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1: Spells are not really delightful-looking and tend to be boring after a short while.
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You're going to like using plume shot a lot then.

Elisarya - Sanctuary wrote: »

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(Had a Barb yelling at me for giving him Bramble, lol?)
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Are you sure that wasn't the cleric?

Elisarya - Sanctuary wrote: »

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I really would be fond to keep my Squad alive and offer them those very pretty and useful Buffs!
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And your squad will very much love you for it.

Elisarya - Sanctuary wrote: »

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No matter how much the overall Skills would cost me.
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Thats easy to say right now.

Elisarya - Sanctuary wrote: »

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I think Clerics are simply awesome
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You have to love the character you are playing. You also have to be cut out for it. I myself am starting to wonder if I chose incorrectly.

Best of luck to you.

i firstly rolled a BM, loved it!
then my mate suggested we re-roll on another server, so i agreed and made a cleric this time.. and i'll admit, there have been times where i wanted to go back to my bm, but once i kill a bm in pvp, it once again opens my eyes to the great power that lies with the clerics

I have both a Veno and Cleric (though the difference in lvl is like 20, but nvm that :P)

Being a cleric is not as great all the times. Sure, you can get in a lot of squads, you don't have to meditate or use hp pots since you can just heal yourself and we can do a decent amount of damage.
But if someone dies in a squad, you're the one they're gonna yell at. Most of the time it'll be the Clerics fault if someone dies, even if it's an ignorant **** that runs out of your range and tries to kill some mobs. We also have a low income. You'll spend much money on mp pots and skills.

If you have a right build, you can solo pretty much. Most of the time when i have to kill a boss I don't have to ask anyone to help me. If you know how to play your cleric you can do pretty much things alone. Not as much as a Veno of course, but it's possible

I have a vit build (and i love it), but if i have to kill a mob that's my lvl it can hit me pretty hard, so if you do have a charm, it can tick.

We have 4/5 skills we're mainly using. Those are Plumeshot, Cyclone, Wield Thunder, Ironheart (and Purify once you get to the debuffing bosses). Though you make a different movement with most of this skills, it gets pretty boring to look at after a while (it never gets boring to look at tempest though b:dirty)

So in the end, the only thing i can say is: Play both classes and decide. I'd recommend playing your veno for moneymaking and transfer the money to your cleric as you'll need it ^^

I've got a Cleric and Veno, these are two great classes which could be helpful at times and independent. Whenever I get tired of my Cleric or have nothing else to do I switch to my Veno and that's why I enjoy playing them both and never get bored of them.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

ive kinda noticed that alot of 'attentive' pple tend to be successful in cleric soloing and such... others who tend to think about other things or watch multiple things end up having a hard time...

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

You could always still use your Veno to make coin as Clerics need it.

thats what i plan to do